Bangladesh and Pakistan : The Table Has Been Turned

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistan was created because Muslims felt Sanskrit is inferior to Arabic and Persian which they bring to the subcontinent.

No. India and Pakistan were created (notice both) because Nehru acted arrogant and refused to arrive at a compromise with Jinnah. Language is not same thing as religion. Arab Christians still speak Arabic for example.

 

[Nike]

It is almost certainly true that BD will catch up and maybe even surpass Pakistan in nominal GDP over the next decade but this is unlikely to last as Pakistan has the advantage of far greater natural resources and it's close alliance with China.

What may happen is that by 2025, BD has a slightly larger economy than Pakistan but from then onwards, stability and investments from China start paying dividends and then Pakistan enters a period of higher growth than BD.

the most important one in Nation Building is human resources building, what i can see clearly right now is Bangladesh had an advantage in Human Resource capacity compared to Pakistan. HDI and other indication clearly show its. The other one is Bangladesh geo-strategic advantage because of the location of Bangladesh is close to three major economic powerhouse, namely China, India and ASEAN, in which the three of them had a great promise in economic prosperity and meanwhile they are relatively politically stable. Meanwhile Pakistan is very close to turbulent Central Asian countries, close to ruined Afghanistan, potentially politically unstable of Iran and actually quite close to the currently at war Yemen. So in long term runs, Bangladesh will had a greater advantage compared to Pakistan economically and politically.

 

[Mrc]

I wish bangladesh all the best and hope they continue on path of developement

 

[Nilgiri]

Bangladesh has an installed electricity capacity of 9 GW as of 2012.

Pakistan has an installed electricity capacity of 23 GW as of 2012.

Bangladesh produced around 52 TWh in 2014, Pakistan around 93 TWh.

Countries with highest electricity generation | The Shift Project Data Portal

Capacity doesn't mean all that much if a lot of it is sitting with low load factor.

What often matters most is where the electricity is being consumed compared to the total amount anyway. i.e is it being consumed by those with already high economic margins or is it being consumed by those that are growing.

China-Pakistan Economic Corridor ($45 billion) is being constructed right now as you type your messages.

China-Bangladesh Economic Corridor ($0 billion) is not even possible right now as you type your messages.

Bangladesh GFCF is around 30% whereas Pakistan is stuck at 13%.

Gross fixed capital formation (% of GDP) | Data | Table

CPEC is very MOU dependent and spread out (judging from this current fiscal years FDI figures so far) and may push Pakistan GFCF to around 20% at most.

Bangladesh is ahead here as well.

You're probably unaware of this but since 1980, in 15 fiscal years the Nominal GDP gap was being closed between Pakistan and Bangladesh but in 21 fiscal years the gap increased. Meaning, Bangladesh loses steam very quickly and as a result has never managed to surpass Pakistan.

Today. Nominal GDP 2015:
Pakistan: $270 billion
Bangladesh: $202 billion

Their more than double GFCF means they will not lose steam in the coming years. Rather it is Pakistan that is very CPEC reliant since every other major investor is decreasing their FDI when Pakistan desperately needs investment to prop up its 13% GFCF rate.

The GDP per capita ratio trend is as follows:

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

Nominal per capita:

1980 Bangladesh was 79% of Pakistan

In 2015 it is now 89% of Pakistan....

There have been dips and swells as you say on both sides at various times.....due to inflation in various years. So lets looks at PPP where price levels are taken into account:

The ratio was:

1980: 59%
1985: 52%
1990: 47%
1995: 47%
2000: 51%
2005: 53%
2010: 63%
2015: 74%

And predicted to be:

2020: 84%

This coincides very well when Bangladesh GFCF increased by leaps and bounds in the mid 90s (crossing the 20% mark and reaching 24% by year 2000).

 

[django]

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[Cyberian]

Bangladesh produced around 52 TWh in 2014, Pakistan around 93 TWh.

Countries with highest electricity generation | The Shift Project Data Portal

Capacity doesn't mean all that much if a lot of it is sitting with low load factor.

What often matters most is where the electricity is being consumed compared to the total amount anyway. i.e is it being consumed by those with already high economic margins or is it being consumed by those that are growing.





Bangladesh GFCF is around 30% whereas Pakistan is stuck at 13%.

Gross fixed capital formation (% of GDP) | Data | Table

CPEC is very MOU dependent and spread out (judging from this current fiscal years FDI figures so far) and may push Pakistan GFCF to around 20% at most.

