Bangladesh permits India to withdraw water from Feni river

[Species]

First choose an alternative and then laugh . Otherwise too much laugh is not healthy . I do not care who is in power . I just care about some basic needs and now peoples are getting .

Alternative to what? AL cannot be an alternative to BNP and BNP cannot be an alternative to AL. The only way to keep these two evils in check is democracy.

How would you define basic needs and again, how did you come to this conclusion that people are now receiving all the basic needs? Then why are we seeing mass protests one after another? What's your opinion on the destroyed judiciary of the country and the culture of impunity? And what would you say about the growing unemployment among educated youth of the country? Or the rising inequality?

I am not saying that AL is firishta . It's your assumption because you can not see anything beyond BNP and AL . So perhaps the discussion will lose it's track if we starts.

I just chose the lesser evil for now . However during Fakhruddin regime , both BNP and AL mobs were punished by military. However fakhruddin govt was the best govt IMHO.

I will speak for democracy , but let them make a better democratic atmosphere . I hope you can use your wisdom to know who are they .

In reality there were never any pure democracy in Bangladesh . All election were rigged in a certain degree . Perhaps 1996 election was only one that was free from rigging .
Better ask the military . No civilian can answer it correctly . How many army matters are open in Bangladesh ? most are secrete.

This question was already answered .

Indeed , but the real democracy from west . Not such thing that was in Bangladesh .

Without democracy China is doing Much better . With democracy the life of Bangladeshi common folks were less than dog . Atleast extreme poverty had reduced And only hungry peoples know that democracy ( Bangladeshi version ) is not going to digest in their belly . And also 16/16 hours loadshedding is not very healthy . Besides the time of BNP there was also no freedom of speech , neither it is now . So freedom of speech concept is not relevant in Bangladesh . So all logic related to previous democracy actually never existed in Bangladesh , so by default such logic is cancelled .

I have no problem with AL until other parties can be stronger who will not act like BNP . If we desire democracy before we are ready , it will only bring back the past days of horror!

And present days BCL dogs are already tamed in a certain degree. Dogs of BCL are already fired , and the dogs who murdered Abrar are already detained . I can not remember such thing during BNP regime , where they are taking action against their own folks .

AL is doing so . That's all .

There are several discrepancies in your argument.

You have accepted that AL has its own faults yet you support an authoritarian govt. (which only provides the govt. with even more power) under AL, how is it within the national interests of the country? Now, hypothetically, suppose AL signs a treaty of accession to India, what would be your proposed measures to prevent such an action?

I get the feeling that you have a misconception that this govt. is backed by military, hence, military will keep it in check. This is clearly a false hope and the generals are all handpicked by Hasina herself. I would write about military in details later on.

Second, you have brought the example of China to support authoritarianism in Bangladesh yet you have completely ignored the differences between CCP and AL in terms of their organization, discipline, culture and even party constitution. Xi Jinping's rise to power is not based on his family background rather his own merit.

The relation between BNP and AL is that all these ideas of curbing freedom of speech, extra-judicial killing were sowed by BNP and AL not only carried on these ideas but even stepped up their game. Now this is why I said these two cannot be an alternative to each other. Even if you want a third option, you need to provide sufficient space to let that third option to emerge. You think an authoritarian govt. would provide that?

Overall, your logic is that since we had a flawed democracy, it's better to abandon it but you are not inclined to let it evolve itself or to try for making it better. So whenever there is a headache you would just cut the head?

 

[VikingRaider]

@Species, do you remember 15 February 1996 election? How long BNP survived? And after 2014 ( same type of election) AL is surviving. What is your opinion on it? Why BNP was unable to throw out this govt even after series of violences and arson attacks? Care to explain me before I answer you?

 

[Species]

@Species, do you remember 15 February 1996 election? How long BNP survived? And after 2014 ( same type of election) AL is surviving. What is your opinion on it? Why BNP was unable to throw out this govt even after series of violences and arson attacks? Care to explain me before I answer you?

There are numerous threads on this forum itself about the details of what happened in 2013-14 and how AL survived it. You can dig them yourself. My feeling is that even if I explain it to you, you will remain in denial. Or if you want to suggest AL only survived because of economic growth (which was about 6% at that time, average since 2004), consider my reply as the "lol" emoji.

 

[VikingRaider]

There are numerous threads on this forum itself about the details of what happened in 2013-14 and how AL survived it.

So threads of pdf and it's discussions should be the concrete evidences of how AL survived! Okay understand now!

My feeling is that even if I explain it to you, you will remain in denial.


Or if you want to suggest AL only survived because of economic growth (which was about 6% at that time, average since 2004), consider my reply as the "lol" emoji.

I really appreciate your intutiveness now, honestly speaking!

