Bangladesh Air Force

[F-6 enthusiast]

Bruh although there was evidence pointing to that direction I’ve changed my mind too. Bd isn’t getting anything until mid 20s
Bunch of pathetic losers. They’ll fly whatever they have till retirement and then replace the birds and call it modernization

Don't understand why armed forces have to be so tight-lipped when procuring anything. It's not like we are under embargoes or anything.
If contract is signed for EFT in 2022 (BAF air show) it will take 3-4 years to get the delivery . So it could be 2025-27. It will also take time to train pilots and crew and get operational clearance. That's Forces goal 2030 i guess.

Mfs wasted 6 years in supposedly trying to get MRCA. 3 years on Su-30 +Mig-35 and 3 years twiddling their thumbs.
if BAF doesn't sign any contract within 2022 (air show) then there is truly no hope for it. We will be at the mercy of Burma which is a failed state.
Seriously, we have an economy almost 5 times as big as Burma. BA and BN have the capabilities to beat them and have done so in the past (NAF war ) but BAF ? What's going to stop them from doing a Pearl Harbour on us ?
Be in no doubt that we have the capability to beat them but we have poor leadership.
Then there are Shushil Shomaj who say '' Eigula kine ki kaje lagbe ?'' National Security comes first before anything else.

An interesting pic to keep discussion on topic

 

[Jobless Jack]

That would mean us finally choosing a side and sticking with it

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To my understanding , alliance is like a club, where everyone has to meet a minimum standard to be in the Club and fulfill a functioning role. If one cannot do that they are kicked out of the club

BD armed forces compared to the PLA is a hilarious joke. So if the PLA is to consider BD an ally , that means they fully expect BD to carry out a functioning role. That clearly means BD must also be given the tools necessary to do carry out the functioning role.

I conclude rapid modernization of the BD military paramilitary and police. Coming months will tell

 

[UKBengali]

Don't understand why armed forces have to be so tight-lipped when procuring anything. It's not like we are under embargoes or anything.
If contract is signed for EFT in 2022 (BAF air show) it will take 3-4 years to get the delivery . So it could be 2025-27. It will also take time to train pilots and crew and get operational clearance. That's Forces goal 2030 i guess.

Mfs wasted 6 years in supposedly trying to get MRCA. 3 years on Su-30 +Mig-35 and 3 years twiddling their thumbs.
if BAF doesn't sign any contract within 2022 (air show) then there is truly no hope for it. We will be at the mercy of Burma which is a failed state.
Seriously, we have an economy almost 5 times as big as Burma. BA and BN have the capabilities to beat them and have done so in the past (NAF war ) but BAF ? What's going to stop them from doing a Pearl Harbour on us ?
Be in no doubt that we have the capability to beat them but we have poor leadership.
Then there are Shushil Shomaj who say '' Eigula kine ki kaje lagbe ?'' National Security comes first before anything else.

An interesting pic to keep discussion on topic
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Well things are not as bad as they look.

BAF has already modernised 4 of its 8 Mig-29s to BM standards and the other 4 will probably be done this year.

MAF's 30 or so Mig-29s all use the old export N-019EB radar, whereas the Mig-29BMs use the more modern N--019P radar and can fire the R-77 BVR missile and anti-ship missiles like KH-31A, which the BAF has already ordered. MAF Mig-29s are not really BVR capable as the radar on them cannot allow the R-27 SARH missile to be used effectively at BVR.

BAF also has 16 F-7BGI, which carry the 86km range KLJ-6A radar and they should ask China to carry out software modifications to allow that plane to fire the SD-10A BVRAAM.

8 Mig-29Bms with R-77/R-27 and 16 F-7BGIs with SD-10As certainly will not be a pushover for MAF.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

Well things are not as bad as they look.

BAF has already modernised 4 of its 8 Mig-29s to BM standards and the other 4 will probably be done this year.

MAF's 30 or so Mig-29s all use the old export N-019EB radar, whereas the Mig-29BMs use the more modern N--019P radar and can fire the R-77 BVR missile and anti-ship missiles like KH-31A, which the BAF has already ordered. MAF Mig-29s are not really BVR capable as the radar on them cannot allow the R-27 SARH missile to be used effectively at BVR.

BAF also has 16 F-7BGI, which carry the 86km range KLJ-6A radar and they should ask China to carry out software modifications to allow that plane to fire the SD-10A BVRAAM.

