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A must video for all bangladeshis.
Basically this guy used to live in India during his childhood, he talks about how was always treated as a second class citizen because he was a muslim. He goes on talking about his personal experience on how once left a book at his hindu friends place and when he went to get it back, he saw his friends mom shouting at him while cleaning the place where this guy has seated. He gives many other examples. Mind it, this guy was a close associate of Sheikh Mujib.
 
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A must video for all bangladeshis.
Basically this guy used to live in India during his childhood, he talks about how was always treated as a second class citizen because he was a muslim. He goes on talking about his personal experience on how once left a book at his hindu friends place and when he went to get it back, he saw his friends mom shouting at him while cleaning the place where this guy has seated. He gives many other examples. Mind it, this guy was a close associate of Sheikh Mujib.

Thanks for the videos. But, in your post you have confused the history of Bangladesh. It was India before 14 August, 1947, and Mr. Asaf-ud-Dowlah was a student of Faridpur Zilla School before that. He is telling the stories of those days of united India when the Hindus used to bully the Muslims.

Please note that Mr. Asaf is the son of Khan Bahadur Ismail khan of Faridpur and his elder sister is the very famous singer Firoza Begum. Their Faridpur town house is in Char Kamlapur. They usually do not come to faridpur and like to live in Dhaka.
 
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Thanks for the videos. But, in your post you have confused the history of Bangladesh. It was India before 14 August, 1947, and Mr. Asaf-ud-Dowlah was a student of Faridpur Zilla School before that. He is telling the stories of those days of united India when the Hindus used to bully the Muslims.

Please note that Mr. Asaf is the son of Khan Bahadur Ismail khan of Faridpur and his elder sister is the very famous singer Firoza Begum. Their Faridpur town house is in Char Kamlapur. They usually do not come to faridpur and like to live in Dhaka.

So sad you burst the bubble.

Some people hear one word and BANG.........post it with a commentary.

And then.......

mud of the face!!

Feroza Begum was a fantastic singer.

What a voice!
 
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Ref Post #151 and the videos.

He is wrong to say that the Agreement was there which could not be contested over the Farakka waters. If it were for 7 days experimental, then it was valid for 7 days alone.

He admits he was not involved in the Liberation and hence he was handicapped after Liberation.

In other words, he was either pro Pakistan or a fence sitter, who was more concerned about his own future than that of his country. He could have been openly pro Pakistan, and there was nothing wrong about that in those fluid times!

One would prefer a Razakaar than a fence sitter and a self seeker.

The fact is so obvious because if he sincerely felt that Bangladesh's interests were being sold, then he should have resigned.More so since he claims most loudly that he stands only for truth!!

Maybe the real truth for him was the comfort of high office!!!

Only an opportunist wants to appear a hero after the fact and when most of those who were involved are dead and gone and can't refute what the man said.

It is the weak who take the name of God (Allah in his case) as witness. Why drag in God? Why burden God? Stand by what you say on your own feet and personality.

It is interesting to note his reference to Swarn Singh that people of India will misunderstand Bangaldesh's foreign policy on joining the OIC because it was not coordinated with India. An interesting thought. At least Sheik Mujib gave a fitting reply which he mentions and this time he says it is adequate that he himself if the witness!!

It is interesting note of the claim that Bangaldseshi were 'nama sudras'. I won't amplify on what that means. Amader modhyei thakuk, baki der janar kono dorkar nai as it is actually an immaterial issue. And interestingly the person who said so, is dead and so cannot refute. This speaker knows how to project himself a hero when all are dead and the truth is locked in their graves!! And he merrily slanders who are dead and gone!

And the man is a real oddball. He says that if he had been 40 years and not 73, he would have killed Advani and Advani would not have reached Delhi!! The man is senile and as good as humorous sidekick of films!!

He claims his father was the District Vice President and even so he was discriminated in School. Either his father was a dumb Joe or this man, the Speaker, was a weak kneed chap who nurtured the grouse for life because of his and his father's impotent attitude. And the fault, naturally has to be of others!! He is after all a chap who is on the white side of a black and white spectrum as per his statement!! And he grumbles and attribute conspiracy that his roll No was 2! What a petty mind. Roll No? How more petty a mind can he posses than this?! What a pathetic man!

