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Bangladesh supports India on UNSC permanent membership

its hard to believe that Bangladeshis forget so easily on how and who helped them getting independence.....you lived with us together with no boundaries for thousands of years......and in last 30yrs all of a certain your eyes opened saying bharti aggression....they claim the current govt is dalal govt, but the forget that the previous govts were also not doing any good to BD people....atleast the current BD is focused on bringing BD on path of progress and prosperity....

seeing at your flag, sir i believe you must be in USA enjoying the benefits of USA's most gifted democratic rights...and here to suggest others in BD to follow islamic ideology....corrupting their minds....

have a good look on the western neighbor of ours......what they are going through today for following such a route and allowing their masses to go through all this.....i hope you don't want BDs future generation to go through all this...

i am not saying don't be islamic.....i know Islam is a good religion.... but it is not the way to tackle and confront others....instead follow the right path of being competitive in education, business and such stuff....

love live india....long live BD

1. BD has always been grateful to India, CIS bloc and all the Govts and peoples who stood by us during our time of peril. Never-the-less we had then understood well and understand it now that India had little option.She got a God-send opportunity to break Pak and weaken the subcontinental Muslims. If Indira had not come out in open support she would definitely have been hounded out in exile.

2. BD would have defeated Pak occupation forces eventually even without India's support. By Oct '71 we were able to confine Pak Army mostly confined to posts. Indira, and now learn even USA, saw a protracted war would give birth to a revolutionary socialistic order which would have incorporated India's Naxals and the NE freedom fighters.

3. However from Day 1 India started misbehaving with us. Looting of our stores and factories, carrying off weapons / eqpt of the surrendering Pak Army, started immediately. Even sporadic rapes were reported. Indian Army in fact held some court martial for PR purpose and get rid of unpopular elements.

4. We were never one nation in history except under Muslim rulers. Our Sultans owed allegiance to the Emperor at Delhi, who in turn accepted the suzerainty of the Caliph at Damascus/Baghdad/Istanbul.In fact our Pala rulers and Pathan Kings ruled over India from this base. Even the Brits used our power base to conquer and rule the subcontinent.
 
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why you guys keep harping about mulims as you are the de facto flag bearer of Islam come out of this mentality. Mulims are far better in India.

The sooner you get out of this sick mentality better for you
 
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1. BD has always been grateful to India, CIS bloc and all the Govts and peoples who stood by us during our time of peril. Never-the-less we had then understood well and understand it now that India had little option.She got a God-send opportunity to break Pak and weaken the subcontinental Muslims. If Indira had not come out in open support she would definitely have been hounded out in exile.
It was not 'God-send' opportunity. It was Pak-send.

As with this horsepucky of 'weakening of subcontinental Muslims', may be you should ask your Pak brothers, if they gave two hoots to your kind because of your Islam. You should ask them if they cared for strengthening the 'subcontinental Muslims' while they were raping your women and killing you like street dogs.
 
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2. BD would have defeated Pak occupation forces eventually even without India's support. By Oct '71 we were able to confine Pak Army mostly confined to posts. Indira, and now learn even USA, saw a protracted war would give birth to a revolutionary socialistic order which would have incorporated India's Naxals and the NE freedom fighters.

pray tell
would the brave men be able to confine the PA like they did had it not been for the safe havens that india provided for so long?
and what about the training and weapons provided to those brave men?

yes they would have beaten the PA without IA marching in. however dont assume it could have been possible without indian support
 
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1. BD has always been grateful to India, CIS bloc and all the Govts and peoples who stood by us during our time of peril. Never-the-less we had then understood well and understand it now that India had little option.She got a God-send opportunity to break Pak and weaken the subcontinental Muslims. If Indira had not come out in open support she would definitely have been hounded out in exile.

What kind of gratefulness is this that Indira Gandhi had no option and that's why she choose to help BD??? Can you tell me any instance in the history where a country has gone out for a full-fledge war with another opponent(as potent as Pak) just for the sake of compassion???? If the answer is No then please do not pull crap like these...our soldiers have given up their lives for an enitity called BD....Respect that and don't put if's and but's in it...

2. BD would have defeated Pak occupation forces eventually even without India's support. By Oct '71 we were able to confine Pak Army mostly confined to posts. Indira, and now learn even USA, saw a protracted war would give birth to a revolutionary socialistic order which would have incorporated India's Naxals and the NE freedom fighters.

Another crap...Can you explain how on this earth you would have won over a professional army as potent as Pak without any external help??? If not India what other country would have supported your cause then??? Whom would have given your fighters logistics and other equipments...Do you honeslty think that India forced an all out war even though they couls have achieved their mission just by using Mukhti Bahini as proxy???

