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Bangladesh -- the best kept secret of Asia

We are not talking about awamileague and BNP please keep this politics away from discussion...some of the growth of bangladesh will come regardless which political party remain in power... yes infrastructure and power issue is a big challenge...if this 2 facts can be attained then Bangladesh will achieve more than 10% gdp growth... dcci has said recently on their study presentation ... bangladesh can achieve 12% gdp growth on average up to 2030 if these 2 issue can be tackled... for this they have given the example of java... where there is no electric outrage.. only cause of this despite of having low wages bangladesh may loose business...n for your info bangladesh require to attain per capita gdp of 2000 usd to get the title of middle income country n the range of this countries vary up to 10000 usd per capita... from that point high income country starts... just do math you will find with the growth 7.5% gdp growth bangladesh will attain 2000 usd per capita gdp by 2021....

regarding bridge and dhaka chittagong highway it will be 2.9% ... 1.7% from dhaka chittagong highway and 1.2 % from padma bridge...

For padma bridge it is estimated by ADB...

ADB sees 1.2pc GDP increase with construction of Padma Bridge

Right now i am not finding the article for Dhaka chittagong highway but it was forcasted by world bank or ADB...

No where in my post I mentioned any political party. It is you desperately clinging on party poltics to cover your shortcoming.I asked you to show if there is any study done on how padma bridge and dhaka-ctg higway will increase GDP by 3.2% as you claimed before. Now you are claiming GDP growth will be 2.9% instead. Make up your mind better yet find a study to validate your hope and claim.

Making claim GDP growth will be 10%, 12% and what not is easy because talk is cheap. That's how we been cheated giving transit will make Bangladesh Singapore. Deep sea port will make Bangladesh per capital income $5000. And before you came along Iajdani used to be the propagator of these type of BS.

Fact is this type of hype brings down the quality of this Bangladesh section and make you look like novice.
 
Bangladesh only required 7.5% year on year GDP growth upto 2030 to achieve that target of 1 trillion dollar economy in terms of PPP and 12% to reach 1 trillion dollar economy in terms of nominal under present dollar value.
No Sir, even with a 7.5% growth in the next few years and a 12% growth afterward, it is not possible to take our present $110 billion GDP to $1 trillion. All the technological, (social and physical) infrastructural, organizational and R&D ingredints are missing in the assumtion that BD economy will grow by 12% or even by 8%.

These rates are absurd when considered in terms of reality. BD economy is still based on agriculture and a low-tech RMG. Both these sectors will stop further growing in the next few years. Agriculture - because more lands are not available, high breed seeds are already available, and fertilizer demands have been fulfilled either by domestic production or by import.

RMG - too much export projection of this low-tech commodity cannot be materialized. Labour salaries may go up and BD currency value may go up against dollar, say, to Tk55 per dollar. These two factors may cause to double the prices of RMG products. Other new countries may pop up to take the opportunity and take away the market from us. This is already happening to China and india.

In case of these two countries, they have already developed heavy industries. So, they do not have to worry about cheap RMG products of BD slicing into their international market. But, BD has failed yet to build its heavy industries. Even its power sector is so weak.

Pakistan's installed power capacity is 24,000 MW. But, BD's present capacity is less than 4,000 MW. When we develop this sector, only then the industrialists will come forward with heavy industries led by steel manufacturing.

Please take note of the formula written below to calculate GDP in any year in the future:

log100 + n.log(1 + x) = logP

whereby,

100 = you can write 110, because it is our present GDP
n = number of yrs. If it is 2030, then n=(2030-2010)=20
1= a Constant
x = percent of growth, for your assumed 12%, it is 0.12
P = the GDP after n=20 yrs or in 2030

If you have an engineering calculator you can easily find out the reality. I think, even in that exaggerated rate of 12% per anum from this year, the GDP will not be anything near $1 trillion. It will reach only $350 billion. Newspaper people and many of our economic theorists should be taught how to handle a compound calculation. They think and write so many imaginations.

Note that, even if the economy grows at 10% per year, the GDP will be $600 billion after 40 years. However, if the currency becomes stronger by, say, 30%, the figure will be $780 billion.
 
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Listen you may have done some miscalculation while measuring the GDP using your formula..
Just for you using your formula...

