Bangladesh's GDP per capita has crossed Pakistan's GDP per capita

[bluesky]

^ Furthermore, Bangladesh needs to understand that Pakistan is in full support of a strong and independent Bangladesh who do not need to take dictation from Modi at anytime. If they are prosperous, it works in our favor as it brings stability in the region.

PS: All we want is India to be divided and then subdivided again.

BD certainly does not take dictate from Modi. We have no war with India like Pakistan has. India has accepted the Hague tribunal verdict on the Bay of Bengal demarcation. It has also given us more land while exchanging enclaves. BD people are not that stupid to bite the hands of a country that extends friendship.

We have a different psycho comparing to Pakistan. Bangali Muslims fought for creating Pakistan because they wanted peace with their Hindu neighbors. So, my question is why Pakistan has to quarrel with India when it has a big chunk of land in comparison to its population in 1947? Peace means progress and development.

 

[Mage]

@kavita is woman's name....☺



Bangladesh had such showcase cities and planned suburbs, although on a smaller scale spread around Dhaka. We don't really believe in elitist culture, though we do have it. It is nowhere near that practiced in Pakistan. Having a showcase city for politicians is pointless if it doesn't produce anything but heated conversation about how to share the spoils, instead of doing actual good. Like the U.N. mandated millennium goals for health education etc. Which is being planned by our NGOs like Grameen and BRAC. But not to worry, we are training activists from India and Pakistan too, so you can have social equality one day.

The famous second capital city in Dhaka (Sher-e-Bangla Nagar) was designed prior to Islamabad, but is smaller, because the budget was later diverted to Islamabad as one poster explained. There are model towns in Dhanmandi, Banani and Gulshan as well as newer ones at Baridhara and Bashundhara that has infrastructure, houses and condo complexes rivalling anything in Pakistan or even Europe for that matter.

But over time - business, housing and commercial needs have eroded the fundamental single-family housing structure of these model towns, so that all now consist of seven to eight story high rise luxury condo units. For lower income housing, Dhaka has over two hundred plus twenty story high rise complexes, a la Singapore's NTU flat schemes. Some were built by the govt.

I have listed all these in my Bangladesh midrise architecture thread here,

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNFBx2CEzTJFCVeIsSY-tmM3ZmEgkA

Some glimpses of older Dhaka structures, various urban conurbations within Dhaka and one of the newest at the end,

Banani model town,

Hatirjheel,

Parliament building Sher-e-Bangla nagar

Paltan area near Matijheel Downtown


Dilkhusha Commercial Area


by ASaber91, on Flickr

Gulshan

Shahbagh

Nirjhor residential area

SENA MALANCHA Auditorium

Was waiting whemn you'd started posting these, Bilal bhai. Good job.



Anyone saying Dhaka is nowhere near Karachi needs reality check.
https://web.archive.org/web/2011050...ibrary/downloadMedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=1562

This is a nice pdf file comparing economies of cities. Anyone has some interest should go through it. Very informative. For impatient bunch check the last three page rankings. Dhaka 77th place and Karachi 78th as of 2007. Anyone who thinks Karachi did better than Dhaka in last 10 years should check the growth rate of the cities.

Also projection of 2025, Karachi in 57 with 193 bn (ppp) and Dhaka in top 50 (48th) with 215 bn(ppp)
Considering that Pakistan's nominal is multiplied with a higher value compared to BD to get the PPP so don't even compare the nominal


To see some highrises in Dhaka please visit this thread. Most pics are of Dhaka here

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/urban-development-in-bangladesh.393850/

 

[Canuck786]

Are you saying, "Why can't we all get along"
Rodney Glen King (April 2, 1965 – June 17, 2012)

You are very naive and thus should do further research to understand Pakistan's Position.

