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I truly don't need to ask anyone. As I actually don't follow any personality cult! Used to be a great fan of Mujib ( still a fan ) , but it reduced after I watched an interview ( and created a thread here) where he claimed that Pakistanis burnt 25- 30 m houses in 1971.

You know there wasn't 25-30 millions of houses in former East Pakistan!

So it's a clear lie.

Seems like you do.
It's too bad to judge people like this. It was a fair comparison only. Why do you even speak of demonstrating if you can't talk in clean mind?

Most of Bangladeshi people have this problem.

আমার বক্তব্য পরিষ্কার আর সেটা হল, স্বাধীনতার পর থেকে এই দেশে কোন ফেয়ার ইলেকশন হয় নি ১৯৯১ আর ১৯৯৬ ( ১২ জুন) ছাড়া।

তাই যদি ২০১৮ সালের ভোট চুরি কে আমরা ভোট চুরি বলার সৎসাহস রাখি৷ তাহলে একই চুরির জন্য জিয়াকেও যেন ত্রানকর্তা না মনে করি!

I dont know, I dont care
আপনি কেয়ার করেন না, কারন এতে তো আপনি জিয়ার পার্সোনালিটি কাল্ট কে প্রতিষ্টা করতে পারবেন না।

কেয়ার করলে তো সবাইকেই এক কাতার মানে ভোট চোর হিসাবেই বিবেচনা করা লাগবে।

আমি আবার বলি, ২০১৮ সালে যেমন ভোট চুরি হইছে, ১৯৭৭ সালেও সেই একই রকম ভোট চুরি হইছে।

তাই হাসিনা যদি চোর হয়, জিয়াও সমান মাত্রায় চোর। হাসিনা যদি স্বৈরাচারী হয়, জিয়াও সেটাই ছিল। একেবারে সমান লেভেলের।

আপনি নিজেকে সুইং ভোটার দাবী করেন, আর এর পরেও জিয়ার সাফাই দেন, ব্যাপার য়া খুবই অস্বস্তিকর!


And why should they resign? They dont have to prove the level of democracy to general public. General public already knows that.
জি মানুষ জানে। আমিও জানি, আপনিও জানেন।

সমস্যা হল, আসলেই যারা দলীয় সমর্থক, তারাই ১৯৭৭ সালের হ্যাঁ না ভোটের জন্য জিয়াকে গনতন্ত্রের ধারক বাহক মনে করে।

আর আমার তো মনে পড়ে না যে ২০১৮ সালের ভোট কে আমি কখনো ফেয়ার বলেছি
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তবে আমি আবারও বলি যে আমি গনতন্ত্রের সমর্থক না। আমি চীনের মত ওয়ান পার্টি স্টেট চাই, ক্ষমতায় কে থাকল না থাকল সেটা দেখার বিষয় না আমার।

জাস্ট খালেদা জিয়া আর তার পোলা না থাকলেই হল।
এমন কি আপনিও যদি সরকার প্রধান হন, আর দেশ ভাল চালান, আমি আপনাকে সমর্থন দেব।
 
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I credit Ziaur Rahman for returning Democracy and multi party politics to Bangladesh after Sheikh Mujib tried make Bangladesh a North Korean type autocratic state where general people's are slave of the ruling class.
আমি কিন্তু হাসিনা কে ২০১৮ সালের ইলেকশনের জন্য কোন ক্রেডিট দেই না। বরং ২০১৮ সালের নির্বাচনের জন্য জিয়াকেই দোষ দেই।

কারন সে এই রাস্তাই দেখিয়ে দিয়েছে ১৯৭৭ সালের প্রেসিডেন্টশিয়াল নির্বাচনে ভেল্কি দেখিয়ে। (৯৮.৮ % হ্যাঁ ভোট পেয়ে)! তাই বহুদলীয় নির্বাচন হলেই যে সেটা গনতন্ত্র হয় না সেটার উদাহরণ দিতেই ২০১৮ সাল বার বার টানি! তাই জিয়াকে ক্রেডিট আপনি দেন বা না দেন, এটা নেহায়েত আপনার অভিরুচি, যা কোন ভাবেই ফ্যাক্ট না।

২০১৮ চুরি হলে, ১৯৭৭ ও চুরিই হয়েছে। তাই একই দোষে দুইজনের বিচার কেন আলাদা হবে সেইটা ক্লিয়ার না করা পর্যন্ত এই দেশে গণতন্ত্র আসবে না।

২০১৪ সালের নির্বাচনের জন্যেও দোষ দেই খালেদা জিয়াকে, কারন সেই এই রাস্তা দেখাইছে ১৯৯৬ সালের ১৫ ফেব্রুয়ারিতে।

এইসব ফ্যাক্ট গুলা দেখেও না দেখার ভান করে আমাদের দেশের বেশিরভাগ দলকানা লোকজন, আর তাই গনতন্ত্র কোন দিনই প্রতিষ্ঠিত হয় না।

My position is loud and clear from the beginning!

