Bangladesh Economic & Infrastructure Development - Updates & Discussions

[Bengal71]

And China did not put a single coin in that begging bowl despite Imran Khan ran all the way to Beijing in a recent event. Pak president was received in China by an unimportant Chinese minister. These shows the worth currently the begging bowl enjoy. But you would not get that impression here. Here it seems, the begging bowl is the center of universe. All hails to atum bum.

It's just so ludicrous some of the Pakistani members' opinions. They are saying BD is dependent on charity of others? BD went through poverty and hunger of the highest order imaginable, today we are almost equal to them and will soon surpass, they are living in lala land and thumping chest.

 

[JohnWick]

It's just so ludicrous some of the Pakistani members' opinions. They are saying BD is dependent on charity of others? BD went through poverty and hunger of the highest order imaginable, today we are almost equal to them and will soon surpass, they are living in lala land and thumping chest.

but why ur Air Force has only 8 old
mig-29s
Weakest air force in the world.....

 

[Bengal71]

but why ur Air Force has only 8 old
mig-29s
Weakest air force in the world.....

Because we felt like it.

 

[JohnWick]

Because we felt like it.

Hahahaha... But v r scared from

You.

 

[bluesky]

You should stop acting like a boy who cry wolfs. I think, you have chronic anxiety problem and a habit of predicting doom and gloom prematurely. We have lowest external debt to GDP ratio in the region. And our external debt to GDP ratio actually declined in the last 15 years. We can afford taking loan to build one or two nuclear power plant. I request you for 2 things-

1. Stop seeing the shadow of Pakistan on everything related to Bangladesh, specially the economy.

2.Stop expecting every country to follow Japanese model of development(one example being not taking loan at all). Time, place, situation, culture is different.

Do not talk about Japan and other western modernized economies. Stupids in BD cannot take the country to that level in the next million years. But, I also expect BD not to follow Pakistan model. BD is following more of that. Buy now and pay later, as if BD will have the authority to print dollars and use iron as gold. Pakistan used up even $33 billion US money.

So, instead of playing happy goes lucky, please let us hear where from the money will come. It is certainly not the rainfall that will pour dollars. BD govt should have thought minutely before indulging in the prestige projects which you guys are celebrating here.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Yes as you know
Bangla is an emerging super power...
In the world although it's Air Force has only
8 ancient mig-29s ........

but why ur Air Force has only 8 old
mig-29s
Weakest air force in the world.....

Despite having only 8 old mig-29, we do not face much problem, perhaps it is the reason why Bangladesh has only 8 mig-29. There are many countries in the world, whose military size is not proportionate to their weight. Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, Indonesia, Germany, Canada have military far below the size when one compared with their demographic, economic, geographic and political weight in the world. Even US, the biggest economic power before ww2, had military smaller than Romania(a minor European power in that times) even in 1939. Because, US before ww2 was not seeking a role of global policeman. But once US entered ww2, it surpass everyone in military power within a few years. Now do you want to tell me that, US before ww2 was not a heavyweight country? I am not comparing Bangladesh with US, just gave an example. You Pakistanis have a habit of judging a country by just looking at the size of their military, but unable to understand that, not every country in the world take military as seriously as Pakistan. It depends on their threat perception. Bangladesh with 300 billion dollar economy, certainly can afford a much larger military than currently it has. But our threat perception is not that urgent.

 

[JohnWick]

Despite having only 8 old mig-29, we do not face much problem, perhaps it is the reason why Bangladesh has only 8 mig-29. There are many countries in the world, whose military size is not proportionate to their weight. Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, Indonesia, Germany, Canada have military far below the size when one compared with their demographic, economic, geographic and political weight in the world. Even US, the biggest economic power before ww2, had military smaller than Romania(a minor European power in that times) even in 1939. Because, US before ww2 was not seeking a role of global policeman. But once US entered ww2, it surpass everyone in military power within a few years. Now do you want to tell me that, US before ww2 was not a heavyweight country? I am not comparing Bangladesh with US, just gave an analogy. You Pakistanis have a habit of judging a country by just looking at the size of their military, but unable to understand that, not every country in the world take military as seriously as Pakistan. It depends on their threat perception. Bangladesh with 300 billion dollar economy, certainly can afford a much larger military than currently it has. But our threat is not that urgent.