Bangladesh is ahead here as well.



Their more than double GFCF means they will not lose steam in the coming years. Rather it is Pakistan that is very CPEC reliant since every other major investor is decreasing their FDI when Pakistan desperately needs investment to prop up its 13% GFCF rate.

The GDP per capita ratio trend is as follows:

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

Nominal per capita:

1980 Bangladesh was 79% of Pakistan

In 2015 it is now 89% of Pakistan....

There have been dips and swells as you say on both sides at various times.....due to inflation in various years. So lets looks at PPP where price levels are taken into account:

The ratio was:

1980: 59%
1985: 52%
1990: 47%
1995: 47%
2000: 51%
2005: 53%
2010: 63%
2015: 74%

And predicted to be:

2020: 84%

This coincides very well when Bangladesh GFCF increased by leaps and bounds in the mid 90s (crossing the 20% mark and reaching 24% by year 2000).

Nonsense. Too much wishful thinking.

I have never valued PPP figures otherwise everyone would be migrating to China and India instead of the US and the EU. PPP are a poor man's figures.

GFCF? Is this Bangladesh's new magic wand?

Like I said previously, Bangladesh has an installed electricity capacity of only 8 GW as of 2012 while Pakistan reached 23 GW. Although, Pakistan doesn't use all of that (only between 14-16 GW), still it's there, it's built and work is currently being done to utilise all of it and expand it to 30 GW and beyond in a few years.

Again, 44 years since independence, Bangladesh continues to lag behind Pakistan despite the country has had no wars, no arms race, no nuclear or missile program, I mean no of anything but still lagging behind Pakistan.

Nominal GDP figures 2015:
Pakistan: $270 billion
Bangladesh: $203 billion

Size of Pakistan's Nominal GDP isn't exactly something of a challenge for a prosper and rising economy, therefore, after 44-years since independence anyone would expect Bangladesh to have surpassed Pakistan long ago, at least by the mid-1990s but it would appear four-and-half decades is not enough.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Capacity doesn't mean all that much if a lot of it is sitting with low load factor.

Yes, Pakistan has large installed electricity generation capacity as much of Pakistani capacity is based on hydro power.But actual out put is only about half of that capacity.In BD actual output is around 70-80 percent of capacity.

But what our Pakistani members are not noticing is that, for the last 45 years, electrification in BD happened at much faster rate then Pakistan. West Pakistan generated 838 MW ( 83% of total) compared to 179 MW (only 17%) of East Pakistan, as Pakistani military junta developed only West Pakistan.
Bangladesh Genocide Archive | Why Bangladesh?
But Bangladesh after independence started from almost zero( As most of the power plant were destroyed in 1971) managed to achieve around 70-75 percent of Pakistani electricity output.

 

[bongbang]

But what our Pakistani members are not noticing is that, for the last 45 years, electrification in BD happened at much faster rate then Pakistan. West Pakistan generated 838 MW ( 83% of total) compared to 179 MW (only 17%) of East Pakistan, as Pakistani military junta developed only West Pakistan.
Bangladesh Genocide Archive | Why Bangladesh?
But Bangladesh after independence started from almost zero( As most of the power plant were destroyed in 1971) managed to achieve around 70-75 percent of Pakistani electricity output in the last four decades.

Forget about 71. After getting independence from notorious cohorts, BD added 11,000 MW to capacity of 3000 MW starting from 2009

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[Homo Sapiens]

Forget about 71. After getting independence from notorious cohorts, BD added 11,000 MW to capacity of 3000 MW starting from 2009

News Details

The original article say about 14077 MW not 11000.

 

[bongbang]

The original article say about 14077 MW not 11000.

No I meant it was 3000 in 2009. In 6-7 years 11,000 more added to that.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

No I meant it was 3000 in 2009. In 6-7 years 11,000 more added to that.

OK

 

[Jf Thunder]

damn, :/
time to become West Bangladesh

 

[bongbang]

OK

Do you get it what I meant by getting independence from notorious cohorts? Hint: its not Pakistan.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Do you get it what I meant by getting independence from notorious cohorts? Hint: its not Pakistan.

Yeah. But those cohorts are not totally finished.Lurking beneth the surface waiting for some cracks to reemerge.Peelkhana massacre, petrol bombing in Bus, killing foreigners, bloggers are some attempts to hasten those cracks to turn BD some virtual Pakistan or Syria.