8 Mig-29Bms with R-77/R-27 and 16 F-7BGIs with SD-10As certainly will not be a pushover for MAF.

They will be getting Su-30SM , if no platform is inducted we will be at a quantitative and qualitative disadvantage.
EFT can shift the balance in our favour. Flankers were useless in 27 Feb
The process of replacing older F-7s needs to start as soon as the EFTs are inducted. This worrying as there wouldn't be enough fighters for controlling the air and by extension the naval airspace in a defensive role.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Don't understand why armed forces have to be so tight-lipped when procuring anything. It's not like we are under embargoes or anything.
If contract is signed for EFT in 2022 (BAF air show) it will take 3-4 years to get the delivery . So it could be 2025-27. It will also take time to train pilots and crew and get operational clearance. That's Forces goal 2030 i guess.

Mfs wasted 6 years in supposedly trying to get MRCA. 3 years on Su-30 +Mig-35 and 3 years twiddling their thumbs.
if BAF doesn't sign any contract within 2022 (air show) then there is truly no hope for it. We will be at the mercy of Burma which is a failed state.
Seriously, we have an economy almost 5 times as big as Burma. BA and BN have the capabilities to beat them and have done so in the past (NAF war ) but BAF ? What's going to stop them from doing a Pearl Harbour on us ?
Be in no doubt that we have the capability to beat them but we have poor leadership.
Then there are Shushil Shomaj who say '' Eigula kine ki kaje lagbe ?'' National Security comes first before anything else.

An interesting pic to keep discussion on topic
View attachment 738889

Bengalis won’t learn until there is a Pearl Harbor on us. Just see what happened with Pakistanis we didn’t fight until the camels back was broken
@DalalErMaNodi and me were discussing this long back we agreed we need Burma to do a Pearl Harbor on us. Only then will be take military seriously

 

[UKBengali]

They will be getting Su-30SM , if no platform is inducted we will be at a quantitative and qualitative disadvantage.
EFT can shift the balance in our favour. Flankers were useless in 27 Feb
The process of replacing older F-7s needs to start as soon as the EFTs are inducted. This worrying as there wouldn't be enough fighters for controlling the air and by extension the naval airspace in a defensive role.

I don't think you can say that Flankers were "useless" on 27th Feb 2019 as PAF did not shoot them down in droves and remember that the main reason that PAF won was that the AIM-120C7 on the F-16 had superior range to the R-77 that India had on their SU-30MKI.

BAF can and should buy the extended range R-77 to fully utilise the long-range BVR capabilities of the Mig-29BM N-109P radar and also ask China for software modifications on the F-7BGI to allow the SD-10A BVR missile to be guided by the KLJ-6A radar.


Yes MAF would still be somewhat superior but just doing the above will make MAF have to fight hard for 2-3 weeks to defeat BAF comprehensively.

Like you say EFT or any other Western fighter for that matter will not now come till 2025 at the very earliest and so best to upgrade what is on hand to quickly and cheaply provide a real boost to the defensive capabilities of BAF, while a new 4+ gen Western fighter is inducted in the middle part of this decade.

 

[Jobless Jack]

Bengalis won’t learn until there is a Pearl Harbor on us. Just see what happened with Pakistanis we didn’t fight until the camels back was broken
@DalalErMaNodi and me were discussing this long back we agreed we need Burma to do a Pearl Harbor on us. Only then will be take military seriously

More chance of the IAF doing a pearl harbour.

The Burmese , given an option will choose the Chinese over the Indian's any day. Modi G is not doing an excellent job of convincing the Burmese otherwise.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

I don't think you can say that Flankers were "useless" on 27th Feb 2019 as PAF did not shoot them down in droves and remember that the main reason that PAF won was that the AIM-120C7 on the F-16 had superior range to the R-77 that India had on their SU-30MKI.

Meteors will outrange R-77. but ueah R-77s could be purchased as stop gap
The availability rates of Flankers are abysmal. One IAF document claimed it was at best 53% (bear in mind india has all facilities to assemble , maintain and overhaul flankers)
too many mechanical parts causing wear and tear.

 

[leonblack08]

Meteors will outrange R-77. but ueah R-77s could be purchased as stop gap
The availability rates of Flankers are abysmal. One IAF document claimed it was at best 53% (bear in mind india has all facilities to assemble , maintain and overhaul flankers)
too many mechanical parts causing wear and tear.

Any idea on the availability rate for Typhoons? Better or worse than Sukhois?