He claims the Babur was the greatest Emperor of India and gives a whole lot of good traits including that Babur was a true Muslim when asked by his teacher who was the greatest Emperor. The man also mentions that he is an expert on Babur.

If he were really an expert and Babur was a true Muslim, how is it that this man forgot that Babur gave up drinking alcohol only two years before his death for health reasons, and demanded that his court do the same. And Babur did not stop chewing narcotic preparations, and did not lose his sense of irony. And Babur wrote:

Everyone regrets drinking and swears an oath [of abstinence]; I swore the oath and regret that.
( Pope, Hugh (2005). Sons of the Conquerors, Overlook Duckworth, pp.234-235.)

A true Muslim indeed!!

His bitterness is very deep. When he is hit on the palm with a stick (rightly or wrong is not the point), he says that he was a son of a dog and that is what all felt he is!! How many of us have not been hit with a ruler or a cane in school? I wonder if anyone feels he was a son of a dog because of that!! Real loopy! What a cad!

The poor man does not understand what is transshipment. All he had to do is go to Petrapole and Bengapole and he would have learnt! What a man with such a bitter soul! And he was a Secretary of Water Resources of Bangladesh!! One can't be a chair hugging, chair loving bureaucrat. He must go around and see things for himself. This man seems to have been more enamoured with the perks of office than really caring for improvement of his country!!

He wants India to build bridges and hospital. Valid point. But now that India is ready to assist Bangladesh in building infrastructure, there is a howl (in this forum from a Bangladeshi poster) that it is being done for Indian interest and for implementing Akhand Bharat!!

Don't help and be damned. Help and be damned!!

He grumbles that his own classmates who have failed are big bosses today! Does show his angst that he is no longer in the limelight and only others. And what proof is that his friends and classmates were failures.

What a sad, bitter and lonely man!
 
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In Hindustan, Hindu comprise of 60% and other minorities about 40% whereas we are over whelmed Muslim majority. Secular also means a tool to suppress the presence of God in state level, as a result anti god element find it easy to expand it's activity. For example: You have legalized gay marriage recently.

See this kind of unnatural and sick mentality doesn't exist in Bangladesh and we like to keep it this way.

First of all Hindus comprise of 80% of the population-- still most of them are secular in nature. Secularism means you give equal access to godly and godless alike to express their views provided you don't incite others.
Its a balancing act -- a state which does this successfully will create a peaceful place for all religious faiths to prosper. By the way, their is no evidence that a secular state brings out the worst kind of people to power and have godless people to prosper.

I don't want to go off topic, but whats gays do is their own business and as long as they don't impose their lifestyles on other people and keep it in their own bedroom, its fine with me. What if u are a Muslim and gay? Do you cease to be Muslim because of your sexual orientation. Don't the state have responsibility to protect them from people like you?
 
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We have allocated religious holiday to negligible minorities and we allow them to worship in unimaginable manner so Bangladesh doesn't need any other reform to accommodate less than 10% minority. I think Bangladesh is just fine the way it is. If Awami backed by Bharti push too much then it will have reverse effect.

On the flip side, you live in a secular India and your Muslim population comprise of about 15% yet you are not allow to sacrifice a cow. Yes, I know you can sacrifice goat or lamb but a cow has got protection from majority Hindus from religious prospective. keep in mind that India suppose to be secular where region doesn't exist in state affair so why there is a double standard practice exist in secular system?

We like to retain Islamic principal in our Constitution because we are Muslim. It makes us happy and we have declare that we only bow to Allah. You as a Muslim should be happy about this.

A sick mind postulates!

Indian Muslims are free from sickness and they are happy.

They don't grouse and weep like you!
 
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In Hindustan, Hindu comprise of 60% and other minorities about 40% whereas we are over whelmed Muslim majority. Secular also means a tool to suppress the presence of God in state level, as a result anti god element find it easy to expand it's activity. For example: You have legalized gay marriage recently.

See this kind of unnatural and sick mentality doesn't exist in Bangladesh and we like to keep it this way.

Really?

No gays in BD?

Just Google!

Are you a bat?

