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Bangladesh:Gunfight at BDR headquarters

You seem like an admitting and enlightened person to me, brother. If you knew that Mujib was convicted for Agartala conspiracy, power wasn't handed to AL due to its victory through farce, its back stabbing on LFO then would you still pursue the route of Hindu conspiracy AKA seperating our land from bigger federation to ghettoise us through Muktijuddha?

I was about reply to your question---which perhaps I must. However, looking at all available (to me) reports, posts, articles in various newspapers, chronicles, blogs, forums I have access to, this morning, I am now haunted by a Question of mine---as regards to what is happening in connection to BDR mutiny. I need an answer to that first and fast. Can anyone help ?

QUESTION:

If the (lady) surgeon herself is against the patient-under-surgery, and the surgeon's son owns the only cemetry in the town....what chance of recovery the patient has got ?
 
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Have any of you noted the article “Leaving Crocodile tear for the killers in Bangladesh” on 19 March 2009 in American Chronicle ?

Sunita Paul, the author has lately thrown some light on the activities of Grand Lad Joy in USA against the interest of Bangladesh Army.

With that kind of friend of Bangladesh as Joy, do we really need any more enemy ?

At the end, Sunita has raised an issue---very timely, very appropriate---as follows:

What happened in Dhaka during February 25-26 is unimaginable and intolerable. But, what is happening now is even worst.

An elected government in Dhaka is rather active in salvaging the killers and their patrons instead of ensuring proper investigation and trial. On the other hand, it is also learnt that, investigations are unnecessarily delayed and interfered by the influential members of the government.


For details, see American Chronicle | Leaving Crocodile tear for the killers in Bangladesh

Sunita Paul was born in 1952 in an affluent family in Kochin, India. She obtained her twice Masters in Political Science and journalism. Later she worked with a number of research institutions and started writing for nuemrous newspapers and periodicals in India and overseas. In recent times, her works have appeared in Sunday Ledger, African Times, Global Politician, Jerusalem Post, Women's World, Insight Magazine, Europe Post, The Asian Tribune, Countercurrents, American Thinker, Intelligence Reporteur etc.

I would like to add to that,she is a pro-Israeli and she admits that.Read some of her articles in Global Politician.
 
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okay,is Joy still pissed off that elements of the army killed his grandad or he is a puppet under foreign control?
 
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If the (lady) surgeon herself is against the patient-under-surgery, and the surgeon's son owns the only cemetry in the town....what chance of recovery the patient has got ?

If the lady surgeon is Hasina, patient is Bangladesh and her son is as referred as AL then the chance of recovery is negetive, IMO.
 
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Leaving Crocodile tear for the killers in Bangladesh

Sunita Paul


Human Rights Watch (HRW), a New York City based non-governmental organization, which sent a letter to Bangladeshi Prime Minister, Sheikh Hasina Wajed only few weeks back with the plea of dismantling Forces Intelligences of Bangladesh Armed Forces, has issued a fresh statement on the February Massacre, which took place inside Bangladesh Riffles (border security guards) headquarters in Dhaka, killing large number of Army officers, thus leaving numerous wounded and abused.

According to international news media, United States based Human Rights Watch urged Bangladesh's new democratically elected government on March 19, 2009 to end human rights abuses, saying there was widespread torture and intimidation in the country.

"The human rights situation in Bangladesh is poor. There is widespread torture and security agencies get away with murders, tortures and intimidations ... there is a culture of impunity that must be ended," Brad Adams, Asia director for Human Rights Watch, told a news conference.

"We expect the new government to keep its promises to address all these problems and this is what Bangladeshi voters expect."

Hasina told parliament recently that "Suggestions and opinions of the rights organizations will be duly incorporated in the government policy to uphold human rights."

Earlier on the day, Bangladesh government announced that it will hold court martial for paramilitary border guards involved in a mutiny last month in which more than 80 people were brutally murdered.

Nearly 200 members of the Bangladesh Rifles (BDR) have been detained for the revolt over wages that began on Feb. 25 at the headquarters of the paramilitary force in Dhaka and then spread to a dozen other towns.

