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Western countries are our biggest export customer. So, we should prefer them over Russia and China or anyone else...
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People think only getting show pieces is necessary for an air force. These are the things we often don’t talk about in this forumBangladesh Air Force lab is getting a lot of new equipment. This is some of the new gear.
PCI board manufacturing machinery is also to be installed soon.
#BD Military
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I agree there are many things are necessary for a successful airforce but are these really necessary for a clown force without an iota of strategic objective or means to achieving them.
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Bangladesh Air Force lab is getting a lot of new equipment. This is some of the new gear.
PCI board manufacturing machinery is also to be installed soon.
#BD Military
Looks more like a model lab in an first year university course.
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Look like you know everything.
Chinese and Russian were the Plan A, still is and always will be due to budget unless govt change the plan. And there's rumor for single engine tender. Another rumor is BAF is trying to shift to European MRCA after Russia's Mig diplomacy which can be your so called plan B. Now if you only point finger at BAF and want to overlook US sanction and Russia's mafia style business then it's pointless to argue with you.
BAF already perform aerobatics in victory day parade with K-8W. And only few trainers from the IJT squadron will participates in the aerobatics besides performing regular training.
??? What benefit will come out form this and who will enjoy it?? It's like you cut off your whole leg because of an infection. While you people say "দুষ্ট গরুর চেয়ে শূন্য গোয়াল ভাল" i say "নাই মামার চেয়ে কানা মামা ভাল"। I wish you all critics and trolls get whooped seriously after election.
They might be working on it (Bajro project).
You come up with as many excuses as you like but culpability lies with BAF.
If BD does not have money why bother with floating a tender? Why create a single source tender only to have it fail, what prework was done beforehand. Where does the blame lies.
You probably do not have experience of tendering process so you are making such statements. It’s ok, but let me tell you who does work in this area that a tender only goes out following extensive preparatory work where you examine the market, you examine potential bidders, you assess your own power dynamics vis-a-vis potential sellers etc.
A failed tender comes down to the purchasing company never the sellers. Don’t believe me please go canvass any procurement specialist.
Stop perpetuating excuse for BAF failures to nonsense such as there is going to be delay because of upcoming sham election. Why should this matter, BD is not a democracy with an effective opposition so that political “purdah” comes into effect prior to election. Anyhow military purchases if transparent should be above political calculus.
Disbanding BAF will have great advantage. The resources could be diverted to effective organisation such as BN and BA.
Currently BAF is a force that will fail at every level to defend our skies. Would you disagree with this basic statement?
If you accept that BAF is a failed organisation then it comes down to what to do with it. I propose starting over as it is rotten to the core and it can not be reformed.
At some point you need to cut your losses and face reality. An ineffective Air Force is not in BDs interest, we need to defend our skies and BAF can’t do it as demonstrated during the rohingya debacle. Holding on to this white elephant fundamentally degrades our security.
We need to look to the future and be honest with ourselves. We need to innovatively maximise our defense capacity within our means and in response to our enemies. We are in a situation I believe where we actually do not have an airforce.
It’s a terrible reality but without acceptance of this we can not move forward.
Having accepted this we need to set goals. First denial of our air space via multilayered missile capabilities. Who is best to direct such an initiative, I would say BA.
Second objective extension of missile capacity beyond our borders to restrict operational freedom of the enemy. Again army or a new missile focused defense arm with clear doctrine is necessary.
Third objective develop an effective offensive airforce. look at options and develop as best as possible as quickly as possible with a rebranding and a new purpose that dumps BAF and it’s legacy of utter failure since inception.
To buy CIWS, Engine and Harpoon, you need to go through Foreign Military Sale not Excess Defence Article. These are two different things. Hamilton class came through EDA. That's why you can't get it. You have to apply for foreign military sale to upgrade Hamilton class. I don't get it, Bangladeshi don't apply for foreign military sale but blame American not giving offensive armament like you blaming Russian for screwing Bangladesh Air Force.If there's no string attached then why we didn't get 16/20 rolls royce engine for C-130, WC-130, Phalanx CIWS for our Hamilton class cutter?? Look how Turkey and India faced problem because of S-400 deal.
