Bangladesh wants enhanced rail link with India

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

When even hardly any bangladeshi news paper published such news with such title ... why this bharti newspaper are publishing this type of misleading information to give the impression that it is bd who is seeking this rail line link not India but every one knows it is meant to provide free transit to India... All contracts related transit to India should be stopped by any means if it is free and without any benefit for bangladesh... Bd government should scarp the deal free transit to nepal and bhutal in return giving bhartis the same... It should be based on duty on both side as bharatis will transport couple of times more product to NE India... then bd's transportation to nepal and bhtan... N AL government should stop these bharti appeasement deals and bowing to this bhartis ... I hope they have got their message in the mayor election what the people of bangladesh want and why they did not vote for them.

Only if you knew that the rail links mentioned in the original post are meant for Bangladesh-Nepal transit through India and not Indian transit to Bangladesh.

Read my 3rd post of this thread...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...nts-enhanced-rail-link-india.html#post1505920

 

[Roybot]

Read my 3rd post of this thread...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...nts-enhanced-rail-link-india.html#post1505920

Yeah what about it?

When even hardly any bangladeshi news paper published such news with such title ... why this bharti newspaper are publishing this type of misleading information to give the impression that it is bd who is seeking this rail line link not India but every one knows it is meant to provide free transit to India

I explained to you why Indian and Bangladeshi media has different titles. Even then both countries news carried the same info, just different headings. And they are not trying to mislead anyone anyways, it is infact Bangladesh who is seeking this particular rail link and not India.

All contracts related transit to India should be stopped by any means if it is free and without any benefit for bangladesh... Bd government should scarp the deal free transit to nepal and bhutal in return giving bhartis the same... It should be based on duty on both side as bharatis will transport couple of times more product to NE India... then bd's transportation to nepal and bhtan...

How do you know that India will be transporting more goods than say Bangladesh to Nepal, Bhutan and India? In the case of India, India will only be moving goods from India to India, however in your case there will be movement of goods from Nepal,Bhutan into Bangladesh and vice versa. Not only that, Nepal and Bhutan wants to use the ports in Bangladesh for exports which will increase the earnings of your port authority. And who knows if things in the region go smoother in the future this rail link could be joined with the Chinese network into Nepal.


Are you really this fickle minded or you just put this on specifically to show your hatred towards India and AL?

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Yeah what about it?



I explained to you why Indian and Bangladeshi media has different titles. Even then both countries news carried the same info, just different headings. And they are not trying to mislead anyone anyways, it is infact Bangladesh who is seeking this particular rail link and not India.


How do you know that India will be transporting more goods than say Bangladesh to Nepal, Bhutan and India? In the case of India, India will only be moving goods from India to India, however in your case there will be movement of goods from Nepal,Bhutan into Bangladesh and vice versa. Not only that, Nepal and Bhutan wants to use the ports in Bangladesh for exports which will increase the earnings of your port authority. And who knows if things in the region go smoother in the future this rail link could be joined with the Chinese network into Nepal.


Are you really this fickle minded or you just put this on specifically to show your hatred towards India and AL?

Stop all of your bigotry and bringing anti india and AL issue... even economic advier to hassina has raised question about the transit... only some bharati dalal are supporting this transit... Under present format of transit there are many loop holes and this free transit will only serve the interest of the bhartis... n recently according to one bharti news papaer this move by mashiur rahman is foolish... they tried to describe it in the following manner...



While cross-border issues require urgent attention from both sides, recent developments in Dhaka suggest that some officials may be trying to cut at the roots of the new initiative in India-Bangla relations. As reported in the Bangladesh media, Dr. Moshiur Rahman, Economic Advisor to Prime Minister Sk. Hasina, had written a letter to Commerce Minister Faruk Khan, requesting a reassessment of the entire effect of granting transit facility to India, Nepal and Bhutan. In the same letter Dr. Rahman also suggested the need for amending the existing fees applicable to Indian cargoes under the protocol on inland water transit between Bangladesh and India. Almost immediately after this, Bangladesh refused an Indian proposal to renew the inland water transit agreement by five years, and extended it by one year only. In the meeting held on January 23-24 in Kolkata, the Bangladesh side cited several lapses on the Indian side which inconvenienced Bangladeshi ships and crew.

