Bangladesh: No longer in India’s shadow

[Bengal71]

War is still on going, nowadays war is not fought with weapons, Spies fought wars these days. There was no war between USA and Soviet , yet Soviet was broken via Pakistan and Afghanistan. Certainly not the firishta's of Badr helped the Afghans as some people claim. It was CIA firishta's who pretended to be the firishta of badr and helped Afghans against Soviet.

Nobody was talking about covert warfare. Read my post first.

 

[Tom-tom]

One more thing, western hegemony only started after industrial revolution. On the other hand Chinese has 5000 years old continuous rich history.

Muslim from the time of Rasullah (PBUH) to the destruction or ottoman empire was very rich.

So we shouldn't give west to much importance. Just look at the past days, before few days they were even not civilised!

We should follow the way of Pakistan. Pakistan is iron ally of China, still they are not the enemy of west.

Also there are many other ways to keep the pace of development, we can find it. We just need a corruption free Bangladesh.

Only reason, Pakistan has nukes.

 

[VikingRaider]

Only reason, Pakistan has nukes.

Iran doesn't have NUKE. Still they are enemy of west. NUKE isn't necessary, but dignity and backbone is necessary.

 

[VikingRaider]

BD especially Hasina and her cohorts are not partially but completely in India's camp and by extension the US.

Don't judge Bangladesh with your imagination. You are far from reality.

Hasina was never in Indian camp contrary to popular belief.

But yes, a strong portion of BAL is in Indian camp. But day by day they are declining.

Keep in mind that it's India who is now trying to change Hasina regime in Bangladesh. That's the reason drama after drama happened in vaccine issue. All are raw arrangement to destabilise Bangladesh.

Some super a.sshole in Bangladesh even troll in FB that why do India need raw agents to get vaccine deal , if Delhi want ,they can get details via phone calls. But the reality is ,things aren't as easy as it looks like.

Pro chinese ( necessarily pro Bangladeshi part) part is now more powerful, and thankfully China has the stronger influence on Dhaka.

Bangladesh and India will be the bitterest enemy instead of India and Pakistan in near future, mark my words.

 

[SpaceMan18]

Americans and Europeans don't even know who you are. Half of them think Bangladesh is in sub-Saharan Africa.

Same thing with China , what's the dam difference ?

 

[SpaceMan18]

One more thing, western hegemony only started after industrial revolution. On the other hand Chinese has 5000 years old continuous rich history.

Muslim from the time of Rasullah (PBUH) to the destruction or ottoman empire was very rich.

So we shouldn't give west to much importance. Just look at the past days, before few days they were even not civilised!

We should follow the way of Pakistan. Pakistan is iron ally of China, still they are not the enemy of west.

Also there are many other ways to keep the pace of development, we can find it. We just need a corruption free Bangladesh.

Lmao siding with China will be the biggest mistake , the West will make sure BD suffers in the long run while China puts us into a debt trap and India will go full hell on us.

Joining China is stupid , staying neutral is the way

No matter how many still try to deny , the west or America specifically is still and will be for the foreseeable future a superpower and at the top cause America has talent from all around the world while China even til this day still copies a lot although they innovate a tiny bit.

BD needs the West to develop , the West gave you tech in the first place so

 

[VikingRaider]

China puts us into a debt trap

It's Indian narrative, so not convincing.

Joining China is stupid , staying neutral is the way

I am not asking to join China. I just have been saying since ages and that is , if we have no other option but to join one side , we should join China and not quad that's all.

 

[SpaceMan18]

It's Indian narrative, so not convincing.

I am not asking to join China. I just have been saying since ages and that is , if we have no other option but to join one side , we should join China and not quad that's all.

Again the second the U.S realizes we joined with China slightly , we're screwed

 

[casual]

Again the second the U.S realizes we joined with China slightly , we're screwed

In the current geopolitical climate where there's two powers aiming for influence, it's best to go back and forth between the two but never joining any. The master at this is the Philippines president where every few months he puts out some ridiculous statement that's either very pro China or pro US. Yes, both China and the US knows what his game is but will still pump billions into the country to keep appearances. Not saying this is the best path for BD specifically but the Philippines is currently the best at baiting investment out of the geopolitical climate.

Tho BD is not as important as the Philippines to the US and China so results vary.

 

[Bilal9]

Again the second the U.S realizes we joined with China slightly , we're screwed

China's market is as large as that of the US (or soon, larger). That "soon" will take another 5 years.

