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Michael Corleone said:
Yeah nah, really don’t like the new chief. Nothing personal just a little irked about his training in India.
Ershad kaku also trained there
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I didn't like that bit either. Manchurian Candidate?

With mutual training between India and Bangladesh being re-established since this government came to power, more of this will be seen going forward. We will see more and more Senior officers having spent time in India.

However, our hero Major Gen. Fazlur Rahman (Former BDR DG, in charge of BDR during 2001 conflict), was a freedom fighter who was trained in India in 1971. But it didn't stop him from teaching BSF thugs a lesson.

So, let's hope this Chief is no different.
 
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leonblack08 said:
I didn't like that bit either. Manchurian Candidate?

With mutual training between India and Bangladesh being re-established since this government came to power, more of this will be seen going forward. We will see more and more Senior officers having spent time in India.

However, our hero Major Gen. Fazlur Rahman (Former BDR DG, in charge of BDR during 2001 conflict), was a freedom fighter who was trained in India in 1971. But it didn't stop him from teaching BSF thugs a lesson.

So, let's hope this Chief is no different.
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Major general Fazlur Rahman didn’t serve in Pakistan army?
 
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Bilal9 said:
He got his ASW training from India though. So there, make of it what you will.
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BD has exchanged military officers with India and Pakistan for training for decades regardless of who was in charge. If we start setting standards based on such things we will not be left with a military.
It is a good thing to observe the adversary's capabilities first hand.

Michael Corleone said:
Major general Fazlur Rahman didn’t serve in Pakistan army?
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He did
 
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https://www.defseca.com/naval-syste...VLR-WJZX8R8IlQvHPq04PyOT8Kp67mY5OlYZb0kmjJNx4
 
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The last picture is not relevant. It is a large oceangoing oil-derrick supply boat. The first picture is accurate.
 
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Bilal9 said:
if you could enlighten us on how a 4000 ton frigate (compared to this 3000 ton one) would be a better idea for our Navy.
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Sorry i couldn't reply sooner. I was actually writing to answer you but due to an unexpected matter i couldn't finish my reply. So my draft got erased. The previous reply was big and messy so i will try to explain it simply and shortly. Note that this is just my opinion.

First of all you need to think about all angle, it's not only about displacement and endurance. As you may notice military tactics and weapons are always evolving. Yesterday's destroyer, frigate is now tomorrow's frigate, corvette. The continuous evolution in design won't gonna hold in 3000 ton anymore. Like Fincantieri said in it's FFG(X) promotion, "Tomorrow's battles will not be won with yesterday's ships"

Navies before used battleships then shifted to much smaller warship, started using missiles instead of big gun, featuring small RCS and now they are working guided munition, rail gun, UUV, USV and laser weapon. If you check new frigate designs like Type 54A, refined Belharra, Shivalik/Nilgiri, Sachsen, US FFG (X); all feature some certain characteristics in common.

  • 32 VLS to launch one type of SAM or multiple types of SAM and other missile like anti-submarine, LACM. Some frigate has 8 cells VLS with quad-pack per cell.
  • Single/two long-range air-surface surveillance radar (primary and secondary) or multi-functional fixed panel radar in integrated mast.
  • 8/16 AShM/LACM
  • Single gun/missile based CIWS.
  • At least 2x3 torpedo tubes
  • Minimum 30 days endurance
I admit some of the examples i mentioned above exceed 4000 tons category and fall in light destroyer category which is probably because of their navies own particular requirement but the point is current multi-role frigate concept has at least these specifications.

So frigate with these specifications is new trend now which ensures ships better survivability and almost pushed the design with 8/16 cells VLS to heavy corvette category. So whether you want/like it or not, your frigate gonna displace more than 3500 tons anyway and i still didn't mention some new equipment some modern navies adapted and starting to use for their new frigates.

Now as BoB is getting rougher, if you notice BN's Type 53H3 procurement, tender for new ASuW LPC and OPV; you will see that BN is already shifting towards larger vessel. Also the 100 meter variant of DW-2000L BN's delegation inspected at MADEX 2019 has 5000nm range at 15 knots. Judging by the photo it looks like the ship will have at least 32 K-SAAM {Similar fin and quad-pack configuration}. So:-

  • BNS BB and Type 53H3 both have two radars (IN and MN frigates have same feature)
  • Type 53H3 and DW-2000L both have similar range
  • New OPV will have almost 2000 ton displacement, 4000nm range and 30 days mission length. So that will leave new frigate to patrol much further in BoB.
  • New LPC's weapons and other systems specification
Does these indicates BN's plan for larger frigate or not? Here's why 4000 tons better for BN:-
  • Adversaries: IN has much larger warships in it's fleet which pack enough punch. Only few ships will be able to take out entire BN's fleet. so there's your NO-1 BIG WHY for choosing a larger frigate. If you want BN to withstand saturated missile attacks from IN's fleet you are gonna need a bigger boat and a 3000 ton one won't gonna cut it. Also it may not look like anything serious now but MN is also building larger frigate though they lack any proper AD currently. I am waiting to see what's their next new frigate will feature.
  • Which is why you will need ToT for a customized design or completely your own fresh design of 4000 ton frigate as starting point for local shipbuilding yard like KSY, CDDL. That will usher path for building bigger vessel like light destroyer to face both potential adversaries properly and to have strong presence in BoB to tackle more than a naval blockade in future.
  • Which may also help BN to become a blue water navy with limited range power projection beyond EEZ.
I tried to explain the rest above. Anyway i didn't find any info on C-28A's range or mission length. So how were you talking about it's mission endurance? Also you can forget about any Russian options. Refined Belharra or
HTMS Bhumibol Adulyadej would be perfect for BN but i doubt it will happen due to budget issue.