 

[UKBengali]

Meteors will outrange R-77. but ueah R-77s could be purchased as stop gap
The availability rates of Flankers are abysmal. One IAF document claimed it was at best 53% (bear in mind india has all facilities to assemble , maintain and overhaul flankers)
too many mechanical parts causing wear and tear.

Same can be said for all Russian aircraft and this applies to the Mig-29 as well.


In terms of availability rates Western > Chinese > Russian.

JF-17 which is Chinese with a Russian engine has better availability rates than India's SU-30s and Mig-29s.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

Any idea on the availability rate for Typhoons? Better or worse than Sukhois?

this video which with extensive research and comparison with Su-35 (it is not biased and takes into consideration the publicly available data ,) it is long so watch it if you have time

any western design is inherently more reliable than a russian design due to design philisophy
i saw a diagram where the rd-33 engines in fulcrums need to be overhauled more number of times compared to GE engines of F-16 (in the Turkish forum i will try to find it )
this is an excerpt of an article on malaysia's Mig-29 fleet
Full Frame: Malaysia's MiG-29N : Fulcrum Most Tenacious (daisetsuzan.blogspot.com)

Cheap To Own, Expensive To Use

Part of the reason why the MiGs were expensive and difficult to maintain was that Russian equipment were generally not made to match the high standards of their western counterparts. They are generally simple to operate and rugged to allow for operations under austere conditions but are certainly not made to last. They are relatively cheap to produce in large quantities so if any were to break down, they can be easily replaced rather than repaired. According to Mark Bobbi of IHS, during the Cold War, the Soviet Union's massive defense spending resulted in and allowed for hugely wasteful procurement practices where by aircraft manufacturers such as Mikoyan Gurevich and Sukhoi would design so called " throwaway aircrafts ", expected to operate for ten years or so with little or no maintenance before they were scrapped and replaced with all new aircrafts. So if you are trying to get some Russian or legacy Soviet equipment repaired, be ready to face some real hurdles.

The quality of service and support from Russia is also simply not at the same level as those from Western companies like Boeing or Dassault. Apart from the language barrier, the work culture is entirely different. Business ethics may be non-existent, as the Russian supply chain is notoriously known to be the most inefficient and corrupt.

To make matters worse, the Malaysians themselves imposed restrictions as to who could supply parts and carry out maintenance works on their aircrafts. It seemed that only companies majority owned by indigenous people could qualify and they of course seized the opportunity to inflate prices, since there was little transparency and almost no competition. In the end, each Fulcrum would cost $5 million to service annually, and that's in US Dollars, not the Malaysian Riggit which in recent times had fallen to historical lows.

JF-17 which is Chinese with a Russian engine has better availability rates than India's SU-30s and Mig-29s.

it's also single engined , so i guess that helps a lot

 

[Michael Corleone]

More chance of the IAF doing a pearl harbour.

The Burmese , given an option will choose the Chinese over the Indian's any day. Modi G is not doing an excellent job of convincing the Burmese otherwise.

Burmese will sell out to anyone that’s why China doesn’t care about them much.
IAF doing something like that won’t bode well for India since the benefits will be gone overnight

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

@DalalErMaNodi and me were discussing this long back we agreed we need Burma to do a Pearl Harbor on us. Only then will be take military seriously

BAF can do a flase flag operation on Chittagong Harbour.

I saw somewhere that one squadron of rafale's will be deployed at ambala (no 17 golden arrows) near Pakistan
and another is planned to be deployed (101 falcons) in west bengal

 

[Michael Corleone]

Meteors will outrange R-77. but ueah R-77s could be purchased as stop gap
The availability rates of Flankers are abysmal. One IAF document claimed it was at best 53% (bear in mind india has all facilities to assemble , maintain and overhaul flankers)
too many mechanical parts causing wear and tear.

IAF availability rates shouldn’t be all blamed on sukhoi but partly on their airmen too

BAF can do a flase flag operation on Chittagong Harbour.

I saw somewhere that one squadron of rafale's will be deployed at ambala (no 17 golden arrows) near Pakistan
and another is planned to be deployed (101 falcons) in west bengal

Yep yep if only they didn’t waste their oil budget flying on bongopapa’s birthday

 

[alphapak]

Any idea on the availability rate for Typhoons? Better or worse than Sukhois?

The availabilty rate of Eurofighters in RAF is about 60%. Check this article out:

Having Trouble Keeping It Up? The RAF and Typhoon availability...

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