"We have decided to try the mutineers under court martial, as the BDR is commanded and managed by the army regulations," Shafique Ahmed, minister for Law, Justice and parliamentary affairs told reporters.

"It will be ensure justice," he said.

The revolt, which lasted 33 hours and ended after the rebels laid down their arms, stoked concerns over the stability of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's two-month-old civilian government.

Meanwhile, already controversial minister in the present government, who earlier said that militants have penetrated into Bangladesh´s law enforcing agencies and disciplined forces, told reporters on March 19, 2009 that the trial procedure of the BDR mutiny case will be the "speediest one possible".

Before I discuss the untold mystery of the sudden enthusiasm of Human Rights Watch, let me give here one more important fact.

Bangladeshi government has asked a team of the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) working in its capital Dhaka to help uncover any foreign links to last month's border guards mutiny. Guess who made such request! Yes, absolutely, it is none but the same Lt. Col. Faruk Khan. Experts opining on this specific request from the Bangladeshi authorities said, does the government want FBI to investigate foreign links or discover foreign link? Some even believe that, government must be inclined in using FBI in painting an imaginary foreign link story. It is even learnt from valid sources that, Bangladeshi authorities have requested FBI and other foreign investigators in identifying possible militant link to this sordid Massacre.

7-member FBI team is now in Dhaka, while a team of the Scotland Yard of the United Kingdom also came to Bangladesh to help probe into the last month's BDR carnage.



Again, let us get back to the HRW issue. Prior to sending their representative to Bangladesh only a couple of days back, this group had series of meetings with a number of important players in the ruling party in United States, including the son of the present Prime Minister. It was reported that Sajib Wajed Joy, who lives in United States for years, proclaims to be the advisor to his mother, Prime Minister Hasina Wajed.

Sajib had been extremely vocal against Bangladesh Armed Forces and he was interviewed or quoted in a number of influential medias in the worlds. Joy has close ties with several think-tanks in United States and reportedly hired one of such think-tank cum lobbyist group in continuing massive propaganda and persuation against DGFI (Directorate General of Forces Intelligence), Rapid Action Battalion (RAB), Bangladesh Army and army´s involvement in politics. Since the February Massacre in Dhaka in February, 2009, Sajib Wajed Joy repeatedly said that, the murders and mutiny inside the Bangladesh Riffles headquarters took place due to corruption of BDR officers (army officers on deputation), pressure upon BDR soldiers by the armymen and huge difference of facilities and other benefits of Bangladesh Army and the Bangladesh Riffles.

As part of Joy´s anti-army propaganda, a number of international groups were hired to intervene into the February Massacre issue. HRW´s latest statement might have certain links to such efforts of Joy. Moreover, many of the front-ranking Awami League leaders were directly or indirectly involved behind the BDR Mutiny. Meanwhile, two of the most controversial figures, whose names came at the front right after the mutiny, Jahangir Kabir Nanak (present a state minister for local government ministry) and Mirza Azam (ruling party´s whip in the parliament), have suddenly disappread from the media. It is even reported that, both were ready to flee the country, once the investigation reports were already done. Investigators so far have identified more than 15 Awami League and 8 BNP men held responsible for patronizing or instigating or funding the mutiny. Another city leader of the ruling party named Torab Ali Akhand (who earlier served in BDR) is already being grilled by investigation agencies after arrest. Akhand already mentioned names of a few influential Awami League leaders, including a close relative of the Prime Minister as his patron in the bloody mutiny. He also told interrogators that a few dozens of arms and thousands of round of ammunitions as well as ´some´ Arges grenades were taken from him by some leaders of Bangladesh Chatra League (Student´s front of the ruling party) and Jubo League (youth front of the ruling party). Torab was the custodian of looted arms, ammunitions and explosives from BDR headquarters after the mutiny. He also, at the instruction of an influential Awami League leader brought out prossession in favor of the mutiny to give encouragement to the mutineers.