If the DW-2000L is really fitted with 32 K-SAAM and can be customized with ATMACA then this isn't not a bad option either. Although i don't know how good K-SAAM is cause i couldn't find any data except a negative article on it. I hope Korea sorted out it's problem. Their design is exceptional which doesn't displace 4000 tons, wonder how they do it. If anything else doesn't work out, we are gonna end up with Type 54A in future.

https://newatlas.com/frigate-future-us-navy/58117/
https://www.britannica.com/technology/frigate
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/cddl...els-for-bangladesh-navy.650421/#post-12034172
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bangladesh-navy-will-build-two-new-asuw-lpc-locally.643261/
https://www.navalnews.com/event-new...fts-veil-on-new-dw2000l-light-frigate-design/
https://www.defensenews.com/industr...-koreas-sea-bow-missile-interception-ability/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-water_navy#Classification_and_naval_hierarchy
 
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The Ronin said:
Sorry i couldn't reply sooner. I was actually writing to answer you but due to an unexpected matter i couldn't finish my reply. So my draft got erased. The previous reply was big and messy so i will try to explain it simply and shortly. Note that this is just my opinion.

First of all you need to think about all angle, it's not only about displacement and endurance. As you may notice military tactics and weapons are always evolving. Yesterday's destroyer, frigate is now tomorrow's frigate, corvette. The continuous evolution in design won't gonna hold in 3000 ton anymore. Like Fincantieri said in it's FFG(X) promotion, "Tomorrow's battles will not be won with yesterday's ships"

Navies before used battleships then shifted to much smaller warship, started using missiles instead of big gun, featuring small RCS and now they are working guided munition, rail gun, UUV, USV and laser weapon. If you check new frigate designs like Type 54A, refined Belharra, Shivalik/Nilgiri, Sachsen, US FFG (X); all feature some certain characteristics in common.

  • 32 VLS to launch one type of SAM or multiple types of SAM and other missile like anti-submarine, LACM. Some frigate has 8 cells VLS with quad-pack per cell.
  • Single/two long-range air-surface surveillance radar (primary and secondary) or multi-functional fixed panel radar in integrated mast.
  • 8/16 AShM/LACM
  • Single gun/missile based CIWS.
  • At least 2x3 torpedo tubes
  • Minimum 30 days endurance
I admit some of the examples i mentioned above exceed 4000 tons category and fall in light destroyer category which is probably because of their navies own particular requirement but the point is current multi-role frigate concept has at least these specifications.

So frigate with these specifications is new trend now which ensures ships better survivability and almost pushed the design with 8/16 cells VLS to heavy corvette category. So whether you want/like it or not, your frigate gonna displace more than 3500 tons anyway and i still didn't mention some new equipment some modern navies adapted and starting to use for their new frigates.

Now as BoB is getting rougher, if you notice BN's Type 53H3 procurement, tender for new ASuW LPC and OPV; you will see that BN is already shifting towards larger vessel. Also the 100 meter variant of DW-2000L BN's delegation inspected at MADEX 2019 has 5000nm range at 15 knots. Judging by the photo it looks like the ship will have at least 32 K-SAAM {Similar fin and quad-pack configuration}. So:-

  • BNS BB and Type 53H3 both have two radars (IN and MN frigates have same feature)
  • Type 53H3 and DW-2000L both have similar range
  • New OPV will have almost 2000 ton displacement, 4000nm range and 30 days mission length. So that will leave new frigate to patrol much further in BoB.
  • New LPC's weapons and other systems specification
Does these indicates BN's plan for larger frigate or not? Here's why 4000 tons better for BN:-
  • Adversaries: IN has much larger warships in it's fleet which pack enough punch. Only few ships will be able to take out entire BN's fleet. so there's your NO-1 BIG WHY for choosing a larger frigate. If you want BN to withstand saturated missile attacks from IN's fleet you are gonna need a bigger boat and a 3000 ton one won't gonna cut it. Also it may not look like anything serious now but MN is also building larger frigate though they lack any proper AD currently. I am waiting to see what's their next new frigate will feature.
  • Which is why you will need ToT for a customized design or completely your own fresh design of 4000 ton frigate as starting point for local shipbuilding yard like KSY, CDDL. That will usher path for building bigger vessel like light destroyer to face both potential adversaries properly and to have strong presence in BoB to tackle more than a naval blockade in future.
  • Which may also help BN to become a blue water navy with limited range power projection beyond EEZ.
I tried to explain the rest above. Anyway i didn't find any info on C-28A's range or mission length. So how were you talking about it's mission endurance? Also you can forget about any Russian options. Refined Belharra or
HTMS Bhumibol Adulyadej would be perfect for BN but i doubt it will happen due to budget issue.

If the DW-2000L is really fitted with 32 K-SAAM and can be customized with ATMACA then this isn't not a bad option either. Although i don't know how good K-SAAM is cause i couldn't find any data except a negative article on it. I hope Korea sorted out it's problem. Their design is exceptional which doesn't displace 4000 tons, wonder how they do it. If anything else doesn't work out, we are gonna end up with Type 54A in future.

https://newatlas.com/frigate-future-us-navy/58117/
https://www.britannica.com/technology/frigate
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/cddl...els-for-bangladesh-navy.650421/#post-12034172
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bangladesh-navy-will-build-two-new-asuw-lpc-locally.643261/
https://www.navalnews.com/event-new...fts-veil-on-new-dw2000l-light-frigate-design/
https://www.defensenews.com/industr...-koreas-sea-bow-missile-interception-ability/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-water_navy#Classification_and_naval_hierarchy
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Excellent answer bhai - well said. I also am busy with a few personal things, so I will respond soon, in good time.
 
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