3. However from Day 1 India started misbehaving with us. Looting of our stores and factories, carrying off weapons / eqpt of the surrendering Pak Army, started immediately. Even sporadic rapes were reported. Indian Army in fact held some court martial for PR purpose and get rid of unpopular elements.
So IA liberated BD to do sporadic rapes and did court martial for PR purpose??? Amazinf talent you have.... IA is not composed of hooligans.. It is a professional force and out pakistan counterparts can vouch for it...Even if it is a fact Individuals action cannot be attributed to whole army..Don't even know why i am explaining this to you


4. We were never one nation in history except under Muslim rulers. Our Sultans owed allegiance to the Emperor at Delhi, who in turn accepted the suzerainty of the Caliph at Damascus/Baghdad/Istanbul.In fact our Pala rulers and Pathan Kings ruled over India from this base. Even the Brits used our power base to conquer and rule the subcontinent.
No comments...whatever keeps you happy
 
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why you guys keep harping about mulims as you are the de facto flag bearer of Islam

Agreed.

Mulims are far better in India.

May be or may not be. But I bet no non Indian Muslim want to be part of Indian Muslims for their betterment.
 
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Agreed.



May be or may not be. But I bet no non Indian Muslim want to be part of Indian Muslims for their betterment.

Keep your bet to yourself... You are a senior member and i am amazed at your nonsensical post....
 
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What kind of gratefulness is this that Indira Gandhi had no option and that's why she choose to help BD??? Can you tell me any instance in the history where a country has gone out for a full-fledge war with another opponent(as potent as Pak) just for the sake of compassion???? If the answer is No then please do not pull crap like these...our soldiers have given up their lives for an enitity called BD....Respect that and don't put if's and but's in it...



Another crap...Can you explain how on this earth you would have won over a professional army as potent as Pak without any external help??? If not India what other country would have supported your cause then??? Whom would have given your fighters logistics and other equipments...Do you honeslty think that India forced an all out war even though they couls have achieved their mission just by using Mukhti Bahini as proxy???


So IA liberated BD to do sporadic rapes and did court martial for PR purpose??? Amazinf talent you have.... IA is not composed of hooligans.. It is a professional force and out pakistan counterparts can vouch for it...Even if it is a fact Individuals action cannot be attributed to whole army..Don't even know why i am explaining this to you



No comments...whatever keeps you happy

Cant we just keep things simple instead of going over "What if and what else" again and again.

BD did receive help whether it needed or not or whethe India had any ill intention or not. Thats the fact and history. Thanks to India.

BD did want Inidan force to get our of its teritorry asap after the war and India did, thanks god.

Its irrelevant now to raise the question whether it was a rightly action from Indian part to go to a direct war with Pakistan as it already happend and the outcome was positive.

Cheers....
 
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Cant we just keep things simple instead of going over "What if and what else" again and again.

BD did receive help whether it needed or not or whethe India had any ill intention or not. Thats the fact and history. Thanks to India.

BD did want Inidan force to get our of its teritorry asap after the war and India did, thanks god.

Its irrelevant now to raise the question whether it was a rightly action from Indian part to go to a direct war with Pakistan as it already happend and the outcome was positive.

Cheers....

You are right and if you read my post again that exactly what i mean... our soldiers gave up their lives to halp BD become a reality....We should not belittle their help by saying that India did that because she is some kind of opportunist or had no option but to help... Make sense???
 
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Cant we just keep things simple instead of going over "What if and what else" again and again.

BD did receive help whether it needed or not or whethe India had any ill intention or not. Thats the fact and history. Thanks to India.

BD did want Inidan force to get our of its teritorry asap after the war and India did, thanks god.

Its irrelevant now to raise the question whether it was a rightly action from Indian part to go to a direct war with Pakistan as it already happend and the outcome was positive.

Cheers....

Nice evasive action. Of course, its all irrelevant to you now. You got your independence. Talk about biting the hand.....
 
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Every time I read people posts here, I can see one big difference between Indian citizens and others.
Citizens from Pakistan and BD sounds scared that their ideology and religion is in danger and they need to sacrifice their life to protect it, while we Indians, living in a secular country do not bother about religion at all, for us our concern is our security and prosperity. Religion is a personal preference. Have faith in your faith and just chill....it will only become better...

ISLAM is a great religion and I know from my Muslims friends with whom I grew up. So please do not consider your pupose of existence is to safe Islam. Do you consider GOD too weak that HE will need you to protect his WILL?

Live a life full of hardwork and sincere effort and do the job assigned to you well. We are at different stages of our economic cycle and life cycle. BD will also be a rich and powerfull nation one day....this is certain.Its just a life cycle ( take for example Cricket, India, Pakistan, Srilanka..all won the world cup and I can see its the turn of BD now.)