What happened in Dhaka during February 25-26 is unimazinable and intollerable. But, what is happening now is even worst. An elected government in Dhaka is rather active in salvaging the killers and their patrons instead of ensuring proper investigation and trial. On the other hand, it is also learnt that, investigations are unnecessarily delayed and interfeared by the influential members of the governmemt.

American Chronicle | Leaving Crocodile tear for the killers in Bangladesh
 
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If the lady surgeon is Hasina, patient is Bangladesh and her son is as referred as AL then the chance of recovery is negetive, IMO.

In that case, let us ponder united what we can do to save now this ever-suffering land of ours---and refer less to those issues that may dis-integrate us more than whatever we are now.

Did you ever notice that ever-languishing mother who had brought up six sons who now earn and maintain own family, but who together do not take care of their mother as to make her happy. Is not it the same for our poor dear Bangladesh ?
 
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I would like to add to that,she is a pro-Israeli and she admits that.Read some of her articles in Global Politician.

But is she yet capable of saying some truth that might help Bangladesh to understand who had stabbed us on the back ?

Yet, your point is well taken. I checked the following MOST SENSATIONAL leads ---as appear from various sources upon cross-checks---are as follows:

1. Joy had been working hard to damage DGFI and Bangladesh Armed Forces since last few weeks, and also post-BDR carnage weeks : Corroborated : Herald Tribune & Sunita in American Chronicle
2. Outside hands are behind his carnage---not a spontaneous mutiny to realize demands : Corroborated : FBI, SP Akand & other sources
3.3 decision makers of this Govt. involved----Ref: Sepoy Sepoy Kajol, Sepoy Selim, and Zakir @ sources in Investigators to Spcl Correspondent of The Naya Diganta. One of then got elected in recent election. Not corroborated by any yet
4.Torab Ali was involved in some preparatory meeting and Procession on behalf of ‘rouge’ BDR : Corroborated : News Reports
5. Nanok was found in conversation with DAD Towhid even before the occurance that Nanok declines: : Corroborated : News Reports
6.Nanok & Ajam were about to flee. Sunita in American Chronicle , not corroborated by any yet
7.Nanok & Ajom have suddenly disappeared from the media : Corroborated : News Reports
8. State Minister Nanok is the first one of BAL Govt. to announce : Crores of Tk changed hands: : Corroborated : News Reports
9. JMB is involved, says Commerce Minister: Contradicted by Investigators
10. SQC is involved : Reports Indian Press : Not Corroborated by local News Reports
11.15 X BAL and 8 X BNP men are involved : Sunita in American Chronicle, not corroborated by any
12. 4 X Planners' Meetings were held by BDR DADs, NCOs & Sepoys in beteen 16th and 23rd March. Important Political persons were contacted by these planners. Reported again by The Naya Diganta (22 March 09) :Not corroborated by any See: http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=135339&sec=1

Note that #11---the most conflicting lead---is supplied by Sunita but not yet been corroborated.

Also---the most sensational #3 & #12----have not been corroborated yet. These 2 leads, if valid, can determine presence / absence of any state power behind the carnage.

#6 is also an ‘eye-opener’ lead by Sunita but not yet corroborated.

TO ALL : In case any above are mis-stated, please correct as you find.
 
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I am surprised about how Salahuddin Shoiab Choudhury and Sunita Paul know so much. I have noticed some of what they say is actually never corroborated or were proved entirely false and is usually based on speculation. Nevertheless on some points they are dead right. I think a large part of what they write is sensationalism but containing an essential core of truth and inside information probably provided by MOSSAD or CIA.
 
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Note that #11---the most conflicting lead---is supplied by Sunita but not yet been corroborated.

I would not be surprised if this was true,we know in many families a brother is AL leader and another is BNP leader,so that they always remain in power one way or the other.This people what we call as "subidhabadi" can do anything for their profit.That includes damaging their own country.
 
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So far investigation has found quite a few leads. Some with corroboration and some are still in process of further investigation and some of the leads are oblivious but we may never find concrete evidence because by nature of the plan, scheme and party/foreign country involvement. But talking to different sources here is the general understanding and leads:

Planning

1) BDR massacre was done under direct sponsorship, planning and supervision of India.

