Bangladesh plans to import 1200MW from India

[gogbot]

No yaar..india doesnt have the setup...can Bangladesh provide us ????

I know what you mean, we have almost 20% power shortages in peak hours.
But here are some facts to put things in perspective

India is world's 6th largest energy consumer, accounting for 3.4% of global energy consumption. Due to India's economic rise, the demand for energy has grown at an average of 3.6% per annum over the past 30 years. In March 2009, the installed power generation capacity of India stood at 147,000 MW while the per capita power consumption stood at 612 kWH. The country's annual power production increased from about 190 billion kWH in 1986 to more than 680 billion kWH in 2006. The Indian government has set an ambitious target to add approximately 78,000 MW of installed generation capacity by 2012. The total demand for electricity in India is expected to cross 950,000 MW by 2030.

About 75% of the electricity consumed in India is generated by thermal power plants, 21% by hydroelectric power plants and 4% by nuclear power plants. More than 50% of India's commercial energy demand is met through the country's vast coal reserves. The country has also invested heavily in recent years on renewable sources of energy such as wind energy. As of 2008, India's installed wind power generation capacity stood at 9,655 MW. Additionally, India has committed massive amount of funds for the construction of various nuclear reactors which would generate at least 30,000 MW. In July 2009, India unveiled a $19 billion plan to produce 20,000 MW of solar power by 2020.

Electricity losses in India during transmission and distribution are extremely high and vary between 30 to 45%. In 2004-05, electricity demand outstripped supply by 7-11%. Due to shortage of electricity, power cuts are common throughout India and this has adversely effected the country's economic growth. Theft of electricity, common in most parts of urban India, amounts to 1.5% of India's GDP. Despite an ambitious rural electrification program, some 400 million Indians lose electricity access during blackouts. While 80 percent of Indian villages have at least an electricity line, just 44 percent of rural households have access to electricity. According to a sample of 97,882 households in 2002, electricity was the main source of lighting for 53% of rural households compared to 36% in 1993. Multi Commodity Exchange has sought permission to offer electricity future markets.

The Government of India has an ambitious mission of POWER FOR ALL BY 2012. This mission would require that the installed generation capacity should be at least 200,000 MW by 2012 from the present level of 144,564.97 MW. Power requirement will double by 2020 to 400,000MW.

How is that going, not well

India has 12% power shortage, figure may get higher: experts - Economy and Politics - livemint.com

India’s track record in adding power generating capacity is poor: in the five years to 2007, the country added 20,950MW of capacity, against a target of 41,110MW.

Well at least they have plan and are trying to implement it as best as possible.

 

[gogbot]

Hydroelectric and solar are the real bet for a country like India.
You people have an virtually unlimited source of water in the himalayas.It was said that the snow cover of himalayas is atleast a bit over 150-200mts.And it will take centuries to melt.Hence a constant supply mainly during summer when the need for electricity is more in India. You people should start building a damn like 3 gorges over there.
and then use your deserts for solar and coastal regions for wind.
a friend of mine ,has made a deal with an indian semi conductor company for solar energy.

Just take a look.

Indian electricity Generation


Grand Total Installed Capacity is 147,402.81 MW.

Thermal Power

Current installed capacity of Thermal Power (as of 12/2008) is 93,392.64 MW which is 64.7% of total installed capacity.

* Current installed base of Coal Based Thermal Power is 77,458.88 MW which comes to 53.3% of total installed base.

* Current installed base of Gas Based Thermal Power is 14,734.01 MW which is 10.5% of total installed base.

* Current installed base of Oil Based Thermal Power is 1,199.75 MW which is 0.9% of total installed base.

The state of Maharashtra is the largest producer of thermal power in the country.

Hydro Power

India was one of the pioneering states in establishing hydro-electric power plants. The power plant at Darjeeling and Shimsha (Shivanasamudra) was established in 1898 and 1902 respectively and is one of the first in Asia. The installed capacity as of 2008 was approximately 36647.76 MW. The public sector has a predominant share of 97% in this sector.

