Bangladesh Navy

[bigbossman]

Let's talk about Bangladesh Navy Submarine...

 

[Michael Corleone]

Our boats are outdated. Good enough to train crews for future but not for a war.
Too damn loud... armament is bleak, sensors, fire control, isn't up to the mark.
Sometimes I think we gave away China 2.2billion dollars.
Pakistan is getting 5subs from france for 8 billion dollars. With AIP, so that's freaking advanced and it's not being implemented in nuclear subs too...
Boasting about Ming class subs is a bad idea. Good start off base though. Let's hope that 2 more of some other class is a true plan

 

[Russell]

Sometimes I think we gave away China 2.2billion dollars.
Pakistan is getting 5subs from france for 8 billion dollars. With AIP, so that's freaking advanced and it's not being implemented in nuclear subs too...

We're buying 2 subs for $200mil...let that sink in.

There is no comparison to be made with what India or Pakistan purchase for BILLIONS. Look at their military experience, expenditure and their strategic issues.

Are these subs going to be super stealthy? NO.

Are they going to win us any battles? NO.


But, they'll get us going in terms of experience and the ability to at least extend our range of patrolling and deter others from having a complete free for all in our waters.

 

[Michael Corleone]

We're buying 2 subs for $200mil...let that sink in.

There is no comparison to be made with what India or Pakistan purchase for BILLIONS. Look at their military expenditure and their strategic issues.

Are these subs going to be super stealthy? NO.

Are they going to win us any battles? NO.


But, they'll get us going in terms of experience and the ability to at least extend our range of patrolling and deter others from having a complete free for all in our waters.

Wait weren't they paying installments from 2008- till 2015? 200mil u sure? Can you provide me a link

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Our boats are outdated. Good enough to train crews for future but not for a war.
Too damn loud... armament is bleak, sensors, fire control, isn't up to the mark.
Sometimes I think we gave away China 2.2billion dollars.
Pakistan is getting 5subs from france for 8 billion dollars. With AIP, so that's freaking advanced and it's not being implemented in nuclear subs too...
Boasting about Ming class subs is a bad idea. Good start off base though. Let's hope that 2 more of some other class is a true plan

Nope..
Pakistan has 3 Agosta 90Bs with MESMA AIP (being upgraded by Turkey) and 2 older upgraded Agosta 70s.

Pak is buying 8 AIP subs from China.. These will be Pak tailored variants and probably like our other systems also host European subsystems.. Turkish aswell maybe..

 

[Russell]

Wait weren't they paying installments from 2008- till 2015? 200mil u sure? Can you provide me a link

http://www.security-risks.com/secur...ladesh-navys-ming-class-subs-coming-2595.html

and the article below goes towards, why we're buying these and what our plans for the future are....these are being bought essentially as 'training subs'.

In 2016, Bangladesh expects to receive two Ming III-class diesel-electric submarines from China. These are heavily improved redesigns of the Romeo-class submarines introduced by the Soviet Union in 1957, each with a

Two Ming III-class submarines (pictured) will join the Bangladeshi fleet in 2016
submerged displacement of approximately 2,110 tonnes. These will be employed principally as training vessels; Bangladesh has not previously boasted a submarine fleet of its own. The apparent intent is to subsequently acquire more advanced diesel-electric submarines from either Russia or South Korea. A likely contender, given the capabilities and size of the Ming III-class, is the Chang Bogo-class submarine, which South Korea-based Daewoo Industries is exporting for use by the Indonesian Navy.
http://cimsec.org/bangladesh-and-asias-maritime-balance/20363

 

[Michael Corleone]

http://www.security-risks.com/secur...ladesh-navys-ming-class-subs-coming-2595.html

and the article below goes towards, why we're buying these and what our plans for the future are....these are being bought essentially as 'training subs'.

Alright thanks.
Btw heard that the subs are coming end of the year. True or false? Hasina was saying that.
Don't you think it's a bad bargain...?
Is it as rusted as that one in the pic or similar to the one above

 

[Russell]

Alright thanks.
Btw heard that the subs are coming end of the year. True or false? Hasina was saying that.
Don't you think it's a bad bargain...?
Is it as rusted as that one in the pic or similar to the one above

Not sure if they'll be delivered by the end of the year or not....Of course they're not going to be rusted. We aren't actually getting subs made in the 50's!