তবে অপেক্ষা করেন, সামনে গনতন্ত্র পুনরুদ্ধার হবে, তবে আপনাদের ফরমুলায় না। জাস্ট দেখতে থাকেন।

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But, if we have a fair election BNP will return to power
And that's why fair election dangerous in Bangladesh.

Free and fair election will only strengthen the family dynasty which isn't democracy at all.

But after replacing BNP and BAL , and abolishing religion ( through jamat that BNP started the heinous culture) card in politics, and after abolishing chetona cult ( as a counter of religion card, free and fair election can be restored.


Religion card will only make family dynasty stronger under the coat of democracy, and chetona cult will only make autocracy stronger.

And democracy isn't divine mandate ( BAKSAL wasn't divine as well ) that it can't be evolved!

Having a third class and flawed Democracy ( that only benefits family dynasty instead of common people) is the most dangerous idea in this earth.

Now don't say that it's the wish of people.

Because if people want to drink poison, it's not their freedom of choice!

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@Atlas

Im not going to waste my time reasoning with an autocracy supporter.
@Abu Shaleh Rumi , at least I'm honest who isn't following any cult of autocratic military dictator and falsely glorifying him for returning Democracy , and pretending to be a democracy lover!

As long as so called democracy will remain a tool to establish and elevate family dynasty, I will abhor it!

I'm proud that I'm totally consistent on my claim and stance from the first day I've joined in this forum!
 
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@Abu Shaleh Rumi , at least I'm honest who isn't following any cult of autocratic military dictator and falsely glorifying him for returning Democracy , and pretending to be a democracy lover!

As long as so called democracy will remain a tool to establish and elevate family dynasty, I will abhor it!

I'm proud that I'm totally consistent on my claim and stance from the first day I've joined in this forum!
You are just trying to justify your allergy with democracy. Lol...

at least I'm honest
Honesty of an autocracy supporter mean dog fart.
who isn't following any cult of autocratic military dictator
You are a follower of a street political cadre who when came to power fuked up Bangladesh with his every low IQ decisions and straight forward killed Bangladeshs democracy to make Bangladesh another North Korea type country.
and falsely glorifying him for returning Democracy
Then who brought back Democracy in Bangladesh after it was killed by Sheikh Mujib? Ziaur Rahman started the democratic process and multi party politics in Bangladesh.

Seems like you wanted Zia to ensure UK level democracy in Bangladesh from the very first day! Lol.

You know nothing about democracy and stop talking about it.
and pretending to be a democracy lover!
Im am a democracy lover thats why Im risking my life talking for it while residing in Bangladesh with my real identity.
As long as so called democracy will remain a tool to establish and elevate family dynasty, I will abhor it!
Then, you don't belong to the modern civilized world. Democracy requires time to mature and show its effect...
I'm proud that I'm totally consistent on my claim and stance from the first day I've joined in this forum!
So?
 
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Can you provide some research papers on that. I would love to read...

There is none, this is basically one of those bogus stories spread by the BDmilitary folks.

When the Japanese Red Army held hostage at Dhaka Airport, few BAF officers attempted to stage a coup amid the chaos but were unsuccessful and were later tried. Those rebel officers were very small in number and were neutralized by the BAF itself.

The main reason behind BAF's decline is the radical change of its equipment and supplies after 1971. Russia did provide Mig 21s but they were not much of a use since BAF pilots were all trained in only American/Western aircraft. Russia later stopped its supplies when the pro-Soviet Tajuddin Ahmed was forced to resign from the cabinet, practically leaving BAF under India's influence.
 
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Zia was not a politician. He was not seeking any political post. However, he being a military officer was an administrator from the beginning of his military career. BB was not. He was a street agitator.

Zia stabilized the country when BB created Rakkhi Bahini that killed at least 35,000 JASSAD (?) workers and during his time more than 300,000 people died of starvation.

He was unable to forge a good relationship with America to bring food from that country.

It was Zia who established deep political and military relationships with China as well as the political relationship with America.

It was BB time when BD people had to buy salt at 80 Taka per kg and his brother Sk. Nasser was the biggest smuggler of jute at that time destroying our jute industry. While Zia was not fond of nepotism.

Zia stabilized the prices of daily commodities including rice. He averted another famine that people saw during the BB time.

This is why Zia was killed by the Indian design.

I would say Sheikh Mujib had visions but he was too handicapped to do anything, precisely because of the wrong people he was surrounded with. I would compare him Mir Qasim.

After 1971, Bangladesh emerged as more of a protectorate of India which surely irked Sheikh Mujib who wanted to distance away. His vision was only materialized by Ziaur Rahman who basically brought Bangladesh on the map - strengthened relations with the West, China, and the Muslim world; Bangladesh was even elected as a member of UN Security Council defeating Japan!
 
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Honesty of an autocracy supporter mean dog fart.
And who are you to judge? What kind of democracy do you practice that you are calling people like this , only because they hold different opinions than you?

However if you consider democracy sort of divine mandate, then I've nothing to say.

যস্মিন দেশে যদাচার!

Im am a democracy lover thats why Im risking my life talking for it while residing in Bangladesh with my real identity.
I don't care who you are , and what you are doing outside this forum. It's your personal matter.

