Bangladesh Navy

[Neptune]

no point of upgrading old frigate with cost of 160-220million USD when we can get new stealth frigate at same price from China or South Korea

I don't think that China can offer you those things at that price, thus I would never rely on Chinese systems.

South Korean would request a higher price for any of its product.

 

[Nike]

sigma class is corvette with less capability than frigate

correction: just checked morocco variant, well one cost $400 million is way too expensive for us

Indonesia is ordering two variant

a Corvette/OPV variant we had four units and we deemed it less satisfying for us with the absent of organic hangar and VLS for AAW missile like MICA or Aster 15. So we currently built three units of Frigate variants with organic hangar and VLS MICA.

 

[BDforever]

I don't think that China can offer you those things at that price, thus I would never rely on Chinese systems.

South Korean would request a higher price for any of its product.

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Type 054A frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

sourth korea: search: DW3000H frigate and Incheon class frigate.

all of them will be between $260 million-$280million

also there is a Option of F22P frigate which will cost below $200 million

Indonesia is ordering two variant

a Corvette/OPV variant we had four units and we deemed it less satisfying for us with the absent of organic hangar and VLS for AAW missile like MICA or Aster 15. So we currently built three units of Frigate variants with organic hangar and VLS MICA.

price ?

 

[Nike]

@Neptune i quite agree

Chinese rarely to sale their ultimate weapons system (heck it is the platform, the hull, the avionic, electronic, missile to radar systems and so on) to their allies or another countries, they will always trying to sell their 2nd tier or 3rd tier of their systems.

Type 054A frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

sourth korea: search: DW3000H frigate and Incheon class frigate.

all of them will be between $260 million-$280million

also there is a Option of F22P frigate which will cost below $200 million


price ?

Indonesian made is around 320 million US dollar

Damen Shipyard made is more expensive because their worker has more higher pay rates than us

 

[damiendehorn]

If BD needs frigates, then the only option is either Chinese or Russian. The best option would be upgraded type 56 at around 1500-1700 tonnes ASEA radar and mid range VLS system from South Africa.

The hulls can easily be made in Bangladesh which will make them a lot cheaper, and with TOT enable huge expansion of our naval shipbuilding.

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

these are all good ships that we're discussing.....
but considering our fund constraints, I don't think its an option to go for multiple units of $250 million+ frigates right now..... our economy will tell what to do in the future.... for now, refurbished frigates and new corvettes and missile boats seem like the most effective option..... taxpayers' money comes very hard..... that needs to be spent prudently..... its only just a beginning for our Navy..... give it time to evolve....

@madokafc , @Neptune

If BD needs frigates, then the only option is either Chinese or Russian. The best option would be upgraded type 56 at around 1500-1700 tonnes ASEA radar and mid range VLS system from South Africa.

The hulls can easily be made in Bangladesh which will make them a lot cheaper, and with TOT enable huge expansion of our naval shipbuilding.

Type 056 local construction is already on the cards..... officials are already talking about it.... we hope to hear good things within a year or so.... about specs and weapons - well, probably its too early to predict.... lots of options to consider..... and I don't think our opinion here is of any worth to our decision-makers....

 

[Penguin]

no point of upgrading old frigate with cost of 160-220million USD when we can get new stealth frigate at same price from China or South Korea

F22P was 175 million dollar per unit. What new stealth frigate would be available for that price? Certainly not Type 054A. Maybe C28A, a more stealthy variant of F22P for Ageria?

 

[Bilal9]

sigma class is corvette with less capability than frigate

correction: just checked morocco variant, well one cost $400 million is way too expensive for us

Good suggestion but China Type 056 is almost exact copy of Damen Schelde Sigma class corvette and we already have two 056 class on order. We're also going to be building two locally. In fact our type 056 hulls are modified, lengthened and has more capability.

 

[Bilal9]

F22P was 175 million dollar per unit. What new stealth frigate would be available for that price? Certainly not Type 054A. Maybe C28A, a more stealthy variant of F22P for Ageria?

I will express my ignorance - but does C28A or F22P have VLS systems offered by the Chinese? Or did the PN get VLS from some other country?

Good suggestion but China Type 056 is almost exact copy of Damen Schelde Sigma class corvette and we already have two 056 class on order. We're also going to be building two locally. In fact our type 056 hulls are modified, lengthened and has more capability.