Log 110 = 2.041

20*log(1+.12)=.9843

If you add the two it becomes

Log p = 2.041 + .9843 = 3.0253

P = anti log 3.0253 = 1059.9856 or 10 to the power 3.0253
= 1059.9856 or around 1.06 trillion....

This calculation is for GDP based on nominal term.... In terms of Ppp it will be with 7.5 percent GDP growth it will be 1.09648 trillion as Bangladesh has a GDP around 260 billion in terms of ppp. All these values are based on present dollar value.

N no has denied Bangladesh rely on agriculture... And there will be lots of challenges to achieve that goal... But based on the projection agriculture will contribute only 10 percent by that time... N industry and manufacturing 40 percent..... N all these are not my word but the word of DCCI. They projected by 2030 Bangladesh will export goods worth 160 billion from currently around 15 to 18 billion...

Hope I have cleared some of the fact for you.

No Sir, even with a 7.5% growth in the next few years and a 12% growth afterward, it is not possible to take our present $110 billion GDP to $1 trillion. All the technological ingredints are missing in the assumtion that BD economy will grow by 12% or even by 8%.

These rates are absurd when considered in terms of reality. BD economy is still based on agriculture and a low-tech RMG. Both these sectors will stop further growing in the next few years. Agriculture - because more lands are not available, high breed seeds are already available, and fertilizer demands have been fulfilled either by domestic production or by import.

RMG - too much export projection of this low-tech commodity cannot be materialized. Labour salaries may go up and BD currency value may go up against dollar, say, to Tk55 per dollar. These two factors may cause to double the prices of RMG products. Other new countries may pop up to take the opportunity and take away the market from us. This is already happening to China and india.

In case of these two countries, they have already developed heavy industries. So, they do not have to worry about cheap RMG products of BD are slicing into their international market. But, BD has failed yet to build its heavy industries. Even its power sector is so weak.

Pakistan's installed power capacity is 24,000 MW. But, BD's present capacity is less than 4,000 MW. When we develop this sector, only then the industrialists will come forward with heavy industries led by steel manufacturing.

Please take note of the formula written below to calculate GDP in any year in the future:

log100 + n.log(1 + x) = logP

whereby,

100 = you can write 110, because it is our present GDP
n = number of yrs. If it is 2030, then n=(2030-2010)=20
1= a Constant
x = percent of growth, for your assumed 12%, it is 0.12
P = the GDP after n=20 yrs or in 2030

If you have an engineering calculator you can easily find out the reality. I think, even in that exaggerated rate of 12% per anum from this year, the GDP will not be anything near $1 trillion. It will reach only $350 billion.




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Listen you may have done some miscalculation while measuring the GDP using your formula..
Just for you using your formula...

Log 110 = 2.041

20*log(1+.12)=.9843

If you add the two it becomes

Log p = 2.041 + .9843 = 3.0253

P = anti log 3.0253 = 1059.9856 or 10 to the power 3.0253
= 1059.9856 or around 1.06 trillion....

This calculation is for GDP based on nominal term.... In terms of Ppp it will be with 7.5 percent GDP growth it will be 1.09648 trillion as Bangladesh has a GDP around 260 billion in terms of ppp. All these values are based on present dollar value.

N no has denied Bangladesh rely on agriculture... And there will be lots of challenges to achieve that goal... But based on the projection agriculture will contribute only 10 percent by that time... N industry and manufacturing 40 percent..... N all these are not my word but the word of DCCI. They projected by 2030 Bangladesh will export goods worth 160 billion from currently around 15 to 18 billion...

Hope I have cleared some of the fact for you.
Right now I do not have either a logarithmm book or an engineering calculator in my hand. But, as far as I can remember, log (A + B) = logA + logB, and not log(1 + 0.12) = log1.12 as you may have thought. Check the equation in this way, you will get the correct result.

But, I would like to ask you in which mathematical book have you found this absurd result of yours that if the economy grows at 12% per year for the next 30 years, it will reach $1 trillion? In a simple rate the increase is only 360% and in compound rate it is about 500%. The formula I wrote will give you approximately the $500 billion figure.

So, it is only 3.6 and 5 times respectively. Since the present GDP is $100, therefore, it means, only a $360billion and $500 billion GDP in 2040. How do you get your $1000 billion GDP in that year? Just do not imagine things. Better check all these things with mathematical calculations and then send some posts with reliable figures.
 