But before learning and practicing true democracy culture , you can't revive democracy.

You can't establish any kind of democracy if you hold a cult like ideology of yes/no vote in 1977 which was actually the foundation of autocracy in Bangladesh!

Inconsistent line of thinking will only bring you down!

Very simple, I don't consider multi party election as democracy.

As all parties participated in 2018 election, still it was no election, but selection.

So what's the point of using the same method that we are using from 30 years?

Then who brought back Democracy in Bangladesh after it was killed by Sheikh Mujib? Ziaur Rahman started the democratic process and multi party politics in Bangladesh.
So what? Anyone could do the same if he was in power. So nothing speciality of Ziaur Rahman here.
Seems like you wanted Zia to ensure UK level democracy in Bangladesh from the very first day! Lol
Not that, just wanted him to introduced a minimal standard of democracy , not the drama of yes/no voting which was actually the foundation of autocracy in Bangladesh, so that we would never had to see 15 February 1996 election, and later 2014 election.

Both party were on street for CTG govt, and both party later opposed it.

The culture was started in 1996 when Khaleda Zia told,"None but a mentally handicapped person and a baby is neutral , so the concept of CTG govt is irrelevant!"

Later in 2014, Hasina is just applying the same method!

Next time if CTG govt will be introduced, according the demand of BNP, the same thing will be continued.


You are a follower of a street political cadre who when came to power fuked up Bangladesh with his every low IQ decisions and straight forward killed Bangladeshs democracy to make Bangladesh another North Korea type country.
You made a mistake. However that's fine , because I already know the limitations of your inconsistent line of thinking. You can't think beyond BNP and BAL.

And if you really want to know the fuked up decison of some low IQ people, you should properly learn the consequences of the relationship between BNP jamat govt with Taiwan.

It was the most fuked up decision of GoB in 2004.

That's why I was just trying to say that other than broaden your mind , you can't introduced any type of democracy in Bangladesh.

Specially you can't expect democracy without changing our system and re writing our constitution.

A three months long CTG govt will only transfer power to another family dynasty
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And after 5 years we will see another massacre.

So after resigning of BAL ( or taken them down as you said you are trying with your real name) , we need a national unity govt for 3 years where all parties will have representetives.

This unity govt will create some atmosphere of a fair election.

And only then a free and fair election can be take place, free from any political influence.

Dr Jafarullah and colonel oli Ahmed also proposed the same.

However that's different argument, but it's what I actually want other than the show off of family dynasty.

Yes 3/4 years long national unity govt will be very useful to de engage the partisan people.

So only then a better form of democracy can be expected that will serve common people other than serving interest of anther family, otherwise not.

Then, you don't belong to the modern civilized world. Democracy requires time to mature and show its effect
According to your theory , India belongs to modern civili world where minority Muslims are being beaten till death because of allegation of eating beef.

However I'm not the supporter of partisan autocracy as now BAL introduced ( or BNP introduced in 1977 and 1996) , I prefer China type one party state where you can only vote for one party.

But no single political party of Bangladesh meet the requirements of Comunist party of China.

So now if you agree with a national unity govt ( for 3/4 years) to revive democracy, I would only want the unity govt became one party ( as @Bengali71 fears) , and rule long time other than just 3/4 years.

But it's totally different argument and a long debate , which is off topic here!

You are just trying to justify your allergy with democracy. Lol...

So actually my allergy is with fake democracy that only serve the purpose for two family dynasty, and also a tyranny of the majority!

With pure form of democracy by rewriting constitution is fine for me!

Although tbh , I consider Chinese system better than West if you have proper political authority like CCP!
 
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I would say Sheikh Mujib had visions but he was too handicapped to do anything, precisely because of the wrong people he was surrounded with. I would compare him Mir Qasim.

After 1971, Bangladesh emerged as more of a protectorate of India which surely irked Sheikh Mujib who wanted to distance away. His vision was only materialized by Ziaur Rahman who basically brought Bangladesh on the map - strengthened relations with the West, China, and the Muslim world; Bangladesh was even elected as a member of UN Security Council defeating Japan!
Bold part: I will say Mir Qasem was different from Mujib. However, Mir Qasem did a few timing mistakes. One was his untimely abolishing taxes for all. Only the English traders were given this privilege by Nawab Mir Zafar, his father-in-law.

The timing did not favor him because his military was still weak. and this alarmed the privileged British.

He had moved the Capital to Munger, but he was helpless when his Palace/ fort was full of Bangali spies paid by the British. These Bangali spies were our forefathers.

However, he killed the four conspirators including Jagat Seth famous in history by throwing them from the fort to a river below.

We people remain as traitors now as our forefathers were during the time of Nawabi rules. Only India has replaced the Britishers now.

In the case of Mujib, he changed overnight after coming back to the country. Mir Quasem was not a bullying type of ruler, Mujib was.

Mir Quasem fought for the country and lost everything after his defeat in the Battle of Buxer. He died an obscure in Delhi. On the other hand, Mujib surrendered on the night of 25 March.
 
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