2) In this massacre plan, there are two major stake holders. India and Awami League top leadership mostly inspired by Sheik Hasina and her son Joy. Indian goal and benefit does not need any explanation but Hasina, her son and her sister has old grudge against Bangladesh Army as institution. This massacre plan further intensified after detainment of Hasina during interim administration of 2007-2008.

3) Overall plan was made in India and executed by India but closely coordinated with Awami League stake holders and involved local team.

Execution

4) This massacre of army officers was planned and executed by involving two different teams. Creation of two different teams was not only for planning and operation effectiveness but also for propaganda benefit and cover up plan.

5) One team was BDR insiders and CORE of that team had no more than 20-30 people. This insider team was instigated and prepped to create unrest, break chain of command and distraction. Their job was to hold the DG and all other officers’ hostage to pursue made up grievances. Most of this BDR inside team was kept in dark about existence of second team and about the impending mass officers killing mission.

6) Another team of foreign/Indian origin was used for most of the massacre. This second team was well aware of BDR inside team and their job was to kill as many officers within short time and get out.

Escape, Propaganda and Plan for Cover-up

7) As different newspaper, some army officers (in conversation with PM) indicated and investigators found evidence that top Awami League leaders and ministers (Sahara Khatun, Shoel Taj, Jahangir Kabir Nanok, and Mirza Azam) are involved.

8) Awami League govt not only knew what will take place in Peelkhana but also entrusted with plan to hold off any army action and create safe passage for both external/Indian and internal BDR team.

9) As with any high stake anti state subversive operation, master planner and stake holders in this case planned for high intensity propaganda war to derail the investigation, cover-up and corner the armed forces even further. To this end different set of Awami League ministers and leaders has been used including Prime Minister own son with endless supply of money and reach to US think tank and media outlets.

10) Goal of this propaganda are to confuse and divert public attention, delay investigation and ultimately keep the sponsor, instigator, stake holders and involvement of second team from investigation and public knowledge. That left only one involve party to be convicted, that is BDR inside team. But some already suspect that some of the inside team members might have fled Bangladesh and may eventually be killed by master planner and sponsor of this massacre.
 
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So far investigation has found quite a few leads. Some with corroboration and some are still in process of further investigation and some of the leads are oblivious but we may never find concrete evidence because by nature of the plan, scheme and party/foreign country involvement. But talking to different sources here is the general understanding and leads:

Planning

1) BDR massacre was done under direct sponsorship, planning and supervision of India.

WHooa...what leads...what understanding....U mean the trial on this forum...your govt. has not said anyhing....people involved with investigation has not said anyhing.....
2) In this massacre plan, there are two major stake holders. India and Awami League top leadership mostly inspired by Sheik Hasina and her son Joy. Indian goal and benefit does not need any explanation but Hasina, her son and her sister has old grudge against Bangladesh Army as institution. This massacre plan further intensified after detainment of Hasina during interim administration of 2007-2008.

3) Overall plan was made in India and executed by India but closely coordinated with Awami League stake holders and involved local team.

gr8 more verdict from trial on this forum...truth..well who cares .....

Execution

4) This massacre of army officers was planned and executed by involving two different teams. Creation of two different teams was not only for planning and operation effectiveness but also for propaganda benefit and cover up plan.

5) One team was BDR insiders and CORE of that team had no more than 20-30 people. This insider team was instigated and prepped to create unrest, break chain of command and distraction. Their job was to hold the DG and all other officers’ hostage to pursue made up grievances. Most of this BDR inside team was kept in dark about existence of second team and about the impending mass officers killing mission.

6) Another team of foreign/Indian origin was used for most of the massacre. This second team was well aware of BDR inside team and their job was to kill as many officers within short time and get out.

Escape, Propaganda and Plan for Cover-up

7) As different newspaper, some army officers (in conversation with PM) indicated and investigators found evidence that top Awami League leaders and ministers (Sahara Khatun, Shoel Taj, Jahangir Kabir Nanok, and Mirza Azam) are involved.