 

[Baby Leone]

OMG every one jumping like monkeys specially indians and Bagladeshis without even bothering to figure out the real data. BTW the wet dreams are over and lets see the reality

 

[bluesky]

OMG every one jumping like monkeys specially indians and Bagladeshis without even bothering to figure out the real data. BTW the wet dreams are over and lets see the reality

So, can you tell us, the keyboard jumping monkeys, about the specifics of the real data? we will appreciate that.

 

[Bilal9]

Bangladesh is still a sea of human misery as is India, the bhoka nanga bangali is still there, as are the 650 million Indian who don't have toilets

Pakistan's undocumented economy is not an excuse it's real, not every one discloses their full income and that something we need to fix

But nobody in Pakistan looks up to either train track defecating Indian or the bhooka nanga bangali as some inspiration

People are living better lives in Pakistan as compared to India or Bangladesh

Making fun of or having hate for poor people (or people different than oneself) indicates lower class trait and behavior.

Labeling whole countries as bhooka nanga is the same. And immature on top of that. ☺

Those having any measure of khandaan or education do not speak badly of others.

Most Pakistanis I have met are shorter and darker than I am, by the way.

Strange that some people boast about these physical traits.

Chalk it up to lack of education....or exposure.

By the way - Wikipedia says you are more backward than us. Who should we believe?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Asia

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/194655-UN-ranks-Pakistan-147-on-Human-Development-Index

There should be no ego between brothers, and brothers don't call each other bhooka nanga.

 

[Species]

GDP of Karachi is bigger than Dhaka and Lahore is miles better than Chittagong in any category hands down .

These are empty comments dude.

As for Islamabad whats stopping Bangladesh from planning such a developed city ? . We can be proud of the fact that we have a city that is of international standard in any criteria . Its not a small city total population is 2 million these days what makes it great is the planning and precision .

It's about priority. Pakistan felt the need to built a brand new capital city when the security of Karachi got exposed during the 1965 Indo-Pak war. Consequently, funds from other development sectors were diverted to build Islamabad. Same thing happened in Burma when they feared a naval invasion in 2007 and moved to build a new city in the central part of the country, to shift their capital from the coastal city of Yangon. If we want, we can do the same thing and build a brand new, modern, well-planned city but Dhaka is already well-suited as the capital, situated right in the middle of the country.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

It's about priority. Pakistan felt the need to built a brand new capital city when the security of Karachi got exposed during the 1965 Indo-Pak war. Consequently, funds from other development sectors were diverted to build Islamabad. Same thing happened in Burma when they feared a naval invasion in 2007 and moved to build a new city in the central part of the country, to shift their capital from the coastal city of Yangon. If we want, we can do the same thing and build a brand new, modern, well-planned city but Dhaka is already well-suited as the capital, situated right in the middle of the country.

Islamabad was built mostly by tax+export money looted from than East Pakistan.Sheikh Mujib complained about this.

 

[Species]

Islamabad was built mostly by tax+export money looted from than East Pakistan.Sheikh Mujib complained about this.

True. Islamabad is still a beautiful city but calling it a 'major city' or 'big city' is really a superfluous assertion.

 

[Bilal9]

when Bangladesh decided to split off from Pakistan, it had a goal to justify the split.... and for that reason alone, Bangladesh needs to develop its independent defence production capabilities.... Pakistan is far ahead of Bangladesh right now in that field.... and I think Bangladesh deserves to get much closer to Pakistan if that split justification of four decades back need to be held high...

like it or not, if Bangladesh needs to justify its split from Pakistan, the local defence industry needs to get a rapid boost..... no "Shushil" stance in this regard cannot be justified....

Brother you have my 100% support in this. 100% ToT needed on ALL new defense projects, especially those for the Navy.

 

[Khan_21]

Was waiting whemn you'd started posting these, Bilal bhai. Good job.



