Bangladesh Navy

[Bilal9]

In Bangladesh a future naval war scenario will imitate less on coastal Iraq or Iran but more on the small boat coastal navy consisting of US brown water Naval craft used in the Vietnam war. Primary and most useful among these were the brown water craft known as the PCF (Patrol Craft Fast) AKA 'Swift Boat'.

The Swift Boats were shallow draft, high-speed boats of all aluminum construction. They were powered by a pair of V-12 Detroit Diesel engines. Their primary function, in operations in Vietnam, was coastal surveillance. In Bangladesh - this is where the BD Navy will need to reinforce naval presence (superiority).

The Swift Boats were equipped with radar, radios, several search-lights, bunks, a refrigerator, stove, and a toilet for the five man crew. They were capable of speeds of 25 knots and only required 4 feet of water (draft) to operate.

In some operations Swifts teamed up with larger Destroyer Escorts (DER’s), using them as mobile bases for extended missions. The DER’s carried the spare crews and supplies for the Swifts as they operated in waters far from permanent naval bases. In this way the Swifts could roam in coastal waters too shallow for larger vessels. They would run to the DER’s for pit stops, fresh crews, fuel and supplies to continue round-the-clock operations. This is an excellent standard operating procedure (SOP) for Naval superiority in Bangladesh' coastal areas to counter sea infiltration by smaller naval commando combatants and infiltrators.

One of the most notable Swift Boat commanders was U.S. Senator John Kerry. He commanded the PCF-94 in early 1969, during which time he saw intense action and was decorated for valor during his tour of duty.

Here's a nice movie made by the US Navy about these small craft used in Vietnam (narrated by Raymond Burr of 'Ironsides' fame).

PCF 3 view

 

[TopCat]

In Bangladesh a future naval war scenario will imitate less on coastal Iraq or Iran but more on the small boat coastal navy consisting of US brown water Naval craft used in the Vietnam war. Primary and most useful among these were the brown water craft known as the PCF (Patrol Craft Fast) AKA 'Swift Boat'.

Where did you get this? Stop spreading bullcrap all the time.

 

[Bilal9]

Where did you get this? Stop spreading bullcrap all the time.

Dekho bhai Iajdani - one of the first requirements in evolving as a human being is learning to respect others and their opinions/viewpoints before being so quick with your criticism...I wish you good luck in your future endeavors in that regard.

In fact ninety nine percent of our problems in our subcontinent can be traced to that one problem - intolerance...

Inshallah we will all evolve one day...

 

[TopCat]

Dekho bhai Iajdani - one of the first requirements in evolving as a human being is learning to respect others and their opinions/viewpoints before being so quick with your criticism...I wish you good luck in your future endeavors in that regard.

In fact ninety nine percent of our problems in our subcontinent can be traced to that one problem - intolerance...

Inshallah we will all evolve one day...

We are one of the most tolerant people on earth.
Our problem is "Sobai Matobbor, bujuk ar na bujuk"

 

[mb444]

In Bangladesh a future naval war scenario will imitate less on coastal Iraq or Iran but more on the small boat coastal navy consisting of US brown water Naval craft used in the Vietnam war. Primary and most useful among these were the brown water craft known as the PCF (Patrol Craft Fast) AKA 'Swift Boat'.

The Swift Boats were shallow draft, high-speed boats of all aluminum construction. They were powered by a pair of V-12 Detroit Diesel engines. Their primary function, in operations in Vietnam, was coastal surveillance. In Bangladesh - this is where the BD Navy will need to reinforce naval presence (superiority).

The Swift Boats were equipped with radar, radios, several search-lights, bunks, a refrigerator, stove, and a toilet for the five man crew. They were capable of speeds of 25 knots and only required 4 feet of water (draft) to operate.

In some operations Swifts teamed up with larger Destroyer Escorts (DER’s), using them as mobile bases for extended missions. The DER’s carried the spare crews and supplies for the Swifts as they operated in waters far from permanent naval bases. In this way the Swifts could roam in coastal waters too shallow for larger vessels. They would run to the DER’s for pit stops, fresh crews, fuel and supplies to continue round-the-clock operations. This is an excellent standard operating procedure (SOP) for Naval superiority in Bangladesh' coastal areas to counter sea infiltration by smaller naval commando combatants and infiltrators.

One of the most notable Swift Boat commanders was U.S. Senator John Kerry. He commanded the PCF-94 in early 1969, during which time he saw intense action and was decorated for valor during his tour of duty.