Now lets talk about culture...eating chinese food, will not make me chinese..but only gives me an option to enjoy one more delicacy.....and its up to me to choose to eat itor not. So all these fear of culture invasion is only by vested interests.......

Trade and commerce is always beneficial to all. China would not e China if it had not opened up in late 70's. India opned up in in 90's and therefor it is lagging but that about it. It will catch up. Do not bottle yourself up.
 
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The lessons from Hasina’s visit

2010-01-20 21:17:34
Last Updated: 2010-01-20 23:42:57


Bhaskar Roy

As Bangladesh Prime Minister Sk. Hasina returned from her three day (January 10-13) visit to India, her country found its people totally engaged with this one development. Domestic reactions were on expected lines. While Sk. Hasina and her party along with their allies described the visit as a remarkable success, the opposition led by the BNP and Jamaat-e-Islami (JEI) projected it as a total failure and surrender to India.

The central point, however, is the fact that in Bangladesh, no foreign relations attracts the kind of attention and importance, and raises emotions as ties with India do. This is very significant. It makes it abundantly clear that in their appreciation of India, Bangladeshis remain as deeply divided as they were during the 1971 war of liberation.

As an aside, it was very interesting to note the crowd reaction to the Bangladesh-India-Nepal tri-series cricket tournament in Bangladesh. The support to the Indian team was surprisingly high. This, compared to the photographs carried in some Bangladeshis newspapers in the 1980s and 1990s showing Pakistan beating India all over in the 1982 Asian Games in New Delhi indicate that things are changing.

While addressing a press conference in New Delhi on January 13, Prime Minister Sk. Hasina made a very perceptive observation to a reporter’s question. She said strong anti-India elements have been there as demonstrated by the 1954 Pakistan elections (Bangladesh was East Pakistan then), and she could not do anything about it. These anti-India voices can be subsumed if the common people of Bangladesh benefit from the Indo-Bangladesh relations, she added.

This is the truth. It is becoming increasingly clear that many Bangladeshi leaders who sided with the pro-liberationists in 1971 were actually pro-Pakistani and anti-Indian. Two senior leaders, Khandakar Mustaque Ahmed and Taheruddin Thakur, were directly involved with the assassination of Bangabandhu Sk. Mujibur Rahman along with most members of his extended family on August 15, 1974. Only his two daughters, Sk. Hasina and Sk. Rehana, survived as they were abroad.

In November that year the same group of army officers who killed Sheikh Mujib also assassinated four top Awami League leaders who were incarcerated in the Dhaka central jail. Two other developments in this connection are notable.

The “killer majors”, as the group of army officers were known popularly, were elevated to diplomatic postings and given amnesty by the government of the day. And the Jaamat-e-Islami, which was banned for its pro-Pakistani activities against the freedom fighters and pro-liberation minded Bengalis, was politically rehabilitated. The trial of war criminals was also stopped.

All this happened in the period between Sk. Mujib’s assassination and President Zia-ur-Rehman’s period. Zia-ur-Rehman, as a major in the army, was a highly decorated freedom fighter. But his actions during his tenure at the highest position in the country suggested a pronounced anti-liberation bias.

President Zia, who formed the BNP, worked to create tensions with India. H.M. Ershad, who took over after Zia’s assassination in 1981, eased the bilateral relations to an extent. By this time, the anti-India forces were well entrenched, mainly with the assistance of the BNP. The JEI was still untouchable among most Bangladeshis.

But the worst period in India-Bangladesh relations was witnessed during the BNP-JEI led four party alliance rule from 2001 to 2006. This was the period which saw a sharp rise in Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism, hosting of Indian insurgent groups like the ULFA and others, and a close co-operation between Bangladesh’s intelligence agencies and Pakistan’s ISI to launch cross-border terrorism into India’s heartland. The accidental interdiction of ten truck load of arms at the Chittagong port in April 2004, revealed the kind of arms support Bangladesh was providing the ULFA. The case is still under investigation.

The world now realises that the BNP-JEI government had become state sponsors of terrorism, because top ruling government leaders, their intelligence agencies and bureaucrats were involved in such operations. Attempts were made on the life of Sheikh Hasina, who is considered to be pro-India and the living symbol of liberation.

The Awami League returned to power in the December 28, 2008 election with a sweeping majority because the BNP-JEI government had ravaged the country in more ways than one.

The vast majority of Bangladeshi Muslims believe in secularism, democracy and historical friendly relations with India. Most Bangladeshis are emotional and sensitive people who do not contribute to obscurantism and terrorism, and look towards modernism and development. No wonder the JEI won only two seats at the last election.

