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Do you how technologically and economically powerful China will be by 2030?

I repeat that BD needs both Western and Chinese arms for strategic reasons.
I am not advocating against increased overall cooperation with China but that does not have to come at the cost of continuing to be a junkyard for their knock-offs.

In areas other than technological and economic cooperation, China has little to offer.
It is still a third world country like us with no regard for societal freedom, ethics and health & safety.
All out Western collaboration is imperative if we are to transform towards becoming an advanced society. Exaggerated BBS stats alone will not take us there.
 
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I am not advocating against increased overall cooperation with China but that does not have to come at the cost of continuing to be a junkyard for their knock-offs.

In areas other than technological and economic cooperation, China has little to offer.
It is still a third world country like us with no regard for societal freedom, ethics and health & safety.
All out Western collaboration is imperative if we are to transform towards becoming an advanced society. Exaggerated BBS stats alone will not take us there.


Got any actual evidence that BBS stats are exaggerated?
 
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You need to focus on the broader point I made in that post about the need for greater collaboration with the West starting with military procurement.


Which is happening.
BAF has selected AH-64E for the attack helicopter procurement and will almost certainly go with West for the 16 MRCA(Eurofighter, F-16 or Superhornets). Seems BD is certainly going Western these days.
BD needs to have foot in both camps( West and China) till it can get it’s arms from Turkey and also start making arms itself. This will take 2-3 decades still.
Being fully dependent on West is folly especially as there is US containment of China, with India selected as one of the main sheriffs in Asia by US.
 
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How you know about J-10 as BAF only sees IAF as real threat?

BAF will end up with Western/Chinese mix for strategic reasons in my opinion.


J-10CE with AESA radar and PL-15 will be comparable to Rafale with Meteor at much lesser cost to buy the planes and missiles. Over the lifetime it may not be all that much cheaper due to more frequent replacement of the Chinese WS-10B engine but it is good enough to handle any plane in IAF inventory and rock solid supplier in China.
Do you not remember he credit offer? Why did bd decide to not go with it? The same with frigate program, it’s stalled for a reason. China is not a reliable partner. If they couldn’t reliably support Pakistan in 71 then why would it support Bangladesh against India, flawed philosophy.
Anyways j10 was hinted on recently too but nothing about j10 from people actually in the airforce. Most probably end up getting surplus hornets for maritime role and euro fighter fleet will be expanded. Like I said before first squadron will be preowned given new batch production doesn’t end until 2024 for Kuwait... could see tranche 3 from post 2024
 
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Do you not remember he credit offer? Why did bd decide to not go with it? The same with frigate program, it’s stalled for a reason. China is not a reliable partner. If they couldn’t reliably support Pakistan in 71 then why would it support Bangladesh against India, flawed philosophy.
Anyways j10 was hinted on recently too but nothing about j10 from people actually in the airforce. Most probably end up getting surplus hornets for maritime role and euro fighter fleet will be expanded. Like I said before first squadron will be preowned given new batch production doesn’t end until 2024 for Kuwait... could see tranche 3 from post 2024

That was straight after Rohingya crisis and the version offered was J-10B rather than J-10CE which was unveiled last year.
Not going to war for Pakistan in 1971 is not the same as supplying BD in times of war with India.
J-10CE has a very good chance of being selected and there is no evidence that China is out of the frigate programme.
 
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That was straight after Rohingya crisis and the version offered was J-10B rather than J-10CE which was unveiled last year.
Not going to war for Pakistan in 1971 is not the same as supplying BD in times of war with India.
J-10CE has a very good chance of being selected and there is no evidence that China is out of the frigate programme.
Well as for my source, j10 isn’t in the papers anymore and neither are the Chinese for the frigate program, work was supposed to begin this January and no deal has been concluded with them after they demanded majority ownership of CDDL, their offer later was also rejected
 
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Well as for my source, j10 isn’t in the papers anymore and neither are the Chinese for the frigate program, work was supposed to begin this January and no deal has been concluded with them after they demanded majority ownership of CDDL, their offer later was also rejected

Let us wait and see as for strategic reasons most of BD fighters and the next-gen frigates need to come from a reliable supplier(against India) like China.

BD can play hardball with the frigate programme as whoever wins gets a multi-billion dollar sale of subsystems and missiles.

BAF initially wanted the Turkish T-129 but backed out as the USA would not allow engine sale like what happened with Pakistan. You can see that BD is clearly thinking very strategically there.