Haha haha
Analogy US and Bangela
US before WWll Pearl Harbor no one can think to attack US. That's why it has somewhat conservative but it does not mean that it has only 8 old fighter planes.
USA has s enough force that during World War 1 it single handily with UK defeated Turkey and ruined the So called Caliphate
As far as your country let's compare
First let's start US
150+ planes in storage fighters like f-16
Bengla=nothing
At least 10 years of reservoir of oil
Bengla=nothing
Most modern technology in planes
Bengla=nothing
Have 1000+ nukes
Bengla=nothing
Having at 5 years of food reservoirs
Bengla=nothing
World largest weapon dealer.
Bengla=nothing
thousands of tons steels reservoirs
Bengla=nothing

Companies like
Lockheed Martin
Boeing
Northrop and Grumman
General dynamics
These war factories can support them by instantly building fighters


Bengla =nothing

World largest group of modern forces NATO which can support him during war

Bengla=nothing

World largest owner of weapon industry
Bengla=nothing
During WW2
7 Aircraft carriers
Bengla =nothing
World biggest OIL supplier
Bengla=nothing
Having 8 old migs is a plus point of Bengla

 

[UKBengali]

Despite having only 8 old mig-29, we do not face much problem, perhaps it is the reason why Bangladesh has only 8 mig-29. There are many countries in the world, whose military size is not proportionate to their weight. Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, Indonesia, Germany, Canada have military far below the size when one compared with their demographic, economic, geographic and political weight in the world. Even US, the biggest economic power before ww2, had military smaller than Romania(a minor European power in that times) even in 1939. Because, US before ww2 was not seeking a role of global policeman. But once US entered ww2, it surpass everyone in military power within a few years. Now do you want to tell me that, US before ww2 was not a heavyweight country? I am not comparing Bangladesh with US, just gave an analogy. You Pakistanis have a habit of judging a country by just looking at the size of their military, but unable to understand that, not every country in the world take military as seriously as Pakistan. It depends on their threat perception. Bangladesh with 300 billion dollar economy, certainly can afford a much larger military than currently it has. But our threat perception is not that urgent.

BD needs much larger military and should be looking to increase defence spending to at least 2% of GDP by 2030.
BD has no option as it has India and Myanmar as neighbours.

Military is being increased at a steady rate but the BAF is lagging behind.

 

[Mage]

Remittances are already included in current account...which is in big and increasing deficit. @doorstar

https://www.thedailystar.net/business/economy/current-account-deficit-set-cross-record-10b-1606693

BD institutional credibility is not keeping pace either, but has stagnated and some say even declined. So BD overseas citizens (earning in USD, GBP, Euro) etc that are not day wage labourer types (that do the C.A remittance instead) will have less reason than before to send long term maturity capital to BD reserves (by way of govt bonds etc).

BD must focus on economic, banking and stock market reform right now before its too late.

What I was saying that I don't understand how things add up.
BD's exports + Remittance is certainly higher than imports. Yet lately Forex has been stagnant/slightly decreasing.
Couple of years ago we used to see news like 'Forex reserve record high' in every 2-3 month in this section of PDF. Have you noticed how they disappeared?

Well they had three huge factors they had going for them compared to South Asia right now:

1) Massive non-saturation of the model of exporting manufactures to the US (that is now much more crowded, esp because of China). Even with Japan existing and ahead in the chain... there was plenty of room if you look at the raw capital pressure difference of labour costs etc. Dictator Park chung hee (who was an officer in Japanese military during WW2, knew fluent Japanese etc) set things to utilise this expediently.