True, there would be lapses on the Indian side but not necessarily a deliberate act. The Bangladeshi officials are aware that even Indian ships and boats face many problems. There is, therefore, every reason to assume that the inland water protocol decision by the Bangladeshi team was linked to Dr. Rahman’s letter.

Returning to the transit issue, including Nepal and Bhutan along with India was just a formality. Dr. Rahman had a number of questions that the Ministry of Commerce was required to examine including cost-benefit analysis, environmental impact etc. But the main point was political impact which he allegedly put in phrase “negative externalities”, couched words which could include impact on Bangladesh’s security from India. This is exactly the line the BNP and JEI have taken – that transit to India will make Bangladesh vulnerable to India’s machinations.

The entire plans for this transit corridor was to join India, Nepal, Bhutan and Bangladesh to the Asian Highway, a project approved by the Asian Development Bank (ADB). The corridor would go through Myanmar to South East Asia, but would not directly enter China. On the other hand, Dr. Rahman is not to have raised similar question on the proposed road-way from China’s Yunan province through Myanmar to Chittagong port. Myanmar is yet to agree to this proposal, however, despite its close relations with China.

It is astounding for an economist like Dr. Moshiur Rahman ask about the financial losses that Bangladesh would incur due to heavy traffic movement as a result of this transit deal. He has taken this vital issue back to its initiation which many in Bangladesh see as a deliberate negative move after almost everything had been worked out.

Now stop all of your crappy posting that bd is getting transit to another country named nepal and bhutan and india is connecting with itself... then name it corridor instead of transit... n asking by AL free transit for nepal and bhutan is nothing but a ploy to cover the bharti demand of transit... but I personally have no prblem to give free transit to nepal and bhutan to access the sea port but not to the bharatis... we should come to a term based on duty that both side will give for transit... n I personally believe this is the best solution as bharatis will transport more product.

 

[fallstuff]

What Bangladesh is going to export a Nepal ? The present arrangements are sufficient enough. Have not heard anything from any trade group asking for connectivity to Nepal. Trade groups been making a lot noise about tariffs and harassments by the Indian customs.

Translation,

"When BD is demanding agreed tariff contract be enforced, BD is actually asking for connectivity."

Niccolo Machiavelli probably could learn a thing or two from these guys if he was still around !!!!

 

[Dalai Lama]

What Bangladesh is going to export a Nepal ? The present arrangements are sufficient enough. Have not heard anything from any trade group asking for connectivity to Nepal. Trade groups been making a lot noise about tariffs and harassments by the Indian customs.

Translation,

"When BD is demanding agreed tariff contract be enforced, BD is actually asking for connectivity."

Niccolo Machiavelli probably could learn a thing or two from these guys if he was still around !!!!

We've been through this. Address your concerns to your current government. We don't give a s**t since we're getting a good deal. It's up to you to make sure you get a good deal for yourself. This is what we call business... or rather common sense.

 

[Roybot]

Here let me quote more from that very article and the author. I understand posting snippets from article helps you push your point of view, but only till someone does a quick google search and comes up with the whole article, kinda explains why you didn't post the source of your claims. . Anyways i don't have anything more to contribute to this thread. I made my point well and clear, to each to his own i guess. Here's something to chew on though, which you conveniently didn't bother to quote

Derailing India-Bangladesh Relations Will Cost Both « Eurasia Review

It is astounding for an economist like Dr. Moshiur Rahman ask about the financial losses that Bangladesh would incur due to heavy traffic movement as a result of this transit deal. He has taken this vital issue back to its initiation which many in Bangladesh see as a deliberate negative move after almost everything had been worked out.