Here's a nice movie made by the US Navy about these small craft used in Vietnam (narrated by Raymond Burr of 'Ironsides' fame).

PCF 3 view

Bangladesh does need to develop a riverine force with both defensive and offensive capability with fast patrol and missile boats supported by Helios.

However the type of boats you are talking about is inappropriate in the BD defensive scenario. A force made up such boats are what a invasion force would deploy to maximise their presence post victory. They are not particularly good in enforcing sovereignty. They can be easily wiped out by land forces or attack helicopters

 

[Bilal9]

We are one of the most tolerant people on earth.
Our problem is "Sobai Matobbor, bujuk ar na bujuk"

Thik aachey bhai apni-y bhalo bojhen.

Bangladesh does need to develop a riverine force with both defensive and offensive capability with fast patrol and missile boats supported by Helios.

However the type of boats you are talking about is inappropriate in the BD defensive scenario. A force made up such boats are what a invasion force would deploy to maximise their presence post victory. They are not particularly good in enforcing sovereignty. They can be easily wiped out by land forces or attack helicopters

You are right - however the premise is that these type of small riverine brown water craft is used purposely in preventing insertion of hostile guerrilla commandos, whose firepower is limited to start with and which can be contained with say, .50 cal. machineguns. If you involve Attack helicopters or land-based firepower, then game is over.

In the image above - the standard armament of PCF can be seen (two .50 caliber M2 Browning machine guns in a turret above the pilot house, an over-and-under .50-caliber machine gun – 81 mm mortar combination mounted on the rear deck). This is limited firepower but was sufficient in containing the VietCong, and certainly sufficient in containing today's Guerrillas sent on sabotage missions.


Changing gears a bit, BNS Somudra Avijan (Ex US Coast Guard High Endurance Cutter 'Rush') enters the mouth of the Karnaphooli for the first time in this video.

 

[Arthur]

They are referred to a 'small destroyers'. Their armament and sensor fit is quite comparable to contemporary frigates e.g. the Dutch Kortenaer class, German Bremen class, British Type 22, Italian Maestrale class, Meko 200, US Perry class frigates. And French Cassard class destroyer. Destroyer or frigate is predominantly a function of intended role ( > necessary capabilities > systems > size).


Is that so? While COGAG as on e.g. Ticonderoga class (4 LM2500) is definitely less fuel efficient than a combination of high speed GTus in combination with cruise GTus or diesels. See e.g. Ship Hull and Machinery Optimization Using Physics-Based Design Software, JIANG, 2002 - StevensInstituteStudentSection

I doubt though that the difference between COGOG on Hatsuyuki and CODOG on Hamilton is of the same order of magnitude. For one, the GTus and diesels on Hamilton are of a previous generation.
See e.g. Hatsuyuki or Shirane class Destroyers for the Philippine Navy? | rhk111's Military and Arms Page


No assurance what soever. Hence my first statement: needs confirmation on this from an official japanese source[/USER]

Is it possible to outright replacing the whole propulsion system with another one ?Like into CODOD or CODAD?

But I don't think Japan will sell or transfer any military equipment to BD, and bdmilitary is a well known bullcrap sight. BS is what they spread.

 

[Bilal9]

Fast Patrol Boat (FPB) builds for Navy progressing fast at NarayanGanj..3 months vs. a few weeks ago (last two images)

These are almost identical in layout to the newer USCG fast response cutters except for the rear RIB launch platform and the waterjet propulsion (BD Navy versions will use standard props). Eight are planned altogether.

 

[Arthur]

Fast Patrol Boat (FPB) builds for Navy progressing fast at NarayanGanj..3 months vs. a few weeks ago (last two images)

These are almost identical in layout to the newer USCG fast response cutters except for the rear RIB launch platform and the waterjet propulsion (BD Navy versions will use standard props). Eight are planned altogether.

They should build some more to totally replace the older patrol craftss of BN and BCG.If budget allowed they should give two or three to the border gurds too.

 

[Bilal9]

They should build some more to totally replace the older patrol craftss of BN and BCG.If budget allowed they should give two or three to the border gurds too.

The Bangladesh Coast Guard (BCG) is getting its own Inshore Patrol Vessels (IPVs of which see below), with an initial batch of 2. The IPVs seem to be a bit smaller than the Navy FPBs above but the armament is no less potent. Looks like Type 89 12.7mm heavy machine guns (Chinese/Russian .50 cal equivalent) fitted afore and aft. The BCG IPV boats will have as high an endurance like the navy boats but unlike the Navy boats they will (as their names suggest) patrol inshore.