8) Awami League govt not only knew what will take place in Peelkhana but also entrusted with plan to hold off any army action and create safe passage for both external/Indian and internal BDR team.

9) As with any high stake anti state subversive operation, master planner and stake holders in this case planned for high intensity propaganda war to derail the investigation, cover-up and corner the armed forces even further. To this end different set of Awami League ministers and leaders has been used including Prime Minister own son with endless supply of money and reach to US think tank and media outlets.

10) Goal of this propaganda are to confuse and divert public attention, delay investigation and ultimately keep the sponsor, instigator, stake holders and involvement of second team from investigation and public knowledge. That left only one involve party to be convicted, that is BDR inside team. But some already suspect that some of the inside team members might have fled Bangladesh and may eventually be killed by master planner and sponsor of this massacre.

Well guess u r not intrested in truth...well whatever suits you...but remember Pakistan all the time denied that terrorism is germenating on their homeland...and now the they have the whole monster to fight...point...either you find the truth and hold the person responsible...even if its India......or Just keep feeding rumors and just play the rhetoric politics....but in case of later truth will haunt the future of BD


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WHooa...what leads...what understanding....U mean the trial on this forum...your govt. has not said anyhing....people involved with investigation has not said anyhing.....

gr8 more verdict from trial on this forum...truth..well who cares .....

Well guess u r not intrested in truth...well whatever suits you...but remember Pakistan all the time denied that terrorism is germenating on their homeland...and now the they have the whole monster to fight...point...either you find the truth and hold the person responsible...even if its India......or Just keep feeding rumors and just play the rhetoric politics....but in case of later truth will haunt the future of BD

tx

With due regards to you, I don’t see why you should be upset.

idune has not submitted any FIR or Charge Sheet here. I think he has put forward a plausible theory covering possible motive, plan & execution pattern and associated other activities of perpetrators----astonishingly which appears to be parallel with that of many others in Bangladesh. That means : still there are many who have other theories of their own.

Like idune----a good many other Bangladeshis are having ‘trials’ of there own at home or in any forum of their choice---because people widely lost their trust and hope----based on several events staged by BAL Govt----to get a timely true report on BDR carnage under current BAL Govt. BAL lost the first layer of their face, and already has come under doubt by general mass. These 'private trials' one day will have severe strength of its own---you may trust this.

My findings / comments are as below [in blue]:

Planning
1) BDR massacre was done under direct sponsorship, planning and supervision of India….. Most think so

2) In this massacre plan, there are two major stake holders. India and Awami League……The motive is thought wider by many. This massacre plan further intensified after detainment of Hasina during interim administration of 2007-2008.---a possibility to some

3) Overall plan was made…….. Most think so.

Execution
4) This massacre of army officers was planned and executed by involving two different teams……Shared by many

5) One team was BDR insiders and CORE of that team had no more than 20-30 people …… Most think so.

6) Another team of foreign/Indian origin was used for most of the massacre…… Most think so, but are still looking for hard evidence or atleast more corroboration in support.

Escape, Propaganda and Plan for Cover-up
7) As different newspaper…..Many include Taposh and indicate him to be the man (with Torab) behind the procession.

8) Awami League govt not only knew ……Many are convinced of this, even if not all of above.

9) As with any high stake anti state subversive operation………Many think so

10) Goal of this propaganda are ….. Many think so.
 
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off topic but it's need to be address....
So out of all relevant issues, you decided to picked on survivor with irrelevant questions because he contribute positively to this thread. Who are you and what's your point anyway? Why can't you think outside the box if you are really a Bangladeshi though I have doubt and what different does it make whether he is Pakistani or Bangladeshi. He feel close to Bangladesh and pay closer attention to bd's affair just like some of us also worry about Pakistan. Maybe you forgot that Bangladesh was part of Pakistan on time in the history. Either contribute positively or be invisible from the thread. :tsk:

I asked a question to survivor just because I am really curious. I have very simple mind and I do not pick people,like for example you picked me. I would appreciate if you know the answer to my question and then reply to my post. Thanks.
 