But this is no reason for complacency. The BNP and JEI have created a strong support base. The JEI’s support is on strong religious and ideological grounds. The BNP’s support is more opportunistic and remains vulnerable to outside incentives.

Returning to Sheikh Hasina’s India visit, the agreements and MoUs signed, and the joint statement issued at the end of the visit, it is no surprise that the Bangladesh opposition has concentrated on only a few sensitive issues. But in their eagerness to trash the upgraded bilateral relations, they have exposed their core concern, which is unacceptable to the civilized world.

The opposition sharply criticized the three agreements on mutual legal assistance on criminal matters, transfer of sentenced persons, and combating international terrorism, organized crime and illicit drug trafficking. They have argued that these arguments are in Indian interests only, and not Bangladesh’s.

This is strange logic. Is hosting criminals, terrorists, drug traffickers and organized crime in Bangladesh’s interest? Do they expect international praise for such a policy, or do they believe destabilization of India as the pinnacle of their destiny?

The government of Sk. Hasina was severely attacked by the BNP and the JEI for assisting India in arresting ULFA leaders like its chairman Aurobindo Rajkhowa. The Bangladesh based ULFA leaders were described as freedom fighters who the country should support, and compared to Bangladeshi freedom fighters. It was also said that by handing over ULFA leaders to India, Bangladesh was making an enemy out of this organization and jeopardizing Bangladesh’s security.

This preposterous suggestion shows that the opposition desires that Bangladesh remains a platform and incubator of anti-India terrorism, unmindful of the calamity these same groups can unleash on the country. This is not viciousness, but utter madness.

The opposition also castigated land and water transit to India as counter to the country’s security and sovereignty, explaining the Indian army could transit through these routes to north-east India. Similarly, access to Bangladeshi ports for India has been objected to on lame grounds. At the same time they are silent on India’s accord to allow road connectivity to Nepal and Bhutan to Bangladesh, a long standing demand, the billion dollar credit line for infrastructure construction including up gradation of railways. They also opposed the 250 mw power supply to Bangladesh, and lifting of negative tariffs on 47 items.

In brief, India is anathema to the entrenched anti-India sections. But it is unfortunate to see worldly wise and erudite BNP leaders like Morshed Khan join this chorus. Of course, his Pakistani links are also family entrenched.

All issues cannot be resolved in one visit. But this one visit promises to restore and build upon the trust between the two countries on a much larger scale. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has agreed to revisit the 1974 Indira-Mujib pact on land borders and adversely possessed enclaves, promised not to do anything on the proposed Tipaimukh dam on the Barak river which may adversely affect Bangladesh, and move to resolve river waters dispute, especially the Teesta. Bangladesh and India also agreed to resolve the maritime boundary question bilaterally.

These are, however, issues on which the Bangladesh opposition pin their stand against India. While the maritime boundary may be easier to settle with give and take, there will always be space for criticism. River waters is a more difficult issue. There are 54 rivers, big and small, flowing from India to Bangladesh. Water is becoming a precious commodity. Nature cannot be predicted and the upper riparian stands to be blamed. Small problems will always remain between countries sharing common rivers and common borders. These can be managed if there is mutual trust.

It is now India’s turn to act, and act quickly. The people of Bangladesh are waiting to see the gains from this new relationship. If they are dismayed, the battle may have been won but the war lost.

Bangladesh now needs the support that can solidify relations between the largest country of the subcontinent and the most densely populated country of South Asia. South Asia can grow faster if all the countries agree to grow together. Otherwise, India can grow alone but it will be a difficult growth.

Prime Minister Hasina has staked a lot on her India initiative, and India has responded superbly. We cannot let the momentum get embroiled in bureaucratic lethargy. If this relationship is brought to fruition, and there is no reason why it should not, it would be a lesson for the rest of the region, including Pakistan. Relations must be on equality, as Prime Minister Singh indicated.

Size does not make a big brother, but a strong and friendly hand does.


The “Manmohan Singh doctrine” is in the making. But the bottom line remains: all hands must work together. Are Kathmandu and Colombo listening?

Do not bring in extraneous powers to work against each other. Learn from history. This should be the motto of SAARC.

Bhaskar Roy, who retired recently as a senior government official with decades of national and international experience, is an expert on international relations and Indian strategic interests.
 
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Have you figured out - what % of Islam is optimum?
I do not want 100% Islamic rule like Middle-East.

Saudi-Arab has it but proved as one of the silliest and stupid nation in the world. They has no contribution in this problematic earth! I know if we do not become little more strict then we can loose our identity by Indian aggression. So we need to be more Islamic minded but not want 100% Islamic rule. I want to follow a higher moderate way.
 
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