We already have sufficient coastal patrol, but we lack inshore (midshore) and deep sea patrol. The deep sea patrol will be conducted with Minerva class boats which are stopgap measures until BCGS-planned builds of this size are started locally (which we have been capable of -without question, for ages).

BCGS ships PL-71 SYED NAZRUL ex F551 Minerva. PL-72 TAJUDDIN ex F558 Sibilla

Insha-Allah in less than a decade we will have a ultramodern coast guard patrol fleet of these three endurance types and sizes of patrol boats - all with ages of less than five years.

With deep sea patrol, inshore patrol and then coastal patrol - the triad of EEZ patrol paradigm will be completed.

Bangladesh has serious scarcity of patrol craft. In the deep sea especially we have almost no protection from foreign trawlers poaching on our marine fishery resources and the Indian, Myanmarese and Thai fishing fleets have been stealing our fish blind for ages, we seriously need help in this area.

We also need to protect our larger trawlers and fishing fleets fishing for profitable yellowfin tuna in the deep sea Bangladesh exclusive economic zone (EEZ) using coast guard deep sea patrols, as opposed to the coastal shelf fishing areas.

Yellowfin tuna goes for US$6~7000 per ton compared to a few thousand/per ton for regular fish.

More here,

Bangladeshi gov’t opens up Bay of Bengal to tuna longliners | Undercurrent News

 

[Arthur]

Chittagong Dockyard Ltd. will build warships for Navy. Submarines will join the fleet this year.

দেশেই যুদ্ধজাহাজ তৈরি হবে: প্রধানমন্ত্রী

Commissioning of Hamilton class and Type 56 Corvette held.

নৌবাহিনীতে তিন যুদ্ধজাহাজ আনুষ্ঠানিকভাবে যুক্ত

 

[bigbossman]

Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are interested in purchasing Russia’s Gepard-class frigates, the head of the International Cooperation Department of Russia’s state technology corporation Rostec, Viktor Kladov, said.

© SPUTNIK/ RAMIL SITDIKOV
Russia to Sign Ka-226 Helicopter Manufacturing Deal With India Before Year-End - Rostec
KUALA LUMPUR (Sputnik) – Malaysia’s capital Kuala Lumpur is hosting the 15th Defense Services Asia Exhibition and Conference (DSA-2016) on April 18-21. Over 300 products of the Russian military-industrial complex are being presented at the exhibition.


"Not only Bangladesh, but also Sri Lanka, have expressed serious interest [in Russian Gepard-class frigates]. A delegation of this country’s [Sri Lanka’s] defense ministry came to our DSA-2016 stand, they expressed their interest," Kladov told RIA Novosti.

Russia is ready to respond to a relevant request from Sri Lanka or Bangladesh as soon as it is submitted, Kladov said.

Gepard-class frigates are designed to engage surface ships, submarines and air targets, both independently and as part of a task force, as well as to perform escort and patrol tasks.



Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20160421/1038366663/rostec-purchase-frigate.html#ixzz46UsE4KZu

 

[Bilal9]

Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are interested in purchasing Russia’s Gepard-class frigates, the head of the International Cooperation Department of Russia’s state technology corporation Rostec, Viktor Kladov, said.

© SPUTNIK/ RAMIL SITDIKOV
Russia to Sign Ka-226 Helicopter Manufacturing Deal With India Before Year-End - Rostec
KUALA LUMPUR (Sputnik) – Malaysia’s capital Kuala Lumpur is hosting the 15th Defense Services Asia Exhibition and Conference (DSA-2016) on April 18-21. Over 300 products of the Russian military-industrial complex are being presented at the exhibition.


"Not only Bangladesh, but also Sri Lanka, have expressed serious interest [in Russian Gepard-class frigates]. A delegation of this country’s [Sri Lanka’s] defense ministry came to our DSA-2016 stand, they expressed their interest," Kladov told RIA Novosti.

Russia is ready to respond to a relevant request from Sri Lanka or Bangladesh as soon as it is submitted, Kladov said.

Gepard-class frigates are designed to engage surface ships, submarines and air targets, both independently and as part of a task force, as well as to perform escort and patrol tasks.



Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20160421/1038366663/rostec-purchase-frigate.html#ixzz46UsE4KZu

While the Russian marketers are all gung ho in trying to sell these boats to us and Sri Lanka, the only sale they have made so far overseas are to the Vietnamese (4 boats, 2 delivered so far). They themselves have built just two, stationed in the Caspian. These boats are the ones which launched the cruise missile strikes on ISIS in Syria. I thought that was a nice marketing move.

https://www.rt.com/news/317864-russian-warships-missiles-launch/

Producing only for the Vietnamese may seem strange until you realize that the Vietnamese for strategic reasons can't buy anything from the Chinese. If they could, would they? Hmmmmm.

Even if we buy anything like this from the Russians or anyone else, it should be with ToT, especially transfer of weapons fit integration expertise and welding of special alloys supplied from Russia or any other source.

 

[Arthur]

Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are interested in purchasing Russia’s Gepard-class frigates, the head of the International Cooperation Department of Russia’s state technology corporation Rostec, Viktor Kladov, said.

© SPUTNIK/ RAMIL SITDIKOV
Russia to Sign Ka-226 Helicopter Manufacturing Deal With India Before Year-End - Rostec
KUALA LUMPUR (Sputnik) – Malaysia’s capital Kuala Lumpur is hosting the 15th Defense Services Asia Exhibition and Conference (DSA-2016) on April 18-21. Over 300 products of the Russian military-industrial complex are being presented at the exhibition.


"Not only Bangladesh, but also Sri Lanka, have expressed serious interest [in Russian Gepard-class frigates]. A delegation of this country’s [Sri Lanka’s] defense ministry came to our DSA-2016 stand, they expressed their interest," Kladov told RIA Novosti.

Russia is ready to respond to a relevant request from Sri Lanka or Bangladesh as soon as it is submitted, Kladov said.

Gepard-class frigates are designed to engage surface ships, submarines and air targets, both independently and as part of a task force, as well as to perform escort and patrol tasks.



Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20160421/1038366663/rostec-purchase-frigate.html#ixzz46UsE4KZu

While the Russian marketers are all gung ho in trying to sell these boats to us and Sri Lanka, the only sale they have made so far overseas are to the Vietnamese (4 boats, 2 delivered so far). They themselves have built just two, stationed in the Caspian. These boats are the ones which launched the cruise missile strikes on ISIS in Syria. I thought that was a nice marketing move.

https://www.rt.com/news/317864-russian-warships-missiles-launch/

Producing only for the Vietnamese may seem strange until you realize that the Vietnamese for strategic reasons can't buy anything from the Chinese. If they could, would they? Hmmmmm.

Even if we buy anything like this from the Russians or anyone else, it should be with ToT, especially transfer of weapons fit integration expertise and welding of special alloys supplied from Russia or any other source.

BD already rejected this ship in favor of type 56.You will see no CODOG powered combatants less then 3000 tons in BN,not now or even in future.Yes,that means only a major surface combatants like a destroyer will be CODOG powered in BN.

There are reasons behind this. BN will not visit the same path like the 80's-90's again.They have learned there lesson about logistical nightmares.If it was the Project 2038.x Steregushchy,there would have been a possibility.As Russian Navy recently selected Chinese CODOD systems to power this class.And in future a Russian frigate or destroyer if they choose Chinese gas turbines.But still the possibility is zero; as Russian platforms are very pricey and they have bad name for spare shortage.

Every future class of major surface combatants will have common origin for propulsion and combat systems and will come with a TOT.And you will not see a 1500-2000 ton class induction for a long time after the planned 8 Type 56 corvettes gets inducted.After that BN might again go for modified Type 56 which will incorporate major upgareds like AESA-VLS-cruise missile capability etc.

Keep in mind BN is very much concentrated on having a NET-centric three dimensional Blue Water Navy.Having common philosophy design-building-induction of fleet means strong uninterrupted logistics,easy maintenance,high availability of fleet. Induction of Padma class PC, Durjoy class LPC, Type 56 corvettes is proof of this philosophy.

Regards.

 

[sahureka2]

sorry but I use a web translator to write in English

PL-72 TAJUDDIN ex F558 Sibilla, raised superstructure for a system over the bridge, located directly above the base on which previously supported the 76/62 Compact
I ask if you know the model of weapon that will be installed :
1) 25mm KBA which is already in use on their patrol boat P201
2) MARLIN - WS 30mm
3) Single FAST FORTY 40/70
4) Other system already in the availability of Coast Guard / Navy Bangladesh