We have duty free access to China's market for a whole slew of products. That was a privilege given to us by Chinese Govt.

As far as export market access (I assume this is what you're driving at) the US is not top dog for us anymore, though they still remain an extremely large market with a voracious appetite for consumer goods like shoes and apparel.

China used to be competitive with us on apparel, but they had moved rapidly upmarket at least a decade ago - and their rates for garments labor is at least three times as much as ours now. That makes us (as well as Laos and Cambodia) suppliers to their apparel market.

I could be wrong - but at some point in the near future, Chinese market for our exports will become as large or larger than our exports to the US. Ditto for some other products. Maybe @Homo Sapiens and @UKBengali bhais can correct me - if I am wrong.

I am sure our FM and PM have looked at the future comparison between China/US and weighed things for best approach (and that of course, not today, but a decade or two decades down the line).

If we can develop both markets, fine and dandy.

Hopefully it does not develop into an either/or proposition for us.

And to interject, India cares more and has more stakes about Bangladesh joining the QUAD (and is worried far more about it), than US ever will.

In the current geopolitical climate where there's two powers aiming for influence, it's best to go back and forth between the two but never joining any. The master at this is the Philippines president where every few months he puts out some ridiculous statement that's either very pro China or pro US. Yes, both China and the US knows what his game is but will still pump billions into the country to keep appearances. Not saying this is the best path for BD specifically but the Philippines is currently the best at baiting investment out of the geopolitical climate.

Tho BD is not as important as the Philippines to the US and China so results vary.

Geopolitical importance is not what Bangladesh is aiming for AFAIK. It is not relevant, except when we are saddled with a refugee problem such as influx of Rohingyas from Myanmar.

The govt. is worried about FDI, to some extent, but they are also more worried about increasing/diversifying exports and keeping their citizens gainfully employed, which helps avoid social disruption and instability. That said, the amount of Chinese investments in Bangladesh is around $40 Billion in just the past five years.

The main contractors of most multi-Billion dollar mega-projects in Bangladesh (both infra and powerplants) are from China (such as China Major Bridge Engg. and Sina-Hydro).

During COVID (2019/20) - Bangladesh economy still grew at 5.2% and 2021/22 the economy will grow at 6.8%. While the Philippines economy contracted about 9% during 2019/20, like many other countries (India included). This points to the strong economic fundamentals in use in Bangladesh and the resiliency of the economy.

Our GDP per capita is lower than the Philippines of course, but it is higher than India now. India however - is not (and cannot be) our benchmark.

Both countries have impoverished people by the millions and their GINI coefficients (measure of unequal development) is roughly the same, around 40%.

So - a long road ahead.

 

[VikingRaider]

China's market is as large as that of the US (or soon, larger). That "soon" will take another 5 years.

We have duty free access to China's market for a whole slew of products. That was a privilege given to us by Chinese Govt.

As far as export market access (I assume this is what you're driving at) the US is not top dog for us anymore, though they still remain an extremely large market with a voracious appetite for consumer goods like shoes and apparel.

China used to be competitive with us on apparel, but they had moved rapidly upmarket at least a decade ago - and their rates for garments labor is at least three times as much as ours now. That makes us (as well as Laos and Cambodia) suppliers to their apparel market.

I could be wrong - but at some point in the near future, Chinese market for our exports will become as ;arge or larger than our exports to the US. Ditto for some other products. Maybe @Homo Sapiens and @UKBengali bhais can correct me - if I am wrong.

I am sure our FM and PM have looked at the future comparison between China/US and weighed things for best approach (and that of course, not today, but a decade or two decades down the line).

If we can develop both markets, fine and dandy.

Hopefully it does not develop into an either/or proposition for us.

And to interject, India cares more and has more stakes about Bangladesh joining the QUAD (and is worried far more about it), than US ever will.


Geopolitical importance is not what Bangladesh is aiming for AFAIK.

The govt. is worried about FDI, to some extent, but they are also more worried about increasing/diversifying exports and keeping their citizens gainfully employed, which helps avoid social disruptions and instability.

Whole heartedly agree @Bilal9 bhai, all are just my words that you explained nicely.

 

[VikingRaider]

Again the second the U.S realizes we joined with China slightly , we're screwed

Us already knows that although Bangladesh is playing neutral, but it actually in Chinese favour. That's the reason when Chinese ambasador said something about joining QUAD (later said sorry and said that he failed to explain due to his linguistic limitation) usa released another statement thah how they treat Bangladesh as equal ally.

