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Bangladesh becomes 4th largest remittance source for India (official figure $10 billion)

This is not correct way and link is already provide and it is his home country and source is his State bank. If i was him, i will check state bank website for confirmation or write to them for confirmation. This is definitely not correct approach nor correct way to approach investigation. The guy need to focus on his basic first.

Actually if you read the article it says :
The remittances were sent through illegal channels but deposited with declaration to different Indian banks, told the sources of the Reserve Bank of India. Illegal foreign worker can’t remit money from Bangladesh but the illegal Indians are frequently doing the practice.
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They were found working in different establishments such as NGOs, garments, textile, IT and sent money back home through hundi transfer systems.

The 'Hundi' method is not exactly traceable because it bypasses State Bank. the source claimed is RBI. which has no way of knowing if the money claimed really came as remittance from BD or just some shell companies.
 
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Who is doing investigation here? Money laundering is happening and Indians are sending back money is known to all. There may be some disagreement about the money that is sent but it does not change the fact that money is going out of Bangladesh. So many example is shown with reference how it is happening.
Yes money goes out of every nation. BD is no exception. However, in this case I think it is not even clear if the money was earned in BD in the first place or BD was a conduit to hide the source or may the money never hit BD banks in the first place but got laundered and 'marked' as money from BD as remittance.

One of the reason was demonetization. At that point, many people who preferred to do cash transaction in India switched to forex to hide their identity while keeping their money in foreign accounts.
 
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Yes money goes out of every nation. BD is no exception. However, in this case I think it is not even clear if the money was earned in BD in the first place or BD was a conduit to hide the source or may the money never hit BD banks in the first place but got laundered and 'marked' as money from BD as remittance.

One of the reason was demonetization. At that point, many people who preferred to do cash transaction in India switched to forex to hide their identity while keeping their money in foreign accounts.


To the best of my knowledge it is couple of thing. 1. Indians are remitting money, 2. hundi for illegal import export including under invoicing 3. money laundering itself 4. Some Indians might be using Bangladesh as a source to whitening the black money.

The source said it is around 10 billion usd. It can be little for or less but the amount itself is significant.
 
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The source said it is around 10 billion usd. It can be little for or less but the amount itself is significant.

Well, this is where I disagree. I will say we do not know what the amount is. And an anonymous source is quite untrustworthy. It could be a peon in RBI who knows nothing.
So officially, there is 112 million dollars worth of remittance.
Illegally, I don't know and none of these 'news sources' have a reliable estimate.
Lastly, illegal movement of money, by this virtue is something we cann't be sure where it comes from. Does it originate from BD? I don't know.
Until someone does a proper investigation, it is hard to comment on illegal movement of wealth.

And yes, a proper investigation means you are ready to bet your credentials on it, not the deniable anonymous source.

Also, would you mind changing the title of this thread and removing "Official figure is 10 billion dollars" part. We have a number of official figures which put it to 112 million dollars. For illegal transactions, we have no reliable figure.
 
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The last word of course is - there are huge numbers of illegal Indians residing and working in Bangladesh depriving locals of their just income and livelihood.

This cannot be allowed to continue.
 
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$286 Billion GDP nominal economy sending remittance of $10 billion per annum to Bharat , around 2% of GDP even if this exaggerated figure by Bangla is true ,it all.good when it is hard currency but alas it is all based on a anonymous source in RBI quoting these figures and the phenomenal increase from 2010 RBI report ,it is clear that it is another propaganda article by BNP and Jamaat cadre aimed at awami league and it's policy of friendship with India ,the BNP and Jamaat cadre regularly release propaganda articles to taint the Hasina govt and it's good governance policy
 
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$286 Billion GDP nominal economy sending remittance of $10 billion per annum to Bharat , around 2% of GDP even if this exaggerated figure by Bangla is true ,it all.good when it is hard currency but alas it is all based on a anonymous source in RBI quoting these figures and the phenomenal increase from 2010 RBI report ,it is clear that it is another propaganda article by BNP and Jamaat cadre aimed at awami league and it's policy of friendship with India ,the BNP and Jamaat cadre regularly release propaganda articles to taint the Hasina govt and it's good governance policy

It is continuation of the 2012 figure which was 3.7 billion usd. Whatever the figure is there are huge number of illegal Indian working in Bangladesh (By home ministry as of 2009 it was estimated at .5 million and now it is more than million) doing work illegally, depriving local population from their job, sending money illegally, involved in illegal import export trading and money laundering and concourse drug business. Bangladesh government must stop this.
 
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It is continuation of the 2012 figure which was 3.7 billion usd. Whatever the figure is there are huge number of illegal Indian working in Bangladesh (By home ministry as of 2009 it was estimated at .5 million and now it is more than million) doing work illegally, depriving local population from their job, sending money illegally, involved in illegal import export trading and money laundering and concourse drug business. Bangladesh government must stop this.
Sources for all these claims?
 
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Sources for all these claims?


I shared with you daily star link. Look into that.