Nuclear Power

Nuclear power is the fourth-largest source of electricity in India after thermal, hydro and renewable sources of electricity.
Currently, nineteen nuclear power reactors produce 4,560.00 MW (2.9% of total installed base).

India now envisages to increase the contribution of nuclear power to overall electricity generation capacity from 4.2% to 9% within 25 years. In 2010, India's installed nuclear power generation capacity will increase to 6,000 MW. As of 2009, India stands 9th in the world in terms of number of operational nuclear power reactors and is constructing 9 more, including two EPRs being constructed by France's Areva. Indigenous atomic reactors include TAPS-3, and -4, both of which are 540 MW reactors. India's $717 million fast breeder reactor project is expected to be operational by 2010.


Renewable Power

Current installed base of Renewable energy is 13,242.41 MW which is 7.7% of total installed base with the southern state of Tamil Nadu contributing nearly a third of it (4379.64 MW) largely through wind power.

India to unveil 20GW solar target under climate plan | Reuters

 

[AVIAN]

Is India capable to supply 1200MW electricity to Bangladesh after setup their requirement?

Yes it can, since Indian power requirements are getting met through massive investment in power generation pojects of various kinds like Hydro Power projects, Coal based power projects and on top of that India is embarked upon massive use of solar energy for that matter it is on ambitious drive to attract massive FDI in Wind Energy.

 

[TopCat]

Yes it can, since Indian power requirements are getting met through massive investment in power generation pojects of various kinds like Hydro Power projects, Coal based power projects and on top of that India is embarked upon massive use of solar energy for that matter it is on ambitious drive to attract massive FDI in Wind Energy.

Do you have any more data on solar energy projects in India other than home based photo voltic system.

 

[Mister X]

Do you have any more data on solar energy projects in India other than home based photo voltic system.

World's Largest Solar Energy Project in India


Now this is a world record worth talking about!

The Business Standard is reporting that, US-based Clinton Foundation investing developing the world's lagest solar energy project in Gujarat, India. The project is currently in its planning phases, it's an 'Integrated Solar City' project with a capacity to generate 5000 megawatts (5 Gigawatts).

Over Five times the size of the current largest solar project in the world.

The project, expected to cost Rs 20,000 crore (approximately $475-million), as said its an 'Integrated Solar City', all the raw materials including glass and panels will be produced on site, bringing down the productivity cost so the power produced will cost around Rs 4 ($0.10) per unit.

The Government of Gujarat is considering a Kutch or Banaskanta as favorable lacation for this project. About five times the capacity of a typical coal or nuclear plant, this project would certainly a big step in the right direction towards the green energy. Recently prime minister Manmohan Singh announced that solar power would be a key part of his plan to deal with climate change.

The current largest solar energy project in the world is a solar thermal plant in the Mojave Desert being developed by BrightSource, with an eventual capacity of up to 900 megawatts.

India connects first solar power plant with grid

Abandoned thermal power plant is converted to 2-MW photovoltaic solar project in West Bengal.

Dishergarh Power Supply (DPSC) said today it has started operations at the first photovoltaic solar power plant to be connected to the electric grid in India.

The 2-megawatt solar project in Jamuria, West Bengal, was built at the site of an abandoned 6-MW coal-based thermal power plant. DPSC converted its 8-acre site with the help of Green Energy Development, installing 9,000 230-watt crystalline solar modules.

Although a relatively small solar plant by global standards, the companies say the solar plant is the largest in the country. India's government has set a goal to spend nearly $20 billion during the next 30 years to increase solar installations from almost nothing today to 20 gigawatts by 2020 (see India’s new climate plan aims to set 20 GW solar goal). Among its initiatives, The National Solar Mission is expected to offer a 10-year tax holiday and exemption from customs and excise duties on specific equipment and other project materials (see Inside cleantech India: Kal, Aaj aur Kal!).

The companies spent about Rs 34 crore ($7.1 million) to build the 2-MW solar plant, which is expected to generate 3 million units of electricity a year—enough to power 2,000 rural or 500 urban households. An equivalent-sized coal-based thermal power plant would generate 7 lakh metric tons (700,000 metric tons) of carbon dioxide emissions a day.