Diplomacy doesn't work as you are saying.

The World is not an easy place. Here you can't sanction anyone if you want. Even when usa successfully want to sanction it's arch enemy Iran, still other usa allies don't accept it fully.

So your concern doesn't look very realistic.

Besides if usa do so, then it will be an evidence that they aren't capable of leading the global empire , hence it will back fire to them.

It's not like BNP or BAL where leadership enjoy the position of a deity.

 

[SpaceMan18]

Us already knows that although Bangladesh is playing neutral, but it actually in Chinese favour. That's the reason when Chinese ambasador said something about joining QUAD (later said sorry and said that he failed to explain due to his linguistic limitation) usa released another statement thah how they treat Bangladesh as equal ally.

Diplomacy doesn't work as you are saying.

The World is not an easy place. Here you can't sanction anyone if you want. Even when usa successfully want to sanction it's arch enemy Iran, still other usa allies don't accept it fully.

So your concern doesn't look very realistic.

Besides if usa do so, then it will be an evidence that they aren't capable of leading the global empire , hence it will back fire to them.

It's not like BNP or BAL where leadership enjoy the position of a deity.

Iran has importance due to oil , what importance does BD have ? Vietnam is more important than BD and U.S can easily sanction BD if it wanted to anyways.

Sanctioning BD will not backfire on America cause what will BD due ? BD ain't gonna do shit lol

I don't want BD to become another Chinese puppet in the region nor an Indian or American puppet

 

[Bilal9]

Whole heartedly agree @Bilal9 bhai, all are just my words that you explained nicely.

Thanks Bhai. Appreciate your kind words...

 

[SpaceMan18]

China's market is as large as that of the US (or soon, larger). That "soon" will take another 5 years.

We have duty free access to China's market for a whole slew of products. That was a privilege given to us by Chinese Govt.

As far as export market access (I assume this is what you're driving at) the US is not top dog for us anymore, though they still remain an extremely large market with a voracious appetite for consumer goods like shoes and apparel.

China used to be competitive with us on apparel, but they had moved rapidly upmarket at least a decade ago - and their rates for garments labor is at least three times as much as ours now. That makes us (as well as Laos and Cambodia) suppliers to their apparel market.

I could be wrong - but at some point in the near future, Chinese market for our exports will become as ;arge or larger than our exports to the US. Ditto for some other products. Maybe @Homo Sapiens and @UKBengali bhais can correct me - if I am wrong.

I am sure our FM and PM have looked at the future comparison between China/US and weighed things for best approach (and that of course, not today, but a decade or two decades down the line).

If we can develop both markets, fine and dandy.

Hopefully it does not develop into an either/or proposition for us.

And to interject, India cares more and has more stakes about Bangladesh joining the QUAD (and is worried far more about it), than US ever will.


Geopolitical importance is not what Bangladesh is aiming for AFAIK. It is not relevant, except when we are saddled with a refugee problem such as influx of Rohingyas from Myanmar.

The govt. is worried about FDI, to some extent, but they are also more worried about increasing/diversifying exports and keeping their citizens gainfully employed, which helps avoid social disruption and instability. That said, the amount of Chinese investments in Bangladesh is around $40 Billion in just the past five years.

The main contractors of most multi-Billion dollar mega-projects in Bangladesh (both infra and powerplants) are from China (such as China Major Bridge Engg. and Sina-Hydro).

During COVID (2019/20) - Bangladesh economy still grew at 5.2% and 2021/22 the economy will grow at 6.8%. While the Philippines economy contracted about 9% during 2019/20, like many other countries (India included). This points to the strong economic fundamentals in use in Bangladesh and the resiliency of the economy.

Our GDP per capita is lower than the Philippines of course, but it is higher than India now. India however - is not (and cannot be) our benchmark.

Both countries have impoverished people by the millions and their GINI coefficients (measure of unequal development) is roughly the same, around 40%.

So - a long road ahead.

True I guess , but the more you don't make your own infrastructure the more dependent you will be on foreign nations. We cannot let foreign nations make our dam infrastructure we ain't the UAE , China does have a great market we can utilize if BD gets it's S*it together.

But I feel the more we try to side with China for business the more we have to deal with a hostile India backed by America. We have to be ready

If BD actually cares for development it should immediately industrialize and start making it's own infrastructure to machines.

A self sufficient BD is a good BD , a foreign dependent one is a weak BD

But yeah I guess our main customer might be China in the future