Arms imports into BD must see that the only real threat to BD sovereignty is India and the West can never be reliable against them.
 
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Let us wait and see as for strategic reasons most of BD fighters and the next-gen frigates need to come from a reliable supplier(against India) like China.

BD can play hardball with the frigate programme as whoever wins gets a multi-billion dollar sale of subsystems and missiles.

BAF initially wanted the Turkish T-129 but backed out as the USA would not allow engine sale like what happened with Pakistan. You can see that BD is clearly thinking very strategically there.

Arms imports into BD must see that the only real threat to BD sovereignty is India and the West can never be reliable against them.
I’m a bit confused about the French article that claims to have sold naval technology license to Bangladesh... is this related to frigate program? God knows. 2.6 billion euros is a lot of dough

as long as bd is not the aggressor, we will have western support against India
 
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I’m a bit confused about the French article that claims to have sold naval technology license to Bangladesh... is this related to frigate program? God knows. 2.6 billion euros is a lot of dough

as long as bd is not the aggressor, we will have western support against India

Why put all BD eggs in the Western basket? You buy a new platform you are tied to a supplier for 30 years.

Western/Chinese mix is the way to go and BD is rich enough to support systems from both sources over the next 1-2 decades while the Turks build up their arms industry and BD also starts manufacturing some more of it's own weapons.
 
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That was straight after Rohingya crisis and the version offered was J-10B rather than J-10CE which was unveiled last year.
Not going to war for Pakistan in 1971 is not the same as supplying BD in times of war with India.
J-10CE has a very good chance of being selected and there is no evidence that China is out of the frigate programme.

Chinas trade with india is larger than BD. It is not conceivable that china will supply BD with anything against India at a time of war and risk an economic backlash.

We must absolutely need to get out of the mindset that there is any one we can rely on but ourselves. BD will be sanctioned in any conflict, we need to develop own capacity and take descision on the basis of whatever weapons is in our inventory.

China is neither a friend nor enemy.... we are fair weather business partners to each other...nothing more. China will not intervene nor assist BD in a conflict with India just as BD will not intervene or assist China in a conflict with india.
 
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Chinas trade with india is larger than BD. It is not conceivable that china will supply BD with anything against India at a time of war and risk an economic backlash.

We must absolutely need to get out of the mindset that there is any one we can rely on but ourselves. BD will be sanctioned in any conflict, we need to develop own capacity and take descision on the basis of whatever weapons is in our inventory.

China is neither a friend nor enemy.... we are fair weather business partners to each other...nothing more. China will not intervene nor assist BD in a conflict with India just as BD will not intervene or assist China in a conflict with india.


I cannot agree with this statement at all.

During the 2001 standoff with India, China shipped in fighter aircraft among many other weapons to assist Pakistan.
Even though China-India trade was a lot lower, China did not care as it values strategic factors over mere economics.

We have to admit that BD is less important strategically to China as it does not share a border but it is nonetheless important as it is a large Muslim country with a good economy that will help keep India boxed into S Asia.

If China can use Pakistan and BD to box in India, that is one big irritant out of the way as they have USA, Japan, Korea et al to deal with in East Asia.

Let us look at the trade figures anyway. Last year China exported 74 billion US dollars to India which is less than 2% of Chinese exports.
India anyhow would just be hurting itself to boycott Chinese products as it would have to source elsewhere at much higher prices. Indian economy is weak due to multi-ethnic nature of country and Hinduvta mismanagement anyway and they can ill afford to stop importing cheap Chinese goods.
Economically India has no leverage over China.

As for developing own capacity that may be 50 years away. Even Turkey will not be ready for at least another generation as it would have great difficulty in making competitive turbofans to power it's aircraft.

BD needs to focus on Western/Chinese mix and slowly increase the content of Turkish arms into it's military, while slowly building up it's own defence industry that could take 2 or more generations to become world-class. I am hopeful on this front as BD has decent electronics tech(Walton), just created an aerospace university and currently building it's first aircraft manufacturing plant.
 
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Why put all BD eggs in the Western basket? You buy a new platform you are tied to a supplier for 30 years.

Western/Chinese mix is the way to go and BD is rich enough to support systems from both sources over the next 1-2 decades while the Turks build up their arms industry and BD also starts manufacturing some more of it's own weapons.
Imo bd should just look forward to 5th gen platforms which can be sourced from China. There’s no reason to get j10 again and clog up the system
 
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