Regarding illegal Indian staying in Bangladesh.. this is 2009 report

https://web.archive.org/web/2009081...financialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/26/74259.html

During the seminar, the Indian high commissioner mentioned that every year 25,000 Bangladeshis enter into India with visa and they do not return. They are not aware where they are staying. Bangladesh government has brushed aside the Indian high commissioner's claim. Bangladesh has not received any official communication from the government of India in this regard. In this context, the result of a survey of Indian nationals staying in Bangladesh may be cited. According to this survey, about 0.5 million (5.0 lakh) Indians are staying in Bangladesh illegally. They are working in different establishments and sending money home through hundi. The Indians are working in NGOs, garments, textile, IT and many other places. Most of them came on tourist visas and then stayed back through illegal means. Information about illegal staying of Indians in Bangladesh is available with the ministry of home affairs of Bangladesh.
 
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I do not understand why Indians especially Sanghis have a hard time believing that Indians would want to stay and work in Bangladesh illegally.

What is so earth-shattering about this finding??
 
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I do not understand why Indians especially Sanghis have a hard time believing that Indians would want to stay and work in Bangladesh illegally.

What is so earth-shattering about this finding??
The issue I think is not that.
Issue is this :

1. The international organizations report 112Million USD legal remittance from BD to India.

2. We hear from BD news papers widely crazy numbers like 'illegal remittance' of 10 billion USD. Previously they quoted a number in 2012 as 3.5 billion USD.

3. They point to some 'survey' which is no where to be seen. Here is one think tank CPD. They talk about a survey, but the survey itself is no where to be seen. No sample size, no methodology, no survey raw data nothing! Just some wild numbers! (https://cpd.org.bd/index.php/cpd-study-bangladesh-indian-remittance-source/)

4. The claims are not congruent with the reality. To siphon off 10 billion dollars from BD -- 2% of entire BD's GDP-- it will take even for a illegal immigrant workforce of 1 million, around 10,000 dollars per person per year. That is about 6.5 lakh INR in saving! To put it in perspective, one need to have an engineering degree or better to even have a salary of 6.5 Lakh INR in the sub continent. I doubt there are 1 million jobs in BD for moderately qualified engineers. Also, engineer making north of 7-8 Lakh INR are not going to work illegally in BD. The job is simply too precious to risk on deportation. Also, no employer will employ an employee with a responsiblity for which they will pay 7-8 Lakh INR and keep them illegally. Because illegal workers are not reliable! Today they are here, tomorrow, they are gone or deported!

Ultimately, onus is on those who make incredible claims. If Indians are siphoning off 2% of BD's entire GDP then BD needs to present clearly how this is happening. Claiming low paid RMG workers making this much is not going to float.

As such I think these are wild claims with no bearing in reality. If this is real, then its not unskilled labours making money, something else is happening then. Some thing like money laundering at massive scale. BD need to tighten the screws on its banking system then so money launderers cannot use its economy to wash the dirty money originating from India.
 
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Bangladesh becomes 4th largest remittance source for India
Posted By: daily industryon: July 02, 2018In: Bangladesh, Bank & finance, Biz World, World WideNo Comments
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India remits $10b in 2017 from Bangladesh
At least 1.0 m Indian people working in BD



Special Correspondent: Bangladesh becomes 4th largest remittance source for India, remitting about $10.00 billion in 2017. Whereas, Bangladesh has fetched total of $13.53 billion remittance in the same year. India remits $ 8.320 billion in 2016 from Bangladesh, which was $4.5 billion in 2014. The remittances were sent through illegal channels but deposited with declaration to different Indian banks, told the sources of the Reserve Bank of India. Illegal foreign worker can’t remit money from Bangladesh but the illegal Indians are frequently doing the practice.

There are hundreds of thousands of Indians in Bangladesh, most of them are illegal migrants and refugees. According to data produced by the Ministry of Home Affairs, as many as 500,000 Indians were staying in Bangladesh illegally in 2009. They were found working in different establishments such as NGOs, garments, textile, IT and sent money back home through hundi transfer systems. But actual figure of illegal Indians in Bangladesh may be one million till date, it is also foretasted by World Bank and International Migration Organisation of United Nations.

In 2012, Bangladesh was the fifth among the nations sending highest remittances to India. Indians working in Bangladesh sent more than $3.7 billion back to India in 2012. Making Bangladesh the 5th largest source of remittance in India. This is the official figure while the unofficial figure is estimated to be significantly more. Most of them came on tourist visas and tended to stay back.

The migrant community has often been a source of contention between the two countries; according to available reports, the lakhs of Indians illegally staying in the country hailed from the Indian states of West Bengal, Meghalaya, Assam, Tripura and Mizoram and were spread across numerous urban and rural areas.

On July 2016, four thousand Indians took refuge in Lalmonirhat, Bangladesh after floods in West Bengal, India.

Remittances to low- and middle-income countries rebounded to a record level in 2017 after two consecutive years of decline, says the World Bank’s latest Migration and Development Brief.

