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Wearing Pugrees in the army by various North Indian tribes (including Pashtuns, Punjabis) was started by the British that has been continued by various Armies in the subcontinent including that of Bangladesh. Pakistan Army did not itself 'donate' Pugree tradition to Bangladesh army divisions. I don't know where you got that impression.
It actually did considering there existed no bengali regiments or corps during that time ... As bangalis like other central and South Indians were never recruited by the British army... So yea the traditions that Bangladeshi army today follow come from Pak Army regiments .. Each of which had/has its own... Even the pagree this Bangladeshi fellow is wearing is actually a Panjabi Musalman soldiers turban ;

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Bangladeshi soldier
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A few Turban styles according to race/region worn by British troops from the subcontinent
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Unless you think bangalis actually wore Panjabi pagrees during old times.. When they weren't even part of the British army.


The Pakistani Army Pugree dress was inherited from British Army practice of it starting around the time of Sepoy Mutiny onward (1857 to present). That said - modern armies in the subcontinent should give up wearing this sort of thing as this tradition is one of subservience, as demonstrated in our History. 1857 was so long ago.

Nonsense .. Turbans have always been part of our culture...

Here is a pic of Mir Mahmud II Khan of Kalate State and his soldiers testing a machine gun;

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A Major of the State of Bhawalpur Army wearing their native cap

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The British army only accommodated their cultural traditions.


Decorative headgear was a tradition that derived from the British Army (and other European Army) traditions of wearing Western European types of headgear during dress-marches on special occasions like victory day. The British Army officers themselves wore Pugrees (Skinner's Horse, Bengal Cavalry etc.) so they could command the 'natives' more easily. The fact that a few Brit men controlled entire companies of Indians is shameful in itself.


The Europeans never wore turbans rather helmets ...


The British officers of British Indian army adopted the traditions of their regiments .. A British officer of a Panjabi musalman regiment would wear the PM turban and hence forth..
 
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127th Baluch Light Infantry – Lance Naik Wazeer Khan (a Baloch from Rind tribe)



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l to r: Baluchi soldier from the Rind tribe, 27th Regiment, circa 1865; soldiers of the Baluch 26th Regiment, 1897.


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127th Queen Mary's Own Baluch Light Infantry (10 Baloch). Watercolour by AC Lovett, c. 1910.

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37th Lancers (Baluch Horse) (left). Watercolour by Major AC Lovett, 1910.

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Subedar Major Mir Kambir Khan Rind Baloch was a prominent Baloch officer in the Indian Army. His painting adorns the official history book of 24th Baluch ...



 
It actually did considering there existed no bengali regiments or corps during that time ... As bangalis like other central and South Indians were never recruited by the British army... So yea the traditions that Bangladeshi army today follow come from Pak Army regiments .. Each of which had/has its own... Even the pagree this Bangladeshi fellow is wearing is actually a Panjabi Musalman soldiers turban ;

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Bangladeshi soldier
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A few Turban styles according to race/region worn by British troops from the subcontinent
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Unless you think bangalis actually wore Panjabi pagrees during old times.. When they weren't even part of the British army.




Nonsense .. Turbans have always been part of our culture...

Here is a pic of Mir Mahmud II Khan of Kalate State and his soldiers testing a machine gun;

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A Major of the State of Bhawalpur Army wearing their native cap

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The British army only accommodated their cultural traditions.





The Europeans never wore turbans rather helmets ...


The British officers of British Indian army adopted the traditions of their regiments .. A British officer of a Panjabi musalman regiment would wear the PM turban and hence forth..

I see that you have completely accepted the 'Martial Race' theory with turbans as part of the requisite headgear (pomp and circumstance). To me - these traditions are a vestige of the British Raj and are shameful reminder of our subservient past. We as a subcontinental entity did not have either the guts or the organizing capability of the Japanese to head off a couple of shiploads of British merchants.