Bangladesh has been on the pages of the western media of late, mostly due to political violence, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, and attacks on minorities. One of the minorities rarely mentioned in any media, Bangladeshi or western is the gay/lesbian population of the country. It is a topic seldom discussed anywhere, very rarely even in progressive circles. It is not that the estimated more than 10 million gay/lesbian Bangladeshis are having a great time in Bangladesh. Instead, they are constantly on the vigilance, having to watch behind their backs for fear of being found out. In the process their lives and those who are dependent on them are being ruined.
http://lgbtbangladesh.wordpress.com...lesbians-the-hidden-minorities-of-bangladesh/
 
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Ref Post #151 and the videos.

He is wrong to say that the Agreement was there which could not be contested over the Farakka waters. If it were for 7 days experimental, then it was valid for 7 days alone.

He admits he was not involved in the Liberation and hence he was handicapped after Liberation.

In other words, he was either pro Pakistan or a fence sitter, who was more concerned about his own future than that of his country. He could have been openly pro Pakistan, and there was nothing wrong about that in those fluid times!

One would prefer a Razakaar than a fence sitter and a self seeker.

The fact is so obvious because if he sincerely felt that Bangladesh's interests were being sold, then he should have resigned.More so since he claims most loudly that he stands only for truth!!

Maybe the real truth for him was the comfort of high office!!!

Only an opportunist wants to appear a hero after the fact and when most of those who were involved are dead and gone and can't refute what the man said.

You seem to very passionate about Bangladesh and 71 although none of us really care about your feeling. You can shove it because your root has been dug out and then thrown in to river Gonga or some place else. :smokin:

Most Awami leaders did not fight in liberation war. They were hiding and having good time in your part of Bengal. Thanks to their mother Indira. Words on the street is that some of the Awami leaders were found drunken in side the gutter of Calcutta. :what:

What your opinion about Awami league? :coffee:
 
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Ref Post #151 and the videos.

He is wrong to say that the Agreement was there which could not be contested over the Farakka waters. If it were for 7 days experimental, then it was valid for 7 days alone.

He admits he was not involved in the Liberation and hence he was handicapped after Liberation.

In other words, he was either pro Pakistan or a fence sitter, who was more concerned about his own future than that of his country. He could have been openly pro Pakistan, and there was nothing wrong about that in those fluid times!

One would prefer a Razakaar than a fence sitter and a self seeker.

The fact is so obvious because if he sincerely felt that Bangladesh's interests were being sold, then he should have resigned.More so since he claims most loudly that he stands only for truth!!

Maybe the real truth for him was the comfort of high office!!!

Only an opportunist wants to appear a hero after the fact and when most of those who were involved are dead and gone and can't refute what the man said.

It is the weak who take the name of God (Allah in his case) as witness. Why drag in God? Why burden God? Stand by what you say on your own feet and personality.

It is interesting to note his reference to Swarn Singh that people of India will misunderstand Bangaldesh's foreign policy on joining the OIC because it was not coordinated with India. An interesting thought. At least Sheik Mujib gave a fitting reply which he mentions and this time he says it is adequate that he himself if the witness!!

It is interesting note of the claim that Bangaldseshi were 'nama sudras'. I won't amplify on what that means. Amader modhyei thakuk, baki der janar kono dorkar nai as it is actually an immaterial issue. And interestingly the person who said so, is dead and so cannot refute. This speaker knows how to project himself a hero when all are dead and the truth is locked in their graves!! And he merrily slanders who are dead and gone!

And the man is a real oddball. He says that if he had been 40 years and not 73, he would have killed Advani and Advani would not have reached Delhi!! The man is senile and as good as humorous sidekick of films!!

He claims his father was the District Vice President and even so he was discriminated in School. Either his father was a dumb Joe or this man, the Speaker, was a weak kneed chap who nurtured the grouse for life because of his and his father's impotent attitude. And the fault, naturally has to be of others!! He is after all a chap who is on the white side of a black and white spectrum as per his statement!! And he grumbles and attribute conspiracy that his roll No was 2! What a petty mind. Roll No? How more petty a mind can he posses than this?! What a pathetic man!

He claims the Babur was the greatest Emperor of India and gives a whole lot of good traits including that Babur was a true Muslim when asked by his teacher who was the greatest Emperor. The man also mentions that he is an expert on Babur.