The WB estimates that officially recorded remittances to low- and middle-income countries reached $466 billion in 2017, an increase of 8.5 percent over $429 billion in 2016. Global remittances, which include flows to high-income countries, grew 7 percent to $613 billion in 2017, from $573 billion in 2016.

Remittance inflows improved in all regions and the top remittance recipients were India with $69 billion, followed by China ($64 billion), the Philippines ($33 billion), Mexico ($31 billion), Nigeria ($22 billion), and Egypt ($20 billion).

The other issue, which is far more serious in nature if viewed in the context of its impact on the economy, was raised by the Centre for Policy Dialogue (CPD), a private think tank.
The CPD at a recent press conference said Bangladesh has become the 4th largest remittance source of India, with around $10 billion dollar sent in 2017.

The issue of outflow of funds to neighbouring India deserves immediate official attention. Thousands of so-called skilled Indian and Sri Lankan nationals, both legal and illegal, have been working mainly in the country’s apparel industry. Because of the geographical proximity, the number of Indian nationals is far greater than that of the Lankans.

Many Indian nationals are, reportedly, also working in the information technology (IT) sector and a good number of them do not have valid work permits. The government agencies concerned have never taken the issue of illegal foreign nationals in due cognizance for reasons best known to them. Only recently, the law enforcing agencies managed to detain a few illegal foreign nationals, most of whom have their origins in Africa.

A country which has considerable dependence on the remittance money earned by its nationals at the cost of their sweat and blood cannot afford the reverse flow of funds for reasons that can be addressed rather easily.

Is it that difficult to develop skilled human resources locally to replace the Indians and Sri Lankans employed in the local apparel factories? It should not be a big asks for a nation which is only second to China in apparel exports. Neither the country’s policymakers nor the apparel factory owners have been serious enough to take note of the issue and do the needful.
It is understood that foreign nationals who are being hired by the domestic apparel units, are technical hands. The industry is now more than three decades’ old and industry operators are well aware of the manpower requirement. But it is not known whether they have ever raised the issue of technical manpower requirement with the policy-makers and requested the latter to help fill the vacuum.

But there is no room for any further delay to find out the replacement and stop the outflow of hard-earned foreign exchange. There are lots of technical institutions imparting primary, intermediate and higher level technical education. The trade bodies representing the apparel sector might sponsor foreign trainers so that a few of these institutions can create skilled hands enough to meet the requirement of their member units.

The sources of Bangladesh Bank told Daily Industry that the boosting of foreign currency reserve has become stagnant due to fund erosion by the illegal foreign expats. The forex reserve stood at $ 33 billion in 2016 but there is not increase during last three years, whereas, the export earnings have increased around 7 percent and the remittance of the country slightly decreased, the BB sources added.

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The issue I think is not that.
Issue is this :

1. The international organizations report 112Million USD legal remittance from BD to India.

2. We hear from BD news papers widely crazy numbers like 'illegal remittance' of 10 billion USD. Previously they quoted a number in 2012 as 3.5 billion USD.

3. They point to some 'survey' which is no where to be seen. Here is one think tank CPD. They talk about a survey, but the survey itself is no where to be seen. No sample size, no methodology, no survey raw data nothing! Just some wild numbers! (https://cpd.org.bd/index.php/cpd-study-bangladesh-indian-remittance-source/)

4. The claims are not congruent with the reality. To siphon off 10 billion dollars from BD -- 2% of entire BD's GDP-- it will take even for a illegal immigrant workforce of 1 million, around 10,000 dollars per person per year. That is about 6.5 lakh INR in saving! To put it in perspective, one need to have an engineering degree or better to even have a salary of 6.5 Lakh INR in the sub continent. I doubt there are 1 million jobs in BD for moderately qualified engineers. Also, engineer making north of 7-8 Lakh INR are not going to work illegally in BD. The job is simply too precious to risk on deportation. Also, no employer will employ an employee with a responsiblity for which they will pay 7-8 Lakh INR and keep them illegally. Because illegal workers are not reliable! Today they are here, tomorrow, they are gone or deported!

Ultimately, onus is on those who make incredible claims. If Indians are siphoning off 2% of BD's entire GDP then BD needs to present clearly how this is happening. Claiming low paid RMG workers making this much is not going to float.

As such I think these are wild claims with no bearing in reality. If this is real, then its not unskilled labours making money, something else is happening then. Some thing like money laundering at massive scale. BD need to tighten the screws on its banking system then so money launderers cannot use its economy to wash the dirty money originating from India.

@Shamsher1990 the biggest component of the hundi is illegal import of goods to Bangladesh , under invoicing and sometime over invoicing which has negligible import duty, drugs that is coming from India, cow trade, second is the money that is sent by Illegal Indian, 3rd capital flight by local Bangladeshis mainly Hindus. There may be tiny portion may originate from India. The main money that comes from India is for gold smuggling or using Bangladesh as gold smuggling route, smuggling petrol, diesel etc as these are cheap in Bangladesh etc. In all these scenarios Bangladesh is losing money.

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Wake up call to stop this draining of money and kick the illegal Indian out.
 
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