You got a wrong idea that we only buy things from Russia and China because of our officers. Let's say our army tried to buy Long range MLRS from Brazil and Turkey (according to a member here). But Turkey asked 400 million per battery. So they are back to Chinese. So like one idiot said "No money no honey".
And the second thing is i didn't talk about Kornet. I talked about buying ATGM Tigr vehicle with Russian credit which they didn't approve. Read carefully.
That came in my mind too.
মানবজাতির বড়ই তাড়াহুড়া।
Here are few rules for American military procurement.
New procurements and upgradation of equipment go to foreign military sale hence approved by Congress.
Refurbished second-hand goods go through excess defence article.
For Russian interest in Turkey and India is more than S-400. Russian wants a bigger piece of the pie than just S-400. Turkey has to give up something to get a Nuclear deal. The nuclear deal is worth $20B. It's big money for Russian state which is suffering from many financial challenges.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...uilt-nuclear-plant-facing-delay-idUSKCN1GL1W2
There many MLRS on this planet which is cheaper than even Chinese if the price is your number one concern. Belarusian Polonez is based on Chinese A300 but cheaper than Chinese A300. Serbian sumadija is also cheaper than Chinese A300.
Serbian Milosh, Serbian Lazar, Ukrainian KrAZ Spartan and Finland's Patria AMV can be configured with ATGM. There are many options on this planet.
It's your country bro, not mine. I don't care if you buy or don't buy.
You are asking money from us to feed refugees but its your job to defend your territory. You failed to defend your territory then hypocritically go to America and EU to ask donations to feed refugees. Why don't go to Putin and Xi, then ask donations to feed refugees?
Please speak in english. Do I have to use google translator to communicate with you?
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You are right on the money....
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Its not refugee entering the country (which is alright) but pushing them inside our territory labelling them as Bangladeshi. That made us a party to the whole episode. Most of the Bangladeshis dont have this simple common sense.
I just googled and found tons of evidence. Refugees are one of them. One million refugees! You allowed one million refugees! You guys must be very generous people who destroy thier forest and let one million refugees settle in their motherland.
Rohingya Refugees in Bangladeshi territory
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...der-where-rohingya-shelter-idUSKCN1GD54X?il=0
Besides, here are more evidence...
Transocean Offshore Drilling Rig escorted by Myanmar Navy Frigate within Bangladeshi Exclusive economic zone
Myanmar Air Force Helicopter is hovering over Bangladeshi Airspace. There are many photos in internet that might be harmful to your national internal interest.
Google says Myanmar border police killed Bangladeshi border guard on and off.
BTW, that photo of lab doesnt make sense because Myanmar can bomb inside Bangladesh if there is a real war. Myanmar has better air defence and a better air force than Bangladesh.
Look I don't have time to argue for nothing. Leave it whether you guys think good for your country. one thing more sure, it will messy because refugeess always smuggle arms and drugs to feed themselves. This is how it works globally.
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Hi Beruni,
While I agree with many of your opinions, let us not be so harsh towards our own country.
The Rohingya issue is a big challenge for Bangladesh.
How's the weather in Perth BTW?
While I agree with many of your opinions, let us not be so harsh towards our own country.
The Rohingya issue is a big challenge for Bangladesh.
How's the weather in Perth BTW?
I just googled and found tons of evidence. Refugees are one of them. One million refugees! You allowed one million refugees! You guys must be very generous people who destroy thier forest and let one million refugees settle in their motherland.
Rohingya Refugees in Bangladeshi territory
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...der-where-rohingya-shelter-idUSKCN1GD54X?il=0
Besides, here are more evidence...
Transocean Offshore Drilling Rig escorted by Myanmar Navy Frigate within Bangladeshi Exclusive economic zone
Myanmar Air Force Helicopter is hovering over Bangladeshi Airspace. There are many photos in internet that might be harmful to your national internal interest.
Google says Myanmar border police killed Bangladeshi border guard on and off.
BTW, that photo of lab doesnt make sense because Myanmar can bomb inside Bangladesh if there is a real war. Myanmar has better air defence and a better air force than Bangladesh.
Look I don't have time to argue for nothing. Leave it whether you guys think good for your country. one thing more sure, it will messy because refugeess always smuggle arms and drugs to feed themselves. This is how it works globally.