Eminent Bangladeshi economist, Prof. Rahman Shoban, most recently castigated such perception as “illiterate thought”. Prof. Shoban explained that if the transit route joined India’s North East with the rest of the country, Bangladesh would gain immensely through trade with this region.

The issue of the transit corridor to India, Nepal and Bhutan has been thoroughly evaluated by the concerned Ministries and agencies in Bangladesh for more than a year now. This includes the benefit to and earning for the Chittagong and Mongla ports. It has been estimated that Chittagong would develop rapidly given the revenue that it would earn servicing India, Nepal and Bhutan.

If India is blocked, there could be repercussions from New Delhi. Any land connection of Nepal and Bhutan to Bangladesh would be through Indian territory and require India’s agreement. Talks and preparations are also on regarding both Nepal and Bhutan supplying power to Bangladesh, something the country requires direly for its economic development. The power transmissions would also have to be through Indian territory. At the end, of it Bangladesh would be a net loser. That would not only be unfortunate for Bangladesh but the entire contiguous region.

But of course since it doesn't support your pov anymore, it will become an Indian source by an Indian author and hence rendered useless and biased.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Here let me quote more from that very article and the author. I understand posting snippets from article helps you push your point of view, but only till someone does a quick google search and comes up with the whole article, kinda explains why you didn't post the source of your claims. . Anyways i don't have anything more to contribute to this thread. I made my point well and clear, to each to his own i guess. Here's something to chew on though, which you conveniently didn't bother to quote

Derailing India-Bangladesh Relations Will Cost Both « Eurasia Review



But of course since it doesn't support your pov anymore, it will become an Indian source by an Indian author and hence rendered useless and biased.

what bangladesh will gain will you point this out??? I said clearly in my post other then some bharati dalal none is supporting this deal... what a perticular professor say has any merit until he say what benefit bangladesh will gain... this is transportation deal without any duty ... so where there are benefit and business???

point to be noted india will get duty free access in both mongla and chittagong port .... so from where development opportunity is coming???? N he asked to revaluate the cost benefot analysis (mashiur rahman)... this is what every bangladeshi has asked ... so far no government agency or think tank provided any description how bangladesh will develop other then some selling dream... previously it was bangladesh will turn in to singapore by earning duty now chittagong will develop immensely ... obviously chittagong will develop regardless india get the transit or not.

 

[fallstuff]

We've been through this. Address your concerns to your current government. We don't give a s**t since we're getting a good deal. It's up to you to make sure you get a good deal for yourself. This is what we call business... or rather common sense.

You are not getting a pass through, doesn't matter how well it is sugarcoated. Their are too many unresolved issues on hand before this get through. If AL still wants to push it through, they will be out of power if recent elections were of any indication.

 

[Abhishek_]

A brief summary for fellow members

Inland water-way use: fixed income for BD govt + shipment charge income for private BD companies (100% indian shipments will use private BD vessels)

Railway usage: charges based on usage

As per WTO rules the charges shall approximately be equal to the cost of the services rendered and shall not be used for augmentation of revenue or for protecting domestic services.

Private BD income from indian shipments
2001-02: 2Crore TK
2009-10: 4.52crore TK

Ashuganj- Agortala road
• Improvement-augmentation costs borne by india
• Cost for setting up transshipment facility borne by india
• Ro-Ro ferry installed by india

I hope the above information pacifies the upset BD members. Clearly more shipments will mean more income for the govt (rail use) and private BD companies (water vessels)

I'm not sure why BD members think BD govt (that they voted to power) will be so stupid to ignore the voice of its citizens. I find it safe to assume that all future projects will be designed to be mutually beneficial, and since Indo-BD relations seem to be at an all time high I don't see a problem for issue resolution in case GOB does feel short changed.