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Having interest about Bangladeshi matter does not make one Bangladeshi.If that was the case then we are probably Pakistani,Chinese,Russian,American,Indian and what more.As we have interest on their matter.

You have to respect the identity one shows here.

If I really meant what you understood from my writing, I'd not be in this forum in the first place brother. I asked him if he was a Bangladeshi or Pakistani. Very simple and harmless question. We just like to take things a bit too far;):cheers:
 
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So far investigation has found quite a few leads. Some with corroboration and some are still in process of further investigation and some of the leads are oblivious but we may never find concrete evidence because by nature of the plan, scheme and party/foreign country involvement. But talking to different sources here is the general understanding and leads:

Planning

1) BDR massacre was done under direct sponsorship, planning and supervision of India.

2) In this massacre plan, there are two major stake holders. India and Awami League top leadership mostly inspired by Sheik Hasina and her son Joy. Indian goal and benefit does not need any explanation but Hasina, her son and her sister has old grudge against Bangladesh Army as institution. This massacre plan further intensified after detainment of Hasina during interim administration of 2007-2008.

3) Overall plan was made in India and executed by India but closely coordinated with Awami League stake holders and involved local team.

Execution

4) This massacre of army officers was planned and executed by involving two different teams. Creation of two different teams was not only for planning and operation effectiveness but also for propaganda benefit and cover up plan.

5) One team was BDR insiders and CORE of that team had no more than 20-30 people. This insider team was instigated and prepped to create unrest, break chain of command and distraction. Their job was to hold the DG and all other officers’ hostage to pursue made up grievances. Most of this BDR inside team was kept in dark about existence of second team and about the impending mass officers killing mission.

6) Another team of foreign/Indian origin was used for most of the massacre. This second team was well aware of BDR inside team and their job was to kill as many officers within short time and get out.

Escape, Propaganda and Plan for Cover-up

7) As different newspaper, some army officers (in conversation with PM) indicated and investigators found evidence that top Awami League leaders and ministers (Sahara Khatun, Shoel Taj, Jahangir Kabir Nanok, and Mirza Azam) are involved.

8) Awami League govt not only knew what will take place in Peelkhana but also entrusted with plan to hold off any army action and create safe passage for both external/Indian and internal BDR team.

9) As with any high stake anti state subversive operation, master planner and stake holders in this case planned for high intensity propaganda war to derail the investigation, cover-up and corner the armed forces even further. To this end different set of Awami League ministers and leaders has been used including Prime Minister own son with endless supply of money and reach to US think tank and media outlets.

10) Goal of this propaganda are to confuse and divert public attention, delay investigation and ultimately keep the sponsor, instigator, stake holders and involvement of second team from investigation and public knowledge. That left only one involve party to be convicted, that is BDR inside team. But some already suspect that some of the inside team members might have fled Bangladesh and may eventually be killed by master planner and sponsor of this massacre.

To summarize you.

1.A total of around 20-30 BDR Insider's involved. Which according to you have fled bangladesh.

2.Foreign/Indian team which pulled the trigger, while the BDR Insider team was creating unrest.

3.AL gave safe passage to the executioner, with the BDR team in the premise and the BD Army covering the premise from outside.

4.Government machinery is being used to create propoganda war to derail the investigation and corner the BD army. All this while you have a institution called army and FBI investigating this in parallel.


Why dont you approach your supreme court and ask them to look into this serious allegation's whereby YOUR country's PM herself is involved in having early knowledge of this massacre. You should file a public litigation against her for derailment of her duty as a PM.


You should ask your chief of army for an a answer as to why did the army allow the executioners a safe passage? An institution which has the capability to overthrow a government, capability to elect a care taker government, can very well take hasina to task. Let your army bring justice. If they cant, let BDR do the honors.

You should lastly call upon your media and ask them to confront India's propaganda war. Just think of how low it would make them feel to know that a foreign government engineered this carnage and is actively creating a false propaganda to blame it on you poor soul's. Wake up BD media. Wake up and fight against this monster's.

Lastly i would suggest FBI to seek you for your deep analytic skills. I would remember this post with fond memories.
 
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