If he were really an expert and Babur was a true Muslim, how is it that this man forgot that Babur gave up drinking alcohol only two years before his death for health reasons, and demanded that his court do the same. And Babur did not stop chewing narcotic preparations, and did not lose his sense of irony. And Babur wrote:

Everyone regrets drinking and swears an oath [of abstinence]; I swore the oath and regret that.
( Pope, Hugh (2005). Sons of the Conquerors, Overlook Duckworth, pp.234-235.)

A true Muslim indeed!!

His bitterness is very deep. When he is hit on the palm with a stick (rightly or wrong is not the point), he says that he was a son of a dog and that is what all felt he is!! How many of us have not been hit with a ruler or a cane in school? I wonder if anyone feels he was a son of a dog because of that!! Real loopy! What a cad!

The poor man does not understand what is transshipment. All he had to do is go to Petrapole and Bengapole and he would have learnt! What a man with such a bitter soul! And he was a Secretary of Water Resources of Bangladesh!! One can't be a chair hugging, chair loving bureaucrat. He must go around and see things for himself. This man seems to have been more enamoured with the perks of office than really caring for improvement of his country!!

He wants India to build bridges and hospital. Valid point. But now that India is ready to assist Bangladesh in building infrastructure, there is a howl (in this forum from a Bangladeshi poster) that it is being done for Indian interest and for implementing Akhand Bharat!!

Don't help and be damned. Help and be damned!!

He grumbles that his own classmates who have failed are big bosses today! Does show his angst that he is no longer in the limelight and only others. And what proof is that his friends and classmates were failures.

What a sad, bitter and lonely man!

Well its a heck of a long post. I cant just go and split them as the window here is too small.

Few points. You dont have to go personal if you cant find a counter logic. He stand by his own view so do you. His role in 1971 was never questioned. So far I know him his view points are as such.

1) We should be equally proud of 1971 and 1947 and they are not mutually exclusive.
2) It was progressive politics in the years of 1960's on the street of Dhaka so did it in Park street in Calcutta before 1947. Mujib was also an actor to it.
3) Ideologically Bangladesh cease to exist if you leave aside 1947.

So his approach was balanced.

Regarding the Namasudra part, even some Muslim fall for it. We discussed it over and over again. It was buddhist who were made Nama Sudra (correct phrase would be lower caste) by the Sena Dynasty which resulted in wholesale conversion to Islam later on. It was all along a Buddhist Land and never been a Hindu land and later turned to Muslim land.
 
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You seem to very passionate about Bangladesh and 71 although none of us really care about your feeling. You can shove it because your root has been dug out and then thrown in to river Gonga or some place else. :smokin:

Most Awami leaders did not fight in liberation war. They were hiding and having good time in your part of Bengal. Thanks to their mother Indira. Words on the street is that some of the Awami leaders were found drunken in side the gutter of Calcutta. :what:

What your opinion about Awami league? :coffee:

What, you wanted all the old guys to run around with sword in their hand ?
Did Lincoln ever faught or Winston Churchill? You are funny. Next time you will send Khaleda Zia to Indian border.. LOL
 
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Regarding the Namasudra part, even some Muslim fall for it. We discussed it over and over again. It was buddhist who were made Nama Sudra (correct phrase would be lower caste) by the Sena Dynasty which resulted in wholesale conversion to Islam later on. It was all along a Buddhist Land and never been a Hindu land and later turned to Muslim land.

Yes, you are 100% right. During the Pala Dynasty's encouragement many Hindus of all the Castes accepted Budhism. But, Sena Kings discouraged Budhism. So, the Budhists had to re-convert or re-enter into the Hindu fold. However, all of them were forced to accept the lowest rank in the Hindu Caste system, although many of those converts' forefathers belonged to higher ranks.
 
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Well its a heck of a long post. I cant just go and split them as the window here is too small.

Few points. You dont have to go personal if you cant find a counter logic. He stand by his own view so do you. His role in 1971 was never questioned. So far I know him his view points are as such.

1) We should be equally proud of 1971 and 1947 and they are not mutually exclusive.
2) It was progressive politics in the years of 1960's on the street of Dhaka so did it in Park street in Calcutta before 1947. Mujib was also an actor to it.
3) Ideologically Bangladesh cease to exist if you leave aside 1947.

So his approach was balanced.