DPSC plans to buy the electricity for Rs 5 ($0.10) per unit to distribute to customers in the Asansol-Raniganj belt. The project, which is also set to receive government incentives of Rs 10 per unit, is expected to generate Rs 4.8 crore ($1 million) per year.

India's Solar Mission Projects 20 GW Of Power By 2020

The solar mission, approved recently by the government of India projects a massive expansion in installed solar capacity, and aims to reduce the price of electricity generated from solar energy to match that from fossil fuels by 2030.

The ambitious mission hopes to generate 20 GW of solar power by 2020, to be upped to 100 GW by 2030 and 200 GW by 2050.

Officials say the US$19 billion plan shows that the country is serious about its intention to stem global warming, ahead of the UN climate change conference in Copenhagen in December.

A detailed road map has been drawn up to 2020. By then, according to the mission document, solar lighting will be available for 20 million households and 42 million tonnes of CO2 emissions will be saved annually by the switch to solar energy. The government plans to create a solar fund with initial investment of $1.1 billion and build it up by taxing fossil fuels and the power generated from them 0.1 cents for every kWh produced. By 2030, it hopes to reduce the cost of electricity from photovoltaic cells to around 10 cents per kWh, matching the price of electricity derived from conventional fuels, writes Killigudi Jayaraman in Nature.

The plan will be pushed forward by a mixture of other policy and regulatory measures. Those include making it mandatory for existing thermal power plants to generate at least 5% of their capacity from solar power, and for government buildings to install photovoltaic panels on rooftops. Producers connected to the grid will be able to sell their excess solar electricity to utilities; solar-power projects get a 10-year tax holiday; and other 'carrots' for the industry include the duty-free import of raw materials and priority bank loans.

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An autonomous solar-energy authority will be created to execute the mission, but the existing solar-energy centre near New Delhi will be upgraded into an 'apex research institute' to coordinate solar-research centres across the country and promote foreign collaboration. The mission document recommends introducing solar-energy courses to the Indian Institutes of Technology, and creating a fellowship programme to train 100 Indian scientists a year in world-class institutions.

As for the costs of solar power, "technology is rapidly changing worldwide and costs will come down once photovoltaic panels are mass produced," says K. S. Narayanan, who works on polymer solar cells at the Jawaharlal Nehru Centre for Advanced Scientific Research at Bangalore. "We see incremental growth in efficiency of our solar cells in our lab, and globally the scene is changing faster," he adds.

"The solar mission is a win-win proposition as it promises to bring down air pollution, cut down oil bills, and contribute to a greener world," asserts Jayaraman Srinivasan, a climate scientist at the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore.

But some are skeptical abut the mission's chance of success. "Going from 5 MW to 20 GW in 11 years looks like science fiction," mocks Manu Sharma, at the Centre for Social Markets, a non-governmental organization based in New Delhi.

Sharma, a campaign coordinator for the UN climate change conference in Copenhagen, points out that India's ten solar-panel manufacturers together have just 80 MW of solar-panel production capacity.

One can get an idea of the vaulting ambition of the Indian planners when one realizes that at the moment the total output of power across all mediums, coal, gas and nuclear plants, amounts to only 150 GW.

 

[Contrarian]

World's Largest Solar Energy Project in India


Now this is a world record worth talking about!

The Business Standard is reporting that, US-based Clinton Foundation investing developing the world's lagest solar energy project in Gujarat, India. The project is currently in its planning phases, it's an 'Integrated Solar City' project with a capacity to generate 5000 megawatts (5 Gigawatts).

Over Five times the size of the current largest solar project in the world.

The project, expected to cost Rs 20,000 crore (approximately $475-million), as said its an 'Integrated Solar City', all the raw materials including glass and panels will be produced on site, bringing down the productivity cost so the power produced will cost around Rs 4 ($0.10) per unit.

Its not 475 million. It should be over $4 Billion.