I suggest you read more on the concept of the 'Martial Race' (which was a manipulative tool of the Brits) and not just accept it readily because it complements some people from the NorthWest region of the subcontinent.

"British general and scholar Lieutenant-General Sir George MacMunn (1869–1952) noted in his writings "It is only necessary for a feeling to arise that it is impious and disgraceful to serve the British, for the whole of our fabric to tumble like a house of cards without a shot being fired or a sword unsheathed".[6] To this end, it became British policy to recruit only from those tribes whom they classified as members of the 'martial races', and the practice became an integral part of the recruitment manuals for the Army in the British Raj. According to Jeffrey Greenhut, "The Martial Race theory had an elegant symmetry. Indians who were intelligent and educated were defined as cowards, while those defined as brave were uneducated and backward."[7]

The British regarded the 'martial races' as valiant and strong but also intellectually inferior, lacking the initiative or leadership qualities to command large military formations.[8] They were also regarded as politically subservient or docile to authority.[9] For these reasons, the martial races theory did not lead to officers being recruited from them; recruitment was based on social class and loyalty to the British Raj.[10] One source calls this a "pseudo-ethnological" construction, which was popularized by Frederick Sleigh Roberts, and created serious deficiencies in troop levels during the World Wars, compelling them to recruit from 'non-martial races'.[11] Winston Churchill was reportedly concerned that the theory was abandoned during the war and wrote to the Commander-in-Chief, India that he must, "rely as much as possible on the martial races".[12] After Indian Independence, the Indian Army abandoned this theory and recruitment took place without discrimination.[citation needed]

Critics of the theory state that the Indian rebellion of 1857 may have played a role in reinforcing the British belief in it. During this event the troops from the Bengal Native Infantry led by sepoy Mangal Pandey mutinied against the British. The Bengal troopers were recruits drawn from the martial stock of Bhumihars and Rajputs of Bihar and eastern Uttar Pradesh. However, the loyal Pashtuns, Punjabis, Gurkhas, Kumaoni/Kumaunis and Garhwalis did not join the mutiny, and fought on the side of the British Army. From then on, this theory was used to the hilt to accelerate recruitment from among these 'races', whilst discouraging enlistment of 'disloyal' troops and high-caste Hindus who had sided with the rebel army during the war.[13]

Some authors, such as Heather Streets, argue that the military authorities puffed up the images of the martial soldiers by writing regimental histories, and by extolling the kilted Scots, kukri-wielding Gurkhas and turbaned Sikhs in numerous paintings.[14] Richard Schultz, an American author, has claimed the martial race concept as a supposedly clever British effort to divide and rule the people of India for their own political ends.[15]"

It is important to note that the Brits simply recruited the most uneducated and destitute from these martial races. These natives were hardly officer material, nor were the British looking for any from these ranks. They were looking for subservient order-bearers, not independent thinkers. Giving command of armies to natives was hardly what the Brits had planned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_race

To wit - this discussion is still OT, and I won't be responding to any more posts, no offense. Let's open separate thread if you want to discuss.... @waz and @WAJsal bhais can we move the previous few posts between @DESERT FIGHTER and myself to a new thread please? Many Thanks.
 
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I see that you have completely accepted the 'Martial Race' theory with turbans as part of the requisite headgear (pomp and circumstance). To me - these traditions are a vestige of the British Raj and are shameful reminder of our subservient past. We as a subcontinental entity did not have either the guts or the organizing capability of the Japanese to head off a couple of shiploads of British merchants.

Not really.. If you weren't so thick headed you would have understood to cruz of my post .. Which was regarding Bangladeshi army still following Pak army traditions .. For example wearing Pak turbans .. Worn by Panjab regiment troops..


As for gutts.. Well it was the battle of plassey which was the established the British in the region .. Lost due to Nawab Siraj ud daullahs stupidity... Happened in modern day Bangladesh I believe.