And that's why,

I get the feeling that you have a misconception that this govt. is backed by military, hence, military will keep it in check. This is clearly a false hope and the generals are all handpicked by Hasina herself. I would write about military in details later on.

I will be waiting to be enlightened from your details about military recruitment process, about intelligences and also about how easily Hasina can sell Bangladesh and military just watch without protesting! Please don't forget to tag me when you write the brilliant article.

 

[Species]

So threads of pdf and it's discussion is standard for how AL survived! Okay understand now!

Frankly, yes, because such discussions won't be allowed in the Bangladeshi media or even in the social media. That is precisely why you are still following this forum even after taking the pain of using a VPN. But still, gonotontro nipat jak!

I really appreciate your intutiveness, honestly speaking!

Oh, electricity then?

Btw, Atlas, I'm still waiting for your answers to my questions above. You can always ignore them if you want. And I simply have no problem with being a supporter of a political party. However, what I expect is a minimum sense of realization that we could be wrong in our opinions and accepting criticism will only make us better. This is one area where we as a nation seriously need to improve and a lot of the problems we are facing at the moment stem from this very reason.

I will be waiting to be enlightened from your details. Please don't forget to tag me when you write

Sure, in a relevant context. Feel free to open a thread if you want.

 

[VikingRaider]

Sure, in a relevant context. Feel free to open a thread if you want.

Nah, you please open such thread. But please bring concrete evidences! Honestly I will change my mind if you can bring concrete evidences!

Btw, Atlas, I'm still waiting for your answers to my questions above. You can always ignore them if you want. And I simply have no problem with being a supporter of a political party. However, what I expect is a minimum sense of realization that we could be wrong in our opinions and accepting criticism will only make us better. This is one area where we as a nation seriously need to improve and a lot of the problems we are facing at the moment stem from this very reason.

Actually it's not that I am ignoring your questions. But the real problem is this discussion is never going to end!

Well yes electricity is indeed A major achievement of AL. But that's not enough for many folks I think, because it's human nature that they forget physical pain. In AL era, many people post Facebook status and that is, " in summer, 1 hour electricity off, I am boiled".

Mistakenly never remember that the load shedding was minimum 14/15 hours every day in most of areas. So probably such development won't have any effect on many. And by the way development of many areas of AL is noticeable, yet perhaps it's not enough, since most of Bangladeshis actually led by emotion or hujuk, and any good work easily ignored here and only bad work remembered, that's why I said that we are not ready for pure democracy yet.

If any experiment will be done again, conditions can be worse than before. So I am against it now. It's not that I am AL supporter, but just supporting this stability where I don't have to see hartal and destruction, and yes of course no load shedding.
@Species

 

[Species]

Nah I have no interest of opening such thread. You can open and write to enlightened people if you like! But please bring concrete evidences! But honestly I will change my mind if you can bring concrete evidences!


Actually it's not that I am ignoring your questions. But the real problem is this discussion is never going to end!

Well yes electricity is indeed A major achievement of AL. But that's not enough for many folks I think, because it's human nature that they forget physical pain. In AL era, many people post Facebook status and that is, " in summer, 1 hour electricity off, I am boiled".

Mistakenly never remember that the load shedding was minimum 14/15 hours every day in most of areas. So probably such development won't have any effect on many. And by the way development of many areas of AL is noticeable, yet perhaps it's not enough, since most of Bangladeshis actually led by emotion or hujuk, and any good work easily ignored here and only bad work remembered, that's why I said that we are not ready for pure democracy yet.

If any experiment will be done again, conditions can be worse than before. So I am against it now. It's not that I am AL supporter, but just supporting this stability where I don't have to see hartal and destruction, and yes of course no load shedding.
@Species

The progress in electricity generation is surely an achievement for AL which I have never doubted but why we do we need to forget all its nefarious actions just based on this achievement?

Sikkim was an LDC before its accession to India but now it's producing surplus electricity. If you were a Sikkimese would you remain content only with this electricity generation figures?

Stability could be disrupted through just a single trivial incident like what happened in Tunisia in 2011. What we have now is a vulnerable stability and to ensure its sustainability we need to think long-term.

Again Atlas, you have conveniently ignored my questions and trying to divert the discussion.

 

[VikingRaider]

How would you define basic needs and again, how did you come to this conclusion that people are now receiving all the basic needs

I wanted to say that extreme poverty is reduced. And there is no real definition of basic needs. Food, shelter, treatment, basic education, necessary cloths are major basic needs. And it's not that everyone is getting it. But extreme poverty is reduced.

Then why are we seeing mass protests one after another?

Because govt isn't trying to suppress the protest of common folks like the former govt, unless protests are infected by political opposition( At least govt claimed that they have intelligence report about how opposition try to take advantage to create anarchy, further explanation is only possible after your writing on military ) .