 

[TopCat]

Its not 475 million. It should be over $4 Billion.

I doubt 5000 MW solar power can be produced for $4 billion. Publicity scam of its worst kind.

 

[idea123]

1200MW is a big chunk of electric power...
Why does BD wants to import it , when they are sitting on one of the best gas fields. Remember TATA wanted to setup a power and fertilizer plant way back in ......, but Khaleda ensured that he failed. Had that been up...BD would have ben a power surplus country ...and ....might be selling power to India today...

 

[manglasiva]

Vast amounts of clean electricity from Earth’s own heat

Most energy analysts agree that geothermal energy — tapping the heat of bedrock deep underground to generate electricity — has enormous potential because it is available all the time, almost anywhere on Earth, and there is enough of it available, in theory, to supply all of the world’s energy needs for many centuries. But there are still some unanswered questions about it that require further research. The US DoE last year awarded $336 million in grants to help resolve the remaining uncertainties, and three of those grants, totaling more than $2 million, went to MIT researchers.

Everywhere on Earth, a few miles below the surface, the bedrock is hot, and the deeper you go the hotter it gets. In some places, water heated by this hot rock comes naturally to the surface or close to it, where it can be easily tapped to drive a turbine and generate electricity.

But where naturally heated water is not available at or near the surface, this process can be recreated by drilling one very deep well to inject water into the ground, and another well nearby to pump that water back to the surface after it has been heated by passing through cracks in the hot rock. Such systems are known as Engineered Geothermal Systems, or EGS.

A 2006 report by an 18-member team led by MIT Professor Jefferson Tester (now emeritus, and working at Cornell University) found that more than 2,000 times the total annual energy use of the United States could be supplied, using existing technology, from EGS systems, and perhaps 10 times as much with improved technology.

Herbert Einstein, professor of civil and environmental engineering is developing computer programs that can aid in the evaluation of geothermal sites, assessing both the potential power output and any potential risks, such as the triggering of seismic activity. Such triggering has already resulted in the premature closing two years ago of one test installation, in Basel, Switzerland, after some minor earthquakes (the largest being magnitude 3.4) were felt in the area. The planned software is based on programs Einstein has developed to assess proposed tunnel sites and landslide risks.

As is the case with tunnel construction, a great deal of the uncertainty with EGS has to do with the kind of rock encountered in the drilling and how that rock will fracture under pressure. Einstein’s software will be adapted to address the higher pressures encountered in the very deep boreholes needed for geothermal fields. Einstein suggests that the risks from seismic triggering are largely sociological, because the events seen so far, at least, are too small to produce any serious damage.

Einstein says geothermal electricity has the potential to take the place of essentially all stationary (that is, not transportation-related) power sources. “Basically, you could replace everything that’s around,” including the “baseload” power plants that can operate at any time, unlike sources such as solar or wind power. “So that’s certainly very promising,” he says. “It’s not completely infinite, but for all practical purposes it is.”

Source: MIT News

 

[TopCat]

1200MW is a big chunk of electric power...
Why does BD wants to import it , when they are sitting on one of the best gas fields. Remember TATA wanted to setup a power and fertilizer plant way back in ......, but Khaleda ensured that he failed. Had that been up...BD would have ben a power surplus country ...and ....might be selling power to India today...

We dont have enough gas, and govt is planning to import LNG and is going to build a $1 bln dollar LNG terminal in the sea. Tata was asked to use coal, instead they were persistent on using gas with the price lower than govt itself buying or projecting to be buying. We cant subsidise Tata, when our own industry is facing acute gas shortage.

PS: Tata had a plan of producing 1000 MW and investment plan on that less than $1 bln dollar. But we need $7 bln dollar investment and 5000 MW right away.

 

[idea123]

We dont have enough gas, and govt is planning to import LNG and is going to build a $1 bln dollar LNG terminal in the sea. Tata was asked to use coal, instead they were persistent on using gas with the price lower than govt itself buying or projecting to be buying. We cant subsidise Tata, when our own industry is facing acute gas shortage.