2) Japan nearby to provide both easy loans, expertise and investment regarding things they were leaving behind (or had developed excess capacity in like Steel etc) in their economy (and they had less than 100 million people back then....unlike China now which has 1.4 billion people to "get through" the process after putting its very large foot in the door back in the late 80s....thus they will be quite a lot more slower intensity wise to move this stuff to South Asia next...so South Asia has to improve itself much more to compete for same amount transferred before...).

3) Confucian + very homogeneous culture. Basically its more resistant to religion, identity politics, blame narrative politics seeping in (that inevitably create and focus the bureaucracy towards stated objective to share/redistribute whats already there rather than focusing on growing it to a much bigger size quickly). Ties into 1 + 2 well too.

Well put. I have to read more about it to discuss further.

BD must focus on economic, banking and stock market reform right now before its too late.

Banking sector is going down the drain. Govt are giving approving way too many banks and the bank owners are using this opportunity to plunder the capital of the banks. Then ask govt to bail out......BD need to reduce the number of banks. Someday ago the finance minister expressed his frustration about govt giving approval to five new banks despite his disagreement.
Stocks are doing okay for now I guess.
BD needs a hard reset in economic sectors. Even if it cause some short term problems. But not likely. Even if BNP or someother gains power they're likely to continue the same sort of economic policies.

Basically current bureaucratic arteries need to get unclogged as much as possible so more economic free market blood can get pumped everywhere.

Bureaucrats are untouchable in BD. Because they help the govt to keep their power. No govt will touch them. What happens, when a new govt comes, the bureaucrats that are deemed loyalists of the previous govt are transferred to less important places or made OSD(Officer in Special Duty, in other words, no duty just collect your paycheck every month).

You should stop acting like a boy who cry wolves. I think, you have chronic anxiety problem and a habit of predicting doom and gloom prematurely. We have lowest external debt to GDP ratio in the region. And our external debt to GDP ratio actually declined in the last 15 years.

I don't have problems with BD borrowing money for building infrastructures. But BD has to gain the knowledge and expertise too. Tell me, after Dhaka metro rail, will we be able to develop Chittagong metro rail without foreign involvement? Will we be able to develop the 2nd nuclear power plant, bridges like Padma bridge ourselves? If not than more money should be put into education and industrial training than those infrastructures. One reason I support the nucelar power plant is at least BD people will learn how to operate a nuclear power plant. It's not the structure that is necessary but the knowledge and expertise.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Haha haha
Analogy US and Bangela
US before WWll Pearl Harbor no one can think to attack US. That's why it has somewhat conservative but it does not mean that it has only 8 old fighter planes.
USA has s enough force that during World War 1 it single handily with UK defeated Turkey and ruined the So called Caliphate
As far as your country let's compare
First let's start US
150+ planes in storage fighters like f-16
Bengla=nothing
At least 10 years of reservoir of oil
Bengla=nothing
Most modern technology in planes
Bengla=nothing
Have 1000+ nukes
Bengla=nothing
Having at 5 years of food reservoirs
Bengla=nothing
World largest weapon dealer.
Bengla=nothing
thousands of tons steels reservoirs
Bengla=nothing

Companies like
Lockheed Martin
Boeing
Northrop and Grumman
General dynamics
These war factories can sport them by instantly building fighters


Bengla =nothing

World largest group of modern forces NATO which can support him during war

Bengla=nothing

World largest owner of weapon industry
Bengla=nothing
During WW2
7 Aircraft carriers
Bengla =nothing
World biggest OIL supplier
Bengla=nothing
Having 8 old migs is a plus point of Bengla

Mentally challenged inbred listen, I have clearly said in previous post that their is no comparison between US before 1939 and Bangladesh. Just given an example. Still you inbred choose to write this pile of shit comparing current US and Bangladesh. US before ww2 was not certainly a major military power. After the end of ww1, US enacted a policy of neutrality, dismantled most of it's existing weapon in 1920s. During 1930s, it's military was ranked Behind Romania although it was the largest economy in that times.