Hmm one thing in Bangladesh's favor is birthrate. It's now close to the ideal figure of 2.1, while its 2.7 for India and 4 for Pakistan.
 
Right now I do not have either a logarithmm book or an engineering calculator in my hand. But, as far as I can remember, log (A + B) = logA + logB, and not log(1 + 0.12) = log1.12 as you may have thought. Check the equation in this way, you will get the correct result.

But, I would like to ask you in which mathematical book have you found this absurd result of yours that if the economy grows at 12% per year for the next 30 years, it will reach $1 trillion? In a simple rate the increase is only 360% and in compound rate it is about 500%. The formula I wrote will give you approximately the $500 billion figure.

So, it is only 3.6 and 5 times respectively. Since the present GDP is $100, therefore, it means, only a $360billion and $500 billion GDP in 2040. How do you get your $1000 billion GDP in that year? Just do not imagine things. Better check all these things with mathematical calculations and then send some posts with reliable figures.





Lol... My friend.... You have done some mistake in your assumption again... As long as anything remain within bracket you can take them as a single value... N the formula that you have written here is for log(a+b) = log a + log b is actually for log(ab) = log a + log b. And another thing the value of log 1 is 0 and for any value less than 1 it's log value become negative.... So it does not make any sense.... The easiest way to calculate the GDP is 110*(1.12)^20.

The value is correct if you see year on year growth of 12 percent up to 2030.... Not 2040 as you have said.....

It will be like this for the next 20 years with an average growth of 12% in nominal terms.... 110, 123.2, 137.984,154.54, 173.08, 193.857, 217.12, 243.17, 272.36, 305.04, 341.64, 382.64, 428.56, 479.98, 537.58, 602.09, 674.34, 755.26, 845.9, 947.404, 1061.09.

I hope you have got some idea.... This projection is made by DCCI and said this 12 percent growth is highly ambitious but achivable .. They have also projected for 7, 8 and 10 percent.... According to them 10 percent is most likely scenario and 8 percent is a very moderate estimate...

I am repeating again none of these are my personal opinion or idea...
 
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This projection is made by DCCI and said this 12 percent growth is highly ambitious but achivable .. They have also projected for 7, 8 and 10 percent.... According to them 10 percent is most likely scenario and 8 percent is a very moderate estimate...

DCCI can buy dime a dozen reporter to publish their hyped up idea BUT they are not the one who posting it in this forum. Since you are jumping with their hype could we hold you to these projections (lets say for 8% GDP growth for next year) you are posting here?
 
Lol... My friend.... You have done some mistake in your assumption again... As long as anything remain within bracket you can take them as a single value... N the formula that you have written here is for log(a+b) = log a + log b is actually for log(ab) = log a + log b. And another thing the value of log 1 is 0 and for any value less than 1 it's log value become negative.... So it does not make any sense.... The easiest way to calculate the GDP is 110*(1.12)^20.

I hope you have got some idea.... This projection is made by DCCI and said this 12 percent growth is highly ambitious but achivable .. They have also projected for 7, 8 and 10 percent.... According to them 10 percent is most likely scenario and 8 percent is a very moderate estimate...

I am repeating again none of these are my personal opinion or idea...

Yes, you are rtight about your log. I am sorry for that. But, think why you are getting an absurd result? It cannot be $1 trillion.....lol.
 
DCCI can buy dime a dozen reporter to publish their hyped up idea BUT they are not the one who posting it in this forum. Since you are jumping with their hype could we hold you to these projections (lets say for 8% GDP growth for next year) you are posting here?

Look there is no doubt if present trend continue Bangladesh for sure will growth at an average rate at least in between 8 to 10 percent... This year alone Bangladesh has been forecasted to grow 6.3 by world bank to 6.7 by Bangladeshi government... When many of the infrastructural development project will be completed with in the next couple of year they will themselves elevate GDP by 2 to 3 percent... Even if you ignore many
other factor which can contribute to the GDP...if electricity problem can be resolved by 2013 to 2015 it will contribute more to GDP by attracting diversified business of china as still Bangladesh is in more advantageous position then other countries else it will go to Vietnam or Indonesia....