Type 035G: Program begun in 1985, and the first unit with pennant number 356 was launched in 1989, entering service in December 1990, and state certification received in 1993.

So, the 1st Typ 35G entered service in 1990 and didn't receive certification until 1993. These aren't state of the art, but they aren't rust buckets

As for being a bad deal? When you look at the purpose they are being purchased for and the price...I don't think so.

Type 039 subs from China are supposedly priced at around $250mil-325mil each. These were commissioned in 1998....so, you can see the price discrepancy.

*I am not an expert.

 

[mb444]

These subs are good enough.... I would rather have these than none at all.... any sub however old is hard to detect and destroy .... and we aren't exactly going against the US here

 

[Michael Corleone]

any sub however old is hard to detect and destroy

Wrong

 

[kobiraaz]

Guys Years back I asked Admin to create Sticky thread on Army Navy and Air. I wanted members to open threads in non sticky section and sharee the link here. So the threads are never lost and can be explored from sticky threads. However, It didn't happen..And These sticky threads turned into large threads with discussion , ultimately making it difficult to explore the desired topic.

 

[mb444]

Wrong

You are free to believe what you want....

A sub can hide very easily.... to effectively detect a sub you need to create a detection zone which even with sub surface and surface assets combined can only ever be a narrow one and sustained temporarily.

The noise level of a sub is an issue.... noisier is easier to detect ...... but these are academic descussions..... neutralising a sub however old is not easy.... a sub is an excellent weapons platform precisely because however good ones countermeasures they are not particularly effective because underwater it is not easy to detect, target and effectively hit a sub.

 

[Bilal9]

Image credits: Fincantieri

The first Minerva class corvettes, decommissioned by the Italian Navy, have been converted

Fincantieri has delivered today at its shipyard in Muggiano, La Spezia the first two units part of the supply contract of four Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV), to the Bangladesh Coast Guard (BCG), through the upgrading and conversion of the Minerva class corvettes, decommissioned by the Italian Navy. These are the Minerva and Sibilla vessels, renamed Syed Nazrul and Tajuddin, which have been retired from the national fleet in May 2015 and shortly after arrived at Fincantieri’s dock in Genova, where the upgrading and conversion activities started. The units have been completed at the naval shipyard in La Spezia.

Attending the ceremony, among others, Md. Mozammel Haque Khan, Senior Secretary of the Ministry of Home Affairs of the People’s Republic of Bangladesh, Rear Adm. AMMM Aurangzeb Chowdhury, Commander in Chief of the Bangladesh Coast Guard, while Fincantieri was represented by Alberto Maestrini, Deputy General Manager and Senior Vice President Naval Vessels. Present for the Italian Navy, the Logistics Commander, Vice Admiral Donato Marzano and the MARINA NORD Commander, Rear Admiral Roberto Camerini.

In keeping with the Bangladeshi tradition, the signing of the ships’ delivery was preceded by the reading of a passage of the Koran.

Together with Urania and Danaide, scheduled for delivery next year after the same upgrading and conversion activities, these vessels will form the backbone of the Bangladesh Coast Guard’s fleet, with an extension of the lifespan by more than 20 years.

The units will be used to patrol the country's maritime boundaries and traffic in its Exclusive Economic Zone, with capabilities to contain environmental pollution and to rescue and assist civilians in the case of humanitarian emergencies. This contract confirms, therefore, the ability of Fincantieri – the only one among the suppliers of naval vessels – to offer tailor-made solutions for every Navy and Coast Guard, according to individual needs and characteristics, by developing new projects or, alternatively, thanks to the precious support of the Italian Navy, by performing in-depth and strict refitting process on second-hand units.

Within the development of Fincantieri business in the Far East, this agreement is moreover particularly relevant for the supply of after-sales services for naval vessels, because it allows to provide a full range of services for both the platform and the combat system: from industrial Maintenance, Repair, Overhaul and Conversions to those related to the Life Cycle Management of the vessels, both through the supply of Integrated Logistic Support services, usually developed during construction or conversion, and of In Service Support activities, performed after the delivery, during the operation of the vessels.