Anyone saying Dhaka is nowhere near Karachi needs reality check.
https://web.archive.org/web/2011050...ibrary/downloadMedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=1562

This is a nice pdf file comparing economies of cities. Anyone has some interest should go through it. Very informative. For impatient bunch check the last three page rankings. Dhaka 77th place and Karachi 78th as of 2007. Anyone who thinks Karachi did better than Dhaka in last 10 years should check the growth rate of the cities.

Also projection of 2025, Karachi in 57 with 193 bn (ppp) and Dhaka in top 50 (48th) with 215 bn(ppp)
Considering that Pakistan's nominal is multiplied with a higher value compared to BD to get the PPP so don't even compare the nominal


To see some highrises in Dhaka please visit this thread. Most pics are of Dhaka here

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/urban-development-in-bangladesh.393850/

https://www.forbes.com/pictures/edgl45fdlj/no-1-dhaka-bangladesh/#351cbfd15f27

GDP per capita
Karachi $3500
Dhaka $3100

Asian Green city Index has Karachi's GDP per capita at $5400 .

As for Skyscrapers Dhaka only has 5 100 meter plus while Karachi has 15 (It experienced a surge in Highrise recently) including the 280 Meter bahria icon that is about to finish .

By the way - Wikipedia says you are more backward than us. Who should we believe?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Asia

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/194655-UN-ranks-Pakistan-147-on-Human-Development-Index

There should be no ego between brothers, and brothers don't call each other bhooka nanga.

I can name you 20 Indexes in Quality of Life where Pakistan is comfortably ahead . Unlike Bangladesh , Pakistan doesn't fall in the LDC category .

https://www.un.org/development/desa/dpad/least-developed-country-category.html

According to United Nations its people are also much more Happier than Bangladesh by a huge Margin .

http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2017/

Pakistan 80
Bangladesh 110

These are empty comments dude.



It's about priority. Pakistan felt the need to built a brand new capital city when the security of Karachi got exposed during the 1965 Indo-Pak war. Consequently, funds from other development sectors were diverted to build Islamabad. Same thing happened in Burma when they feared a naval invasion in 2007 and moved to build a new city in the central part of the country, to shift their capital from the coastal city of Yangon. If we want, we can do the same thing and build a brand new, modern, well-planned city but Dhaka is already well-suited as the capital, situated right in the middle of the country.

Its not just Islamabad , Lahore is just as good in terms of cleanliness and infrastructure . It's orange line is about to finish and already boosts Malls that can rival those in KL and Bangkok (Search for Emporium and Packages ) . Its not a surprise as our middle class is much bigger .

I would suggest you to first build a proper road system in the country rather than going for complicated things like Planned Cities . Take a leaf out of how well we build expressways .

Can you give any source of Karachi GDP being higher than Dhaka? In 2008, according to PwC,both cities had gdp ppp 78 billion dollar.But since than, Karachi discriminated, decayed while Dhaka was part of the higher growth of BD.Anybody will guess,Dhaka now have bigger GDP than Karachi.

And for Lahore and Chittagong comparison.According to my previous reference, Lahore has a population of 9 million and Chittagong has 4.6 million.That PwC, 2008 estimate put Lahore gdp ppp at 40 billion dollar and Chittagong at 24 billion dollar.But I think this gap has narrowed now in favor of Chittagong as Bangladesh narrowed gap with Pakistan with higher economic growth.Chittagong have highest per capita income in BD.Lahore may have shiny roads as most of the Punjab budget is spend there to build road infrastructure,But Chittagong have higher economic turnout than Lahore as it has a lot of industry and trade.And Chittagong is going to be one of the biggest economic center in South Asia in coming years with massive exclusive economic zone,deep sea port, trade, commerce and industry with one of the top 10 fastest growing urban center in the world.
Where Are the World’s Fastest-Growing Cities?
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/world-fastest-growing-cities/
Big investment move for Chittagong hub
http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2017/01/16/59283/Big-investment-move-for-Ctg-hub/print

Are you sure Chittagong is comparable to Lahore ? You are free to check out the Expressways , BRT's , Shopping Malls , Architecture of Lahore and then compare those to Chittagong . Any Foreign Company that comes to South Asia comes to Lahore first rather than Any Bangladeshi city . Uber , Burger King , Johnny Rockets you name any Foreign Brand and they are available in Lahore , I cannot say the same for any Bangladeshi city . They must have seen something in Lahore which they don't see in Bangladesh .