I suggest you read more on the concept of the 'Martial Race' (which was a manipulative tool of the Brits) and not just accept it readily because it complements some people from the NorthWest region of the subcontinent.

"British general and scholar Lieutenant-General Sir George MacMunn (1869–1952) noted in his writings "It is only necessary for a feeling to arise that it is impious and disgraceful to serve the British, for the whole of our fabric to tumble like a house of cards without a shot being fired or a sword unsheathed".[6] To this end, it became British policy to recruit only from those tribes whom they classified as members of the 'martial races', and the practice became an integral part of the recruitment manuals for the Army in the British Raj. According to Jeffrey Greenhut, "The Martial Race theory had an elegant symmetry. Indians who were intelligent and educated were defined as cowards, while those defined as brave were uneducated and backward."[7]

I don't know who this geofry guy is but is the so called martial races weren't "smart" .. I doubt they would have applied the same theory on their own European soldiers .. Namely the English and the Scots .. Whom were believed to be martial and warlike...

As for education and intelligence .. I doubt South Indians (with their breast taxes).. central Indians or Bengalis were humanity's last hope.. Considering how backward those regions were ... Unlike Modern Day Pak (Indian Panjab included),Nepal and even Rajhistan..
The British regarded the 'martial races' as valiant and strong but also intellectually inferior, lacking the initiative or leadership qualities to command large military formations.[8] They were also regarded as politically subservient or docile to authority.[9] For these reasons, the martial races theory did not lead to officers being recruited from them; recruitment was based on social class and loyalty to the British Raj.[10] One source calls this a "pseudo-ethnological" construction, which was popularized by Frederick Sleigh Roberts, and created serious deficiencies in troop levels during the World Wars, compelling them to recruit from 'non-martial races'.[11] Winston Churchill was reportedly concerned that the theory was abandoned during the war and wrote to the Commander-in-Chief, India that he must, "rely as much as possible on the martial races".[12]
The British army museum actually boasts a large collection about each and every race down to tehsil and village level reports regarding the people of those regions .. Their attributes etc... And having read official British historians and books by British officers .. The above opinion is nothing but absolute rubish...

And if loyality was the measure for being "martial race" than Baluch,Pashtun and even some Panjabi regions would have been the last on the list of the so called martial races .. Considering the resistance the British faced and kept facing till they went home in those regions ...

Il give you an example... I'm a Marri Baloch .. The British considered us a "Savages" (coz we hunted and resisted them,ambushing them on passes .. Attacking their garrison .. Despite the Quetty Treaty).. And yet we were called martial races and encouraged to join the British army (very few did)..


After Indian Independence, the Indian Army abandoned this theory and recruitment took place without discrimination.[citation needed]

This is another lie.


Some authors, such as Heather Streets, argue that the military authorities puffed up the images of the martial soldiers by writing regimental histories, and by extolling the kilted Scots, kukri-wielding Gurkhas and turbaned Sikhs in numerous paintings.[14] Richard Schultz, an American author, has claimed the martial race concept as a supposedly clever British effort to divide and rule the people of India for their own political ends.[15]"

It is important to note that the Brits simply recruited the most uneducated and destitute from these martial races. These natives were hardly officer material, nor were the British looking for any from these ranks. They were looking for subservient order-bearers, not independent thinkers. Giving command of armies to natives was hardly what the Brits had planned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_race
This is also untrue ... Many Panjabi Muslims,Pashtuns actually sided with the rebels ... And were executed .. Sikhs however remained loyal because of a prophecy they believed that British were there to help them against the Mughals .. Who slaughtered their gurus... Aswell as some Panjabis who hated the Hindustani soldiers for fighting and helping the British occupy Panjab state...

And yet Panjabi Muslim and Pashtun regiments mutineed in Singapore and Mesopotamia when order to fight the Muslim Ottomans.. And even that didn't stop the recruitment of those groups !
 