And as I mentioned previously - China type 052D is almost exact copy of the USS Arleigh Burke class DDG complete with Phased Array radar and AEGIS type system.

The frigate type 054 looks like its just scaled up from the type 056 corvette and therefore a scaled up Damen Schelde Sigma class design.

Interesting tidbit is that the Chinese have built a proof-of-concept 1/5th scale LCS design after the USS Independence tri-maran. Pretty neat looking if you ask me...

 

[Nike]

I will express my ignorance - but does C28A or F22P have VLS systems offered by the Chinese? Or did the PN get VLS from some other country?



And as I mentioned previously - China type 052D is almost exact copy of the USS Arleigh Burke class DDG complete with Phased Array radar and AEGIS type system.

The frigate type 054 looks like its just scaled up from the type 056 corvette and therefore a scaled up Damen Schelde Sigma class design.

Interesting tidbit is that the Chinese have built a proof-of-concept 1/5th scale LCS design after the USS Independence tri-maran. Pretty neat looking if you ask me...

I don't think if the Chinese will give you an exact their prime state of arts technologies, call it in BMS, or in Navigation systems or else. The Chinese itself is not producing the equivalent of F-22 class frigate for themselves, because they rendering it is not worth for their use

 

[Bilal9]

If BD needs frigates, then the only option is either Chinese or Russian. The best option would be upgraded type 56 at around 1500-1700 tonnes ASEA radar and mid range VLS system from South Africa.

The hulls can easily be made in Bangladesh which will make them a lot cheaper, and with TOT enable huge expansion of our naval shipbuilding.

Do we use ASEA (swedish) radar and VLS system from South Africa already? Do they have installations in any regional navies?

I don't think if the Chinese will give you an exact their prime state of arts technologies, call it in BMS, or in Navigation systems or else. The Chinese itself is not producing the equivalent of F-22 class frigate for themselves, because they rendering it is not worth for their use

While I think part of your statement is true I will say that F22P dates from a time when stealthy design was not a needed component as it is now. Isn't F22P a redesigned (more modern) type 053 vessel? Other than stealth - it is very capable still...

And like Mr. Penguin said - there is always type C28 if you want stealth...

 

[Bilal9]

Do we use ASEA (swedish) radar and VLS system from South Africa already? Do they have installations in any regional navies?



While I think part of your statement is true I will say that F22P dates from a time when stealthy design was not a needed component as it is now. Isn't F22P a redesigned (more modern) type 053 vessel? Other than stealth - it is very capable still...

And like Mr. Penguin said - there is always type C28 if you want stealth...

This is what Naval Technology says about the F-22P design,

"The F-22P frigate is an updated model of the type 053H3 or Jiangwei-class frigate built by China since the 1990s. The F-22P's hull contains China's type 054 frigate's radar cross-section reduction, which helps prevent detection by radars mounted on other ships, aircraft and anti-ship missiles.

The frigates can operate in multi-threat environments and are equipped with long-range surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, which are capable of attacking multiple targets simultaneously. They are also equipped with under-sea sensors that can detect nuclear and conventional submarines at long range. Powered by four main diesel engines, the F-22P frigate can accommodate about 200 personnel.

The frigates have long-range sensors, navigational radars and trackers, sonars, electronic warfare systems, counter measures (ESM/ECM) systems and advanced command and control systems."

Anyway my point is - for the immediate need of the Bangladesh Navy trying to get a CIWS system which is like the state of the art Phalanx or Goalkeeper, or a Mica VLS is just overkill. For us second rate Chinese maybe okay for now...we'll upgrade or retrofit later.

 

[aliaselin]

If BD needs frigates, then the only option is either Chinese or Russian. The best option would be upgraded type 56 at around 1500-1700 tonnes ASEA radar and mid range VLS system from South Africa.

The hulls can easily be made in Bangladesh which will make them a lot cheaper, and with TOT enable huge expansion of our naval shipbuilding.

I think you mean this one:

displacement for about 1800 ton. With 24 cell VLS

 

[BDforever]

I think you mean this one:

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displacement for about 1800 ton. With 24 cell VLS

lighter version of 054A ? what is the price ?

 

[aliaselin]

lighter version of 054A ? what is the price ?

I think it is comparable to F22P(smaller hull but more advanced equipment)