True but let me remind you that BD GDP/capita is growing at 6% a year now. This is unheard of by S Asian standards.
India is growing at similar rates but this is only after Modi came into power in 2014 and did his accounting trick, which has many organistations doubting Indian GDP growth figures

BD is rapidly growing it's way out of poverty and infrastructure is being built up rapidly as well.

Majority of your posts are for the future and we all know how good Bangladesh is in implementing Projects . We have been hearing about Dhaka orange line since decades and Lahore will already have one in few months (Its about to Finish) . We also have been hearing about how BD is going to build those expressways. Any neutral guy that comes to Pakistan and Bangladesh can see the clear cut difference between the two . You might want to see the Bahria Towns in Pakistan . Its something that Bangladesh might not even have in 20-25 years .

The fact remains that you are still an LDC , Foreign Companies are not visible in your country for the very same reason . Our Income/wealth per capita is much higher also the poverty rates are lower in Pakistan . Unless you take over that your posts will remain an empty fantasy about how Bangladesh is building those padma bridges when Pakistan already has finished projects similar to them

 

[Bilal9]

Couple of weeks ago I wrote in another thread that my impression of Bangladesh is that it's a confused nation living in the past.
The comments so far only prove me right.

Bangladesh was part of Pakistan for 24 years till it separated in 1971. And even 46 years since "independence", Pakistan continues to be your benchmark? Why are you still stuck in the past, don't you have an identity of your own? Your own goals to pursue regardless of Pakistan? You should be competing with your blood brothers in West Bengal or your neighbors and trying to match or surpass their growth and living standard. No one in Pakistan cares if Bangladesh has or has not surpassed anything related to us, not even if you surpass Switzerland or USA in living standards, good for you. Stop playing a victim and be proud of your achievements. A few dollars more is nothing to brag about, SA as a whole is a mess, one of the poorest regions of the world and we are comparing who's the best of the worst? Shame on you!

I am younger than most of you, less experienced and less educated on geopolitics but even I would not dare compare the dynamics of BD and Pakistan for last two decades. BD is a homogenous society, situated in a rather peaceful neighborhood compared to Pakistan which is surrounded by hostile nations. We are at war for decades yet we continued to develop at slow pace, our GDP never shrunk despite heavy sanctions, mega financial and energy crisis, water scarcity or terrorist attacks. In the mean time we developed a powerful army, a robust weapon industry, state of the art weapon systems including nuclear missiles and several industrial platform to build upon such as IT, textiles, pharmaceuticals etc.
Our geopolitical importance is such that none of the superpowers dare to dance to the tones of the dancing monkey Modi who loves to humiliate himself and his nation by even asking the powers isolate us. But all he gets is a middle finger over and over again.

Pakistan will change its CPI base next year, bring in the informal sector and add up to the GDP which will probably put us on the top again, well ahead of India and Sri Lanka.

BD, you are a small and young country, there's a lot to be done and whatever you achieve, it should be for your own people. So grow prosperous and be a model like Singapore, South Korea or China but please for the love of God, don't come to this forum bragging about a few dollars you may or may not have surpassed us with. We simply don't care. We have moved on, so should you.

Good points all but you are not entirely correct about BD being a 'young nation', it may be young in name but our traditions and values of poetry, literature, architecture and civil discourse are not new. And some might find your patronizing attitude about Bangladesh a bit off-putting. Pakistan needs to learn quite a bit from Bangladesh about civil society, human rights, human development and lessons learned in the last forty years with our NGOs. We can help you.