 

[Michael Corleone]

You are free to believe what you want....

A sub can hide very easily.... to effectively detect a sub you need to create a detection zone which even with sub surface and surface assets combined can only ever be a narrow one and sustained temporarily.

The noise level of a sub is an issue.... noisier is easier to detect ...... but these are academic descussions..... neutralising a sub however old is not easy.... a sub is an excellent weapons platform precisely because however good ones countermeasures they are not particularly effective because underwater it is not easy to detect, target and effectively hit a sub.

I agree with everything you gotta say. I meant about the noise. These subs are noisy. If they're moving they are cooked. If they stay submerged and put... yes no one will be able to detect them or at least will be extremely difficult.

Image credits: Fincantieri

The first Minerva class corvettes, decommissioned by the Italian Navy, have been converted

Fincantieri has delivered today at its shipyard in Muggiano, La Spezia the first two units part of the supply contract of four Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV), to the Bangladesh Coast Guard (BCG), through the upgrading and conversion of the Minerva class corvettes, decommissioned by the Italian Navy. These are the Minerva and Sibilla vessels, renamed Syed Nazrul and Tajuddin, which have been retired from the national fleet in May 2015 and shortly after arrived at Fincantieri’s dock in Genova, where the upgrading and conversion activities started. The units have been completed at the naval shipyard in La Spezia.

Attending the ceremony, among others, Md. Mozammel Haque Khan, Senior Secretary of the Ministry of Home Affairs of the People’s Republic of Bangladesh, Rear Adm. AMMM Aurangzeb Chowdhury, Commander in Chief of the Bangladesh Coast Guard, while Fincantieri was represented by Alberto Maestrini, Deputy General Manager and Senior Vice President Naval Vessels. Present for the Italian Navy, the Logistics Commander, Vice Admiral Donato Marzano and the MARINA NORD Commander, Rear Admiral Roberto Camerini.

In keeping with the Bangladeshi tradition, the signing of the ships’ delivery was preceded by the reading of a passage of the Koran.

Together with Urania and Danaide, scheduled for delivery next year after the same upgrading and conversion activities, these vessels will form the backbone of the Bangladesh Coast Guard’s fleet, with an extension of the lifespan by more than 20 years.

The units will be used to patrol the country's maritime boundaries and traffic in its Exclusive Economic Zone, with capabilities to contain environmental pollution and to rescue and assist civilians in the case of humanitarian emergencies. This contract confirms, therefore, the ability of Fincantieri – the only one among the suppliers of naval vessels – to offer tailor-made solutions for every Navy and Coast Guard, according to individual needs and characteristics, by developing new projects or, alternatively, thanks to the precious support of the Italian Navy, by performing in-depth and strict refitting process on second-hand units.

Within the development of Fincantieri business in the Far East, this agreement is moreover particularly relevant for the supply of after-sales services for naval vessels, because it allows to provide a full range of services for both the platform and the combat system: from industrial Maintenance, Repair, Overhaul and Conversions to those related to the Life Cycle Management of the vessels, both through the supply of Integrated Logistic Support services, usually developed during construction or conversion, and of In Service Support activities, performed after the delivery, during the operation of the vessels.

Don't understand bd navy. Takes a corvette and gives em to the coast guard. Takes a rescue ship and gives it to the navy for use as frigate.

 

[mb444]

I agree with everything you gotta say. I meant about the noise. These subs are noisy. If they're moving they are cooked. If they stay submerged and put... yes no one will be able to detect them or at least will be extremely difficult.


Don't understand bd navy. Takes a corvette and gives em to the coast guard. Takes a rescue ship and gives it to the navy for use as frigate.

Two schools of thought to explain this.

It was a question of timing and priorities. BN had greater priority and US ships became available first so was allocated to navy and the Italians to the CG later.

The second view would be BAL is deliberately keeping BD forces weak as per the dictate of their masters.

The reality is probably the combination of the two. I for one certainty would not have de armed the Italian ships and allocated them to the CG who are substantially newer than the US ships.