Regarding the Namasudra part, even some Muslim fall for it. We discussed it over and over again. It was buddhist who were made Nama Sudra (correct phrase would be lower caste) by the Sena Dynasty which resulted in wholesale conversion to Islam later on. It was all along a Buddhist Land and never been a Hindu land and later turned to Muslim land.

Long post it is because it analysed three long video recording appended.

One would not have gone personal unless the man himself got personal. And, since you did not wish to see or admit, I countered each of his statement.

I just analysed what he said and what I thought was just ranting of imagined slights.

Also, I find it most uncharitable of anyone to quote those who are dead and cannot defend themselves. If the man had morality, he would have said everything that he wanted when these people were alive and could defend themselves.

It is only the vainglorious, who want to appear wearing a halo over their heads with big talk when safe in the thought that what he is saying cannot be refuted since all those mentioned are Dead!!

On the issue of Liberation, he did mention that since he was not a part of the Liberation, he was handicapped! That should be an indication as to which side of the bread was buttered for him!

He shows how he ticked off all national leaders, be they Indian or Bangaldeshi. He claims he categorically disagreed with the Bangladeshi Govt views. Well, he should have resigned if he felt so strongly as he is trying to portray now. He did not resign. And now, what is the idea of projecting himself as a great hero? Such people are no heroes who cannot stand up to their conviction and only speak when all are Dead who could refute him.

Nama sudra is worse than sudra and it is silly to bring in this aspect. And that too stating that someone said that Bangaldeshis are Nama Sudras etc when the poor man is dead and cannot refute it. No sane person will claim that all Bangaldeshi are Nama Sudras and that too an educated person.

Imagine to what low level this man has stooped to.

He has condemned this dead man on a video which will be watched by many other Bangladeshi and now even us here!!

Is that a correct thing to do?

He has spread hate for this dead man and his family will be ostracised for this very unfair remark - a remark he may have never made, but this Speaker slipped it in to be a hero for the moment and stooped so low as to use him to prove a point.

Eastwest and Integra by thanking you may find such a despicable and condemnable thought very honourable to condemn the dead who cannot defend themselves, but then I do not share that view.

In fact, I find this man an incorrigible wretch of humanity.

A scum with scum like thought.
 
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Yes, you are 100% right. During the Pala Dynasty's encouragement many Hindus of all the Castes accepted Budhism. But, Sena Kings discouraged Budhism. So, the Budhists had to re-convert or re-enter into the Hindu fold. However, all of them were forced to accept the lowest rank in the Hindu Caste system, although many of those converts' forefathers belonged to higher ranks.

Well they did not re-enter into hinduism but were considered De-Fecto Hindu of lower caste under the Sena political system. Even today Hindus of India/BD think Buddhism is infact Hindu. Buddhism were predominant long before Pala Dynasty since the time of Ashuka (MahastanGhar??). Pala dynasty was eshtablished by populist buddhist through a democratic process. There were no conquest or invasion.
 
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You seem to very passionate about Bangladesh and 71 although none of us really care about your feeling. You can shove it because your root has been dug out and then thrown in to river Gonga or some place else. :smokin:

Most Awami leaders did not fight in liberation war. They were hiding and having good time in your part of Bengal. Thanks to their mother Indira. Words on the street is that some of the Awami leaders were found drunken in side the gutter of Calcutta. :what:

What your opinion about Awami league? :coffee:

For a rootless Bihari, your culture stops at chewing khaini.

Hence you will not understand that the philosophy and culture of Bengal.

It is sans made made boundaries.

It is on the esoteric realm and beyond the comprehension of collaborators!

As far as Awami Leaguers who won practically 100% of East Pakistan's vote to challenge the West Pakistani supremacy and lien on Pakistan, if they hid wherever you claim they did, they did not hide in the gutters like the collaborators.

Not that it make a difference as to who rules Bangladesh.

If you have a problem with the Awami League, don't wash your dirty linen in public!
 
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What, you wanted all the old guys to run around with sword in their hand ?
Did Lincoln ever faught or Winston Churchill? You are funny. Next time you will send Khaleda Zia to Indian border.. LOL

A retarded excuse. I didn't know that Amu, Tofael, Razzak, surenjit and other were at their 80's in 71. Face it, Awami is party of big mouth cowards and you should commit suicide for supporting this Hindu dalals.
 
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