Lost due to Nawab Siraj ud daullahs stupidity... Happened in modern day Bangladesh I believe.

Nawab Siraj Ud Dowlah was not Bengali and the battle of Palashi (Plassey) is situated in present day India (near Murshidabad).

Thik Hai Bhai - Bangladesh was backward region. Now that you got that off your chest, hope you're feeling better and vindicated. :-)
 
Russia's successor to the BTR-80 is called the "BUMERANG", let's take a look (since we own more than a thousand of these BTR's):

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This is a new-generation Russian armored personnel carrier, modeled after the US Stryker and other modern APC's. It was developed to replace the BTR-series APCs. The Bumerang was first publicly revealed in 2015. During the same year a handful of pre-production vehicles were delivered to the Russian Army. Full-scale production could begin in 2016. It is estimated that Russian Army has a requirement for around 2 000 Bumerang armored personnel carriers.

The Bumerang is a clean sheet design and is not based on any previous Russian APC designs. It actually resembles Western wheeled armored vehicles more than any BTR design. Design flaws of the previous Soviet and Russian APCs, such as rear-mounted engine, side exit and cramped crew compartment were fixed. Its layout is similar to that of Western design APC's.

The main drawback of Soviet-era APCs like BTR's was a rear-mounted engine. Troops had to leave the vehicle through the side doors, and were exposed to enemy fire. Bumerang has engine and transmission mounted in the middle and troop compartment is located at the rear.

It is believed that maximum level of all-round protection with add-on armor is against 14.5-mm armor-piercing rounds. Vehicle has a V-shaped hull and can survive mine blasts.

The Bumerang can be fitted with remotely-controlled turrets, armed with 30-mm cannons, coaxial 7.62-mm machine guns and 4 launchers with Kornet-M anti-tank guided missiles. There is also a version armed with a single 12.7-mm machine gun.

Vehicle is fully-amphibious and is propelled by two water-jets in the water.

Like its tracked counterpart Kurganets-25, the APC variant has the 12.7mm RWS and the IFV variant the Epoch Almaty remote turret. In a departure from previous BTR designs it features a front-mounted engine enabling troop ingress at the rear of the vehicle, in contrast to the more exposed side access seen in the BTR series.

Despite their scheduled appearance at the Victory Day parade, these platforms have yet to enter operational service. Only about a dozen of each variant are thought to currently exist, so they could represent pre-production examples for evaluation purposes. If the platforms are accepted, it remains to be seen what combination of platforms and variants will be ordered.

Also uncertain is Russia’s ability to finance and mass produce them within required timeframes, with President Putin’s 2012 intention of at least 2,300 new tanks by 2020 remaining ambitious. Instead, the continued procurement of interim vehicles such as the T-72B3 MBT and BTR-82 IFV may continue for some years to come.
 
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It actually did considering there existed no bengali regiments or corps during that time ... As bangalis like other central and South Indians were never recruited by the British army... So yea the traditions that Bangladeshi army today follow come from Pak Army regiments .. Each of which had/has its own... Even the pagree this Bangladeshi fellow is wearing is actually a Panjabi Musalman soldiers turban ;

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Bangladeshi soldier
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A few Turban styles according to race/region worn by British troops from the subcontinent
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Unless you think bangalis actually wore Panjabi pagrees during old times.. When they weren't even part of the British army.




Nonsense .. Turbans have always been part of our culture...

Here is a pic of Mir Mahmud II Khan of Kalate State and his soldiers testing a machine gun;

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A Major of the State of Bhawalpur Army wearing their native cap

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The British army only accommodated their cultural traditions.





The Europeans never wore turbans rather helmets ...


The British officers of British Indian army adopted the traditions of their regiments .. A British officer of a Panjabi musalman regiment would wear the PM turban and hence forth..
Bruh Punjab regiment was formed during British times... and if British didn't recruit bengalis in the army how come MAG osmani become the first Indian subcontinent recruit who was given the rank of major in British army after his braver efforts in Burmese campaign?