PS: Tata had a plan of producing 1000 MW and investment plan on that less than $1 bln dollar. But we need $7 bln dollar investment and 5000 MW right away.

TATA's total investment plans were $3 Billion ( 2003-2004). Power plant was just a part of it. Fertilizer plant and other , of which I'm unaware, was also envisaged.
BTW, I feel TATA selected Singur for Nano car for it's proximity to BD.
BD could have supplied many parts and helped in keeping the cost low. Also BD could have been a market. These are just my personal thought ,TATA knows better.
Why are U importing LNG. U can buy gas directly from Mayanmar.
( with China's help,of course).
What do U say about MBI pipeline...
Note:- by MBI I mean Mayanmar-Ban'desh-India....not MBI Munshi

 

[eastwatch]

Well, the article says Bangladesh plans to import electricity from India. So I am assuming there is no contract as of yet.

Whether this trade will happen depends upon India's ability to generate sufficient electricity by 2012. Remember, we are still a developing country and we do have power shortages of our own. Plus, our domestic electricity demand is increasing at a rapid rate.

I don't think this deal can go through with our current electricity. infrastructure. We need to increase power output in India.

The present per capita installed capacities of power production are as follows: BD 25 watt, India 95 watt and Pakistan 140 watt. BD agriculture and industrial outputs are suffering due to this shortage of power.

Indian power output at 95 watt per head is not that high, but even then India is in a position to supply us a few hundred megawatt of power from its NE, although 1200 mw seems to me a little too optimistic.

BD is taking all steps to build new power plants and to raise its power production, but an interim supply from India will certainly help BD. However, it will be a mistake for SH to make us dependent upon India for a long time. BD population must resist that.

 

[TopCat]

TATA's total investment plans were $3 Billion ( 2003-2004). Power plant was just a part of it. Fertilizer plant and other , of which I'm unaware, was also envisaged.
BTW, I feel TATA selected Singur for Nano car for it's proximity to BD.
BD could have supplied many parts and helped in keeping the cost low. Also BD could have been a market. These are just my personal thought ,TATA knows better.
Why are U importing LNG. U can buy gas directly from Mayanmar.
( with China's help,of course).
What do U say about MBI pipeline...
Note:- by MBI I mean Mayanmar-Ban'desh-India....not MBI Munshi

Yes I was talking about the part of the investment plan only which were planned for power plants.
TATA selected Singur not targeting Bangladesh and I never heard of any such ideas. Besides Nano will not have any market in Bangladesh and Bangladesh cant supply any parts whatsoever and what made you think BD parts would be cheaper than India parts when we dont even have iron ore.
BD needs huge amount of gas and Myanmar does not have that much, besides MBI pipeline plan is still on the table and can only be materialized when Myanmars finds more gas after resolving sea boundary dispute with Bangladesh. The only quick alternative is to import LNG.

 

[TopCat]

The present per capita installed capacities of power production are as follows: BD 25 watt, India 95 watt and Pakistan 140 watt. BD agriculture and industrial outputs are suffering due to this shortage of power.

Indian power output at 95 watt per head is not that high, but even then India is in a position to supply us a few hundred megawatt of power from its NE, although 1200 mw seems to me a little too optimistic.

BD is taking all steps to build new power plants and to raise its power production, but an interim supply from India will certainly help BD. However, it will be a mistake for SH to make us dependent upon India for a long time. BD population must resist that.

You did not calculate captive powers as most of our industry uses their own power and huge amount of work had been done on solar system in the rural areas. so per capita power production is not as low as you mentioned.

 

[eastwatch]

You did not calculate captive powers as most of our industry uses their own power and huge amount of work had been done on solar system in the rural areas. so per capita power production is not as low as you mentioned.

Captive power cannot be the main source of electricity. But, in BD it has been forced by the govt to the industries. Govt should have built power plants and produce more electricity. In all the dveloped coutries, the industries have their own generators. But, these are all standby. Only in case of emergency these standby generators are used.

Heavy industries cannot be operated by small power generators. BD needs more power plants to cope with the shortage.