 

[Dalai Lama]

You are not getting a pass through, doesn't matter how well it is sugarcoated. Their are too many unresolved issues on hand before this get through. If AL still wants to push it through, they will be out of power if recent elections were of any indication.

Your country, your business. If you can get that done then good on you. But you missed my point. If you want to blame anyone, blame your government and in turn yourselves for keeping them in power. It would be better than blaming India for each and every thing that happens in your country.

 

[fallstuff]

Here let me quote more from that very article and the author. I understand posting snippets from article helps you push your point of view, but only till someone does a quick google search and comes up with the whole article, kinda explains why you didn't post the source of your claims. . Anyways i don't have anything more to contribute to this thread. I made my point well and clear, to each to his own i guess. Here's something to chew on though, which you conveniently didn't bother to quote

Derailing India-Bangladesh Relations Will Cost Both « Eurasia Review



But of course since it doesn't support your pov anymore, it will become an Indian source by an Indian author and hence rendered useless and biased.

Not exactly. Lem me salvage your article from becoming useless,

Returning to the transit issue, including Nepal and Bhutan along with India was just a formality. Dr. Rahman had a number of questions that the Ministry of Commerce was required to examine including cost-benefit analysis, environmental impact etc. But the main point was political impact which he allegedly put in phrase “negative externalities”, couched words which could include impact on Bangladesh’s security from India. This is exactly the line the BNP and JEI have taken – that transit to India will make Bangladesh vulnerable to India’s machinations.

Here comes your source with "If India is blocked", since when BD blocked India ?

If India is blocked, there could be repercussions from New Delhi. Any land connection of Nepal and Bhutan to Bangladesh would be through Indian territory and require India’s agreement. Talks and preparations are also on regarding both Nepal and Bhutan supplying power to Bangladesh, something the country requires direly for its economic development. The power transmissions would also have to be through Indian territory. At the end, of it Bangladesh would be a net loser. That would not only be unfortunate for Bangladesh but the entire contiguous region.

BD got this far without anything from India. India is actually responsible for Nepal and Bhutan's connectivity, not BD. Indian NE folks are not land locked. Your source is useless after all.

 

[fallstuff]

Your country, your business. If you can get that done then good on you. But you missed my point. If you want to blame anyone, blame your government and in turn yourselves for keeping them in power. It would be better than blaming India for each and every thing that happens in your country.

The source is dubious at best. This publication is a twin of Times of India. These publications have a history of sensationalism. It seems like its geared toward domestic consumption.

 

[Dalai Lama]

The source is dubious at best. This publication is a twin of Times of India. These publications have a history of sensationalism. It seems like its geared toward domestic consumption.

How does that relate to my point?

 

[Roybot]

Not exactly. Lem me salvage your article from becoming useless,

Here comes your source with "If India is blocked", since when BD blocked India ?

BD got this far without anything from India. India is actually responsible for Nepal and Bhutan's connectivity, not BD. Indian NE folks are not land locked. Your source is useless after all.

I posted the link of the article, Sami didn't, which means he only wanted us to read a part of the article. I didn't bring this source in this discussion your countrymen did. Agreed India has gained a lot from this deal, but its not like Bangladesh has been short changed either.

I know India is responsible for Nepal and Bhutan's transit, but if this rail link is established Bangldeshi ports will benefit from it, not to mention the bilateral trades between your country and Nepal,Bhutan will increase manifold. Yes Bangladesh is doing well without this connectivity but it doesn't mean it should get complacent. Any country even US and China are still pushing to increase their exports. These facilities will help Bangladesh to increase its trade volume.

The source is dubious at best. This publication is a twin of Times of India. These publications have a history of sensationalism. It seems like its geared toward domestic consumption.

The same issue has also been reported in several other Bangladeshi newspapers. I posted the links on the previous page post#37

 

[fallstuff]

How does that relate to my point?

BD Daily Star mentions this as a side note, where it properly belongs. Your publication has a screaming headline kinda implying this is something BD wants real bad which is far from the truth.