And no bengalis were recruited post plassey and were easily identifiable by there physical appearance...
It was only after mutiny of 1857 that British doubted the loyalties of bengalis and started labeling them as non martial race and Pashtuns Punjabis as martial race as they were loyal to the British cause...
The same kind of discrimination was later carried on by Pakistan army. If you ask why Pakistan got divided... it's because of discrimination more than sheikh Mujib/ Bhutto/ Yahya or tikka

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_Army

It actually did considering there existed no bengali regiments or corps during that time ... As bangalis like other central and South Indians were never recruited by the British army... So yea the traditions that Bangladeshi army today follow come from Pak Army regiments .. Each of which had/has its own... Even the pagree this Bangladeshi fellow is wearing is actually a Panjabi Musalman soldiers turban ;

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Bangladeshi soldier
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A few Turban styles according to race/region worn by British troops from the subcontinent
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Unless you think bangalis actually wore Panjabi pagrees during old times.. When they weren't even part of the British army.




Nonsense .. Turbans have always been part of our culture...

Here is a pic of Mir Mahmud II Khan of Kalate State and his soldiers testing a machine gun;

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A Major of the State of Bhawalpur Army wearing their native cap

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The British army only accommodated their cultural traditions.





The Europeans never wore turbans rather helmets ...


The British officers of British Indian army adopted the traditions of their regiments .. A British officer of a Panjabi musalman regiment would wear the PM turban and hence forth..
Speaking of turbans...
Nawab of bengal whose defeat established east India company firmly and mir zafar his general are all depicted with turbans. I don't see how it's Pakistan exclusive thing?
 
I don't know why we keep coming to this forum to get insulted by pakistani pro-wahhabi headchopper of syrians. why we don't have our own forum like defence.bd? if we have some self respect then leave this forum its not for us
 
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Nawab Siraj Ud Dowlah was not Bengali and the battle of Palashi (Plassey) is situated in present day India (near Murshidabad).

Thik Hai Bhai - Bangladesh was backward region. Now that you got that off your chest, hope you're feeling better and vindicated. :-)
If he wasn't Bengali what was he then? Mughal? XD
Seriously I am curious.
Ps. Calcutta was part of bengal at that time...
 
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If he wasn't Bengali what was he then? Mughal? XD
Seriously I am curious.
Ps. Calcutta was part of bengal at that time...
Both Siraj and Mir Jafar were Iraqi arabs.Only the second wife of siraj was a local woman.

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127th Baluch Light Infantry – Lance Naik Wazeer Khan (a Baloch from Rind tribe)


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l to r: Baluchi soldier from the Rind tribe, 27th Regiment, circa 1865; soldiers of the Baluch 26th Regiment, 1897.


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127th Queen Mary's Own Baluch Light Infantry (10 Baloch). Watercolour by AC Lovett, c. 1910.

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37th Lancers (Baluch Horse) (left). Watercolour by Major AC Lovett, 1910.

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Subedar Major Mir Kambir Khan Rind Baloch was a prominent Baloch officer in the Indian Army. His painting adorns the official history book of 24th Baluch ...





i don't see any similiarity between the turban style of that bangladeshi cavalryman and all the pictures you've posted. what a waste of time.
 
Both Siraj and Mir Jafar were Iraqi arabs.Only the second wife of siraj was a local woman.





i don't see any similiarity between the turban style of that bangladeshi cavalryman and all the pictures you've posted. what a waste of time.
Considering sirajs physical appearance... his allegiance to Mughals who are from turkey mainly and his birth place... I don't think he is Iraqi. Need to read more to confirm your and mine claims
 
Considering sirajs physical appearance... his allegiance to Mughals who are from turkey mainly and his birth place... I don't think he is Iraqi. Need to read more to confirm your and mine claims

Siraj was persian.
 

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