Our politicians were the major movers and shakers who formed the idea of Pakistan to start with, along with Jinnah. Skilled administrators like Suhrawardy, Sher e Bangla Fazlul Huq and Sir Khawaja Nazimuddin were all from East Pakistan. Had civil politics continued in Pakistan, instead of the culture of coups, counter-coups and general control of Pakistani administration by the Fauji industrial complex by the likes of Yahya, Bhutto and successive 'strongmen' and overdependence on foreign aid, Pakistan would have been a far more prosperous state than India, meaning per capita GDP wise.

All of us have moved on beyond 1971, so finger pointing is rather pointless. But getting the historical perspective on events leading up to 1971 is important. It tells you about the selfish mis-steps taken by Yahya, Bhutto, et al. And lessons learned, to be avoided in the future if possible.

 

[Khan_21]

If Bangladesh can have anything remotely similar to Bahria towns in Pakistan even in 20-25 years time I will be a happy man . For Bangladeshi posters Bahria town is the housing society available in major cities of Pakistan for middle class citizen . Everything from Golf courses to theme parks to world class hospitals is inside there .

Karachi Bahria Town

Under construction Theme Park

Bahria Town Lahore

Bahria town Islamabad


Cinema

Bahria Golf City

Owning a house in Bahria town is not that expensive and it isn't a place for the elite . Middle Class Pakistani can buy a house here . Its the brainchild of Malik Riaz a Billionaire in Pakistan . But you don't have such world class living places because all your billionaires are busy taking the money away from Bangladesh .

 

[Bilal9]

Any Foreign Company that comes to South Asia comes to Lahore first rather than Any Bangladeshi city . Uber , Burger King , Johnny Rockets you name any Foreign Brand and they are available in Lahore

I did not know that having Uber, Burger King , Johnny Rockets in a city constitutes progress. Not only are these present in our major cities, there are other international brands present too. I find this disconcerting when we cannot start services like uber ourselves, yet think of having them siphon money out of our economies to be 'investments'. I also don't think having foreign burger joints or beverage brands like coke is necessary for us in South Asia. Maybe we can manage fast food and hygiene better, but who needs to pay franchise fees to these idiots? Not worth it. Flipping burgers and carbonating drinks is not rocket science.

The fact remains that you are still an LDC , Foreign Companies are not visible in your country for the very same reason . Our Income/wealth per capita is much higher also the poverty rates are lower in Pakistan . Unless you take over that your posts will remain an empty fantasy about how Bangladesh is building those padma bridges when Pakistan already has finished projects similar to them

Bangladesh remains an LDC because we planned it that way, it helps trade. No one is arguing that some in Pakistan may have a better life. Its possible. One can build Bahria towns of course, but over 65% of Karachi dwellers live in slums. Orangi happens to be the largest slum town in South Asia. Areas like Manghopir, Afghan basti, Pehlwan Basti have become havens for criminals. Over 65% of Karachi dewellers live in slums. Can we wish these away and pretend that Pakistan has now become a first world state? I say this not to deride Pakistan but out of concern - hiding head in the sand will only exacerbate the problems, not solve them.

Statistics from the World Bank and the UN don't lie. Those are real and we should acknowedge them as issues, and not be in denial about them.

 

[Mage]

https://www.forbes.com/pictures/edgl45fdlj/no-1-dhaka-bangladesh/#351cbfd15f27

GDP per capita
Karachi $3500
Dhaka $3100

Asian Green city Index has Karachi's GDP per capita at $5400 .

Compare Dhaka's population with that of Karachi. It's evident that Dhaka has a bigger economy than Karachi or any Pakistani city. Much bigger if you compare in nominal term.


Also happiness index.......impressive I guess. Look at terrorism or peace index. Or homicide rate if you want to measure useless stats.


BD is a LDC because we like the benefits we get being a LDC. We'll probably graduate from LDC status by 2021.


How pathetic Pakistan might be if they are doing worse than a LDC in so many sectors.