 

[JohnWick]

Mentally challenged inbred listen, I have clearly said in previous post that their is no comparison between US before 1939 and Bangladesh. Just given an example. Still you inbred choose to write this pile of shit comparing current US and Bangladesh. US before ww2 was not certainly a major military power. After the end of ww1, US enacted a policy of neutrality, dismantled most of it's existing weapon in 1920s. During 1930s, it's military was ranked Behind Romania although it was the largest economy in that times.

You was giving an analogy

 

[Nike]

Despite having only 8 old mig-29, we do not face much problem, perhaps it is the reason why Bangladesh has only 8 mig-29. There are many countries in the world, whose military size is not proportionate to their weight. Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, Indonesia, Germany, Canada have military far below the size when one compared with their demographic, economic, geographic and political weight in the world. Even US, the biggest economic power before ww2, had military smaller than Romania(a minor European power in that times) even in 1939. Because, US before ww2 was not seeking a role of global policeman. But once US entered ww2, it surpass everyone in military power within a few years. Now do you want to tell me that, US before ww2 was not a heavyweight country? I am not comparing Bangladesh with US, just gave an example. You Pakistanis have a habit of judging a country by just looking at the size of their military, but unable to understand that, not every country in the world take military as seriously as Pakistan. It depends on their threat perception. Bangladesh with 300 billion dollar economy, certainly can afford a much larger military than currently it has. But our threat perception is not that urgent.

Your analogy is failed in first place

While its true about the US pre WWII doesnt have the weight in military likes the Germany, japan, Sovyet or UK. BUT, US big advantage is their highly educated population (in large number to boot yet many unemployed at the times) , along with their heavy industries capabilities in which they proudly call themselves as arsenal of democracy and Natural resources they had been blessed. They more like Chinese today in which most industrial product at the times is actually made in USA. Just the number of Sherman tank they can producing in one year is enough to arming an Army level unit, not to mention the number of P51 Mustang, bomber and so on.

Back to Bd conditions today, Bd doesnt have major heavy industries in reasonable number (automotive, engine block for trucks and car, and so on) in which can be converted into military product at any given times if required. Bd lacks of large scale of chemical factory to build ammonia and other anorganic industrial product (necessary to build propellant) . Bd lacks number of research units to back up military industry and research. Bd doesnt have meaningful Natural resources to be converted and use into war use like iron ore, coals, oil, mangan, nickel, zinc and the likes of supported units like cottons, sugar, potassium, nitrate, and so on.

Actually in case of Brazil and Mexico they dont have significant external threat, its very clear as they are within the core of USA sphere of influence area. Indonesia just recently rearming themselves, in which put Indonesia as top ten largest weapon importer https://www.google.co.id/url?sa=t&s...FjAKegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2ekAkktbRFjwuHQpin15HY

Actually in tie with Pakistan just in five years time frame. Germany, Canada case, they dont have necessity to put military first policy like US, Russia or China.

Meanwhile Bd had several flash point with Myanmar and Rohingya case actually quite severe and if it happened against any country in ASEAN can flare up into military conflict (they drove their people into other country boundaries, using firearms in border area and breach airspace with armed chopper firing in anger) well if its Indonesia we put war first before negotiation.

 

[Species]

Your analogy is failed in first place

While its true about the US pre WWII doesnt have the weight in military likes the Germany, japan, Sovyet or UK. BUT, US big advantage is their highly educated population (in large number to boot yet many unemployed at the times) , along with their heavy industries capabilities in which they proudly call themselves as arsenal of democracy and Natural resources they had been blessed. They more like Chinese today in which most industrial product at the times is actually made in USA. Just the number of Sherman tank they can producing in one year is enough to arming an Army level unit, not to mention the number of P51 Mustang, bomber and so on.