And what would you say about the growing unemployment among educated youth of the country? Or the rising inequality?

Perhaps @UKBengali can answer it better. @UKBengali please write your opinion. I don't think I can answer this question of @Species properly.

But I think industrialization is necessary to reduce unemployment . Also vocational training. Because without technical education it's hard for people to manage job nowadays. I think govt should focus on it. Also corruption should be reduced and govt is already taking action against them. They started in their own house and then targeted administration. But in order to build a prosperous Bangladesh, they need time. Rome was not built in a day! And govt now just became stable only after 2015. So it's been 4 years, and it's too short time to change a total society. Corruption is inside everywhere and everything in Bangladesh and it's not easy to wash away overnight. But finally govt started massive anti corruption movement.

What's your opinion on the destroyed judiciary of the country and the culture of impunity?

It was never different in Bangladesh since it's birth.

And finally

I get the feeling that you have a misconception that this govt. is backed by military, hence, military will keep it in check. This is clearly a false hope and the generals are all handpicked by Hasina herself. I would write about military in details later on.

This and

Even if you want a third option, you need to provide sufficient space to let that third option to emerge. You think an authoritarian govt. would provide that?

These answers can only be given when you write something about my misconceptions and also how military became pawn of Hasina ( as you claimed) bla bla bla..... . Only then I will write a comment. Otherwise not!

Again Atlas, you have conveniently ignored my questions and trying to divert the discussion.

Okay now I tried to answer your questions! I will not go further until you are answering my question about how AL survived after 2014. And also after your writing on military where you will prove my feelings faulty! Thanks.

Frankly, yes, because such discussions won't be allowed in the Bangladeshi media or even in the social media. That is precisely why you are still following this forum even after taking the pain of using a VPN. But still, gonotontro nipat jak!

Frankly @Species, how much active you are on Facebook? Facebook is full of govt bashing writings, debates, so I am wondering why do you think that?

Btw, I found this forum a good place to kill free times, Facebook always suc.ks and I basically use Facebook only to communicate with my own people ( like relatives, friends, etc) , and I never write anything on any ones post, even mostly don't like aka any react. Because the discussion is too dirty and full of abusive language against govt, BNP, Pakistan, India, in short opposite opinion , that I feel puke. So Facebook is not the right place to share my opinions I guess. So this forum help me killing my free times.

But I can give my opinion in the walls of Facebook activitists, but as I say, I feel too dirty, when their followers repeatedly use profane language to anyone who's differ any side. You probably understand that BNP and AL type mudslinging is not for gentlemen!

So who said that there is no freedom of speech in Bangladesh? I sometimes feel that freedom of speech is too much. So better it should be bridled in a certain degree, so that such profanity ends.

Ps: case of Abrar is very different! I am surprised that why such simple speech take his life? Is it to show Bangladesh as intolerant country by enemies? There are some rumors. Remember some chain fireworks in various areas few days ago? What if anyone say that a specific group want to push govt to awkward situation by destabilize the current stability?

The same thing happened during bangabandhu regime and shaked Bangladesh and later he became martyr by bad men!

I believe ground reality is completely different than we talk in safe living room!

 

[Realtalk108]

Lmao your mates here wouldn’t agree xD

Indians? They can think whatever they want. All I am seeing is a 4,000 km long fence along the entire border just to stop the odd economic migrant from coming in. That tells me all that I need to know .

 

[Michael Corleone]

Indians? They can think whatever they want. All I am seeing is a 4,000 km long fence along the entire border just to stop the odd economic migrant from coming in. That tells me all that I need to know .

And yet your measly cheap Indian made barriers can’t stop em xD

 

[Realtalk108]

And yet your measly cheap Indian made barriers can’t stop em xD

BD is and will remain dirt poor in the foreseeable future. As such a steady trickle of migrants is inevitable.

 

[VikingRaider]

BD is and will remain dirt poor in the foreseeable future.

How do you know that? Using astrology?

 

[Michael Corleone]

BD is and will remain dirt poor in the foreseeable future. As such a steady trickle of migrants is inevitable.

As long as your people don’t have to shit on the beaches, we will gladly remain poor

 

[Arthur]

If anybody here thinks India will ever stop dadagirir with BD, he is living in even a bigger fools paradise.

Read back on history. In last thousands of years they never stopped picking pickle with the 'Bangla' & even thousands of years down the line they never will.

 

[VikingRaider]

If anybody here thinks India will ever stop dadagirir with BD, he is living in even a bigger fools paradise.

Read back on history. In last thousands of years they never stopped picking pickle with the 'Bangla' & even thousands of years down the line they never will.

But what is the solution man ? Can you please write you opinion about Hasina permit India to set radar in our beaches ? I am too much frutrated . Can India spy on us with those radars ?If they can then what is the reason Military did not protest ?

@Arthur