N r u naive or a bigot who just like awami basing and Pakistan praising and potray negative picture of bd.... Here every one post from different news or sources.... If you do not like then disprove it or ignore it....DCCI said along with those estimate Bangladesh must resolve electricity problem and improve infrastructure and they also mentioned there are some big challenges.... To attain this but they said it is attainable... This is also forecasted by many other reknowned orgs.... Gold man sachs pedigree that turkey will be one of the top 9 economy by 2050 and will be bigger economy then France, Germany and japan which many people does not like or want to believe... It is their problem... It does not mean that no 1 will not post those news... Instead of trolling talk rationally....
 
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Yes, you are rtight about your log. I am sorry for that. But, think why you are getting an absurd result? It cannot be $1 trillion.....lol.

Sir then so where is my mistake... In real life it may be not 1 trillion but in math it is for sure more than 1 trillion... Can you imagine it is forcasted that India will have a 30 trillion dollar economy in nominal term from present 1.3 trillion by 2030 even though that's based on dollar value of 2030... So this is quite reasonable value under present dollar estimate..... Now tell me how you got your result of 360 percent or 500 percent growth with 12% GDP growth....
 
Right now I do not have either a logarithmm book or an engineering calculator in my hand. But, as far as I can remember, log (A + B) = logA + logB, and not log(1 + 0.12) = log1.12 as you may have thought. Check the equation in this way, you will get the correct result.

I'm not getting into this argument right now, but he is right about log (1+0.12) = log 1.12.
 
DCCI can buy dime a dozen reporter to publish their hyped up idea BUT they are not the one who posting it in this forum. Since you are jumping with their hype could we hold you to these projections (lets say for 8% GDP growth for next year) you are posting here?

K, let's do a little calculation. GDP in terms of PPP is $250 billion (just google it or go to wikipedia) right now.

If economy grows at 8% every year, by 2030 the GDP (PPP) will stand at $1.165 trillion. The value of taka will have appreciated - so it's actually going to be more than that at the assumed growth rate.

8% is achievable in a few years. But GoB should focus on making the growth rate sustainable instead of just attaining the growth for a single year and bragging about it as they (both parties) always do!
 
Not secret but will be a Shining example how a country starting from 14 dollar reserve with completely destroyed infrastructure will attain high per capita gdp than from the country this was separated.... by 2030 bangladesh will produce more graduate than pakistan and will rank 5th in the world in terms of number of graduate producing....

see the standard chartered latest report the super cycle.... on page 70 under the title creativity....

Bangladesh will remain way above than pakistan.. bangladesh will have 27,558,000 people against pakistan's 17,952,000 in terms of tertiary education for 15- to 65-year-olds... despite of having less population than pakistan....

http://www.standardchartered.com/me...documents/20101115/The_Super-cycle_Report.pdf

In reality if any 1 compare with the ratio of total population it will also be higher than india as India will have 126,077,000 people with total population of 147 million... which is less than 5 times than the bangladesh's one despite the fact that india will have more than 7 times population than Bangladesh...

hahaha by 2030. :lol:

This is complete bogus bull $hit. You have long way to go if you want to be in current position of Pakistan economy.
 
Sir then so where is my mistake... In real life it may be not 1 trillion but in math it is for sure more than 1 trillion... Can you imagine it is forcasted that India will have a 30 trillion dollar economy in nominal term from present 1.3 trillion by 2030 even though that's based on dollar value of 2030... So this is quite reasonable value under present dollar estimate..... Now tell me how you got your result of 360 percent or 500 percent growth with 12% GDP growth....

So, there may be a major mistake in the formula that I have sent. But, I do not have the right calculator now to recalculate it and find out where the mistake is. But, I stick to my another math that I have written in the same post and which you have forgotten to quote.

Even with a 12% growth, the GDP will grow to $360 billion in simple rate, and it grows to $500billion in 2040 when calculated in compound rate. I believe 12% growth assumption is absurd. We should better think if the current growth of 6.5% can be sustained for many more years.

Is there any mistakes in the two figures above? But, you are still talking about $1 trillion GDP when the economy grows at 12% per anum when the calculation gives a much lower figure. You believe the high figure because it is written by some reporter who really did not do a proper mathematics.
 
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