Back to Bd conditions today, Bd doesnt have major heavy industries in reasonable number (automotive, engine block for trucks and car, and so on) in which can be converted into military product at any given times if required. Bd lacks of large scale of chemical factory to build ammonia and other anorganic industrial product (necessary to build propellant) . Bd lacks number of research units to back up military industry and research. Bd doesnt have meaningful Natural resources to be converted and use into war use like iron ore, coals, oil, mangan, nickel, zinc and the likes of supported units like cottons, sugar, potassium, nitrate, and so on.

You don't need to have everything indigenous, things could be imported as well. Though we are yet to be much industrialized, the picture is not as dire as you're portraying, especially in the shipbuilding sector, Bangladesh Navy is already moving ahead towards self-reliance.

What @Homo Sapiens arguing is, Bangladesh military is weak not because we are incapable of building a strong military rather because our national priorities were different. The current size of our economy could afford to have a military at least on par with Pakistan.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Your analogy is failed in first place

While its true about the US pre WWII doesnt have the weight in military likes the Germany, japan, Sovyet or UK. BUT, US big advantage is their highly educated population (in large number to boot yet many unemployed at the times) , along with their heavy industries capabilities in which they proudly call themselves as arsenal of democracy and Natural resources they had been blessed. They more like Chinese today in which most industrial product at the times is actually made in USA. Just the number of Sherman tank they can producing in one year is enough to arming an Army level unit, not to mention the number of P51 Mustang, bomber and so on.

Back to Bd conditions today, Bd doesnt have major heavy industries in reasonable number (automotive, engine block for trucks and car, and so on) in which can be converted into military product at any given times if required. Bd lacks of large scale of chemical factory to build ammonia and other anorganic industrial product (necessary to build propellant) . Bd lacks number of research units to back up military industry and research. Bd doesnt have meaningful Natural resources to be converted and use into war use like iron ore, coals, oil, mangan, nickel, zinc and the likes of supported units like cottons, sugar, potassium, nitrate, and so on.

Actually in case of Brazil and Mexico they dont have significant external threat, its very clear as they are within the core of USA sphere of influence area. Indonesia just recently rearming themselves, in which put Indonesia as top ten largest weapon importer https://www.google.co.id/url?sa=t&s...FjAKegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2ekAkktbRFjwuHQpin15HY

Actually in tie with Pakistan just in five years time frame. Germany, Canada case, they dont have necessity to put military first policy like US, Russia or China.

Meanwhile Bd had several flash point with Myanmar and Rohingya case actually quite severe and if it happened against any country in ASEAN can flare up into military conflict (they drove their people into other country boundaries, using firearms in border area and breach airspace with armed chopper firing in anger) well if its Indonesia we put war first before negotiation.

You also misunderstanding me, I gave example of US to make a point that, sometimes a country can be big in economy, population and other stuffs but still maintain a small military. I have clearly said in original post, again clearly said,''I am not comparing US with Bangladesh'', Why you guys are acting like this? Is there any rule that a Bangladeshi can not give example of US? Why you are comparing the technological, educational capabilities and resource base of US and Bangladesh? Stop this nonsense.

Currently Brazil, mexico, Germany certainly have smaller military than they are capable of maintaining given their economic and demographic might. I gave example of pre-1939 US, because it was an extreme case of imbalance between economic might and military might back then in 1930s. Bangladesh also can maintain a much larger military than it has currently if we start following example of militarily strong countries like Vietnam, Pakistan, Egypt etc. who have population and economic size comparable to Bangladesh but have taken defence very seriously. Are these line too difficult for you to understand or you guys looking an opportunity to insult Bangladesh at any cost by twisting the meaning of what I said?

 

[Species]

Are these line too difficult for you to understand or you guys looking an opportunity to insult Bangladesh at any cost by twisting the meaning of what I said?

Either low on comprehension skills or just attention-seeking low-life trolls.

Now wait for that Indian dalit to quote and trigger them further to start another shit-storm.