I just googled and found tons of evidence. Refugees are one of them. One million refugees! You allowed one million refugees! You guys must be very generous people who destroy thier forest and let one million refugees settle in their motherland.
Rohingya Refugees in Bangladeshi territory
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...der-where-rohingya-shelter-idUSKCN1GD54X?il=0
Besides, here are more evidence...
Transocean Offshore Drilling Rig escorted by Myanmar Navy Frigate within Bangladeshi Exclusive economic zone
Myanmar Air Force Helicopter is hovering over Bangladeshi Airspace. There are many photos in internet that might be harmful to your national internal interest.
Google says Myanmar border police killed Bangladeshi border guard on and off.
BTW, that photo of lab doesnt make sense because Myanmar can bomb inside Bangladesh if there is a real war. Myanmar has better air defence and a better air force than Bangladesh.
Look I don't have time to argue for nothing. Leave it whether you guys think good for your country. one thing more sure, it will messy because refugeess always smuggle arms and drugs to feed themselves. This is how it works globally.
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how r u borhani saheb??I just googled and found tons of evidence. Refugees are one of them. One million refugees! You allowed one million refugees! You guys must be very generous people who destroy thier forest and let one million refugees settle in their motherland.
Rohingya Refugees in Bangladeshi territory
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...der-where-rohingya-shelter-idUSKCN1GD54X?il=0
Besides, here are more evidence...
Transocean Offshore Drilling Rig escorted by Myanmar Navy Frigate within Bangladeshi Exclusive economic zone
Myanmar Air Force Helicopter is hovering over Bangladeshi Airspace. There are many photos in internet that might be harmful to your national internal interest.
Google says Myanmar border police killed Bangladeshi border guard on and off.
BTW, that photo of lab doesnt make sense because Myanmar can bomb inside Bangladesh if there is a real war. Myanmar has better air defence and a better air force than Bangladesh.
Look I don't have time to argue for nothing. Leave it whether you guys think good for your country. one thing more sure, it will messy because refugeess always smuggle arms and drugs to feed themselves. This is how it works globally.
What you mean? Is this Bangladeshi language? Please speak in english.how r u borhani saheb??
What do you mean by Our? Don't count me with you. I am not a f$%king Bangladeshi.
I never been to Perth, Eastern Ontario, Canada? I am sure you have never been to Canada either.
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Oh come on, Raihan bhai.
I recognised you by the pattern of your written English in different forums.
As I said, I agree with a lot of what you have to say about modernisation of our air force.
I am glad that Dhaka Tribune chose to publish your articles as there needs to more public dialogue on defence matters.
Poor support from China and Russia in regards to the Rohigya has to an extent swung public opinion in favour of defence spending.
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I just googled and found tons of evidence. Refugees are one of them. One million refugees! You allowed one million refugees! You guys must be very generous people who destroy thier forest and let one million refugees settle in their motherland.
Rohingya Refugees in Bangladeshi territory
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...der-where-rohingya-shelter-idUSKCN1GD54X?il=0
Besides, here are more evidence...
Transocean Offshore Drilling Rig escorted by Myanmar Navy Frigate within Bangladeshi Exclusive economic zone
Myanmar Air Force Helicopter is hovering over Bangladeshi Airspace. There are many photos in internet that might be harmful to your national internal interest.
Google says Myanmar border police killed Bangladeshi border guard on and off.
Oh yeah what do you suggest then?? Start a war?? And destroy the economy and bring more suffering?? And for your kind info that rig incident was handled by our diplomats and military properly. After that govt settled the maritime dispute. That's what started Navy's (and other forces) modernization under FG30. What?? You didn't google these??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Bangladesh–Myanmar_naval_standoff
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...67597275445/&usg=AOvVaw0Lp6f9wbVGpLRldDFGxTcK
With what?? Their Mig-29s are only for air superiority role. And their AD doesn't matter unless we don't invade their airspace. Just because they outnumber us in aircraft doesn't mean our fighter can't fight with them. And i hardly believe that they have enough ammo to launch an air assault against us. Not a single photo of their Mig with full armament is available on the internet. And what's this have anything to do with that lab?? That's a good initiative to become self-dependent and gather knowledge for our students. Stop saying BS.
BS logic.
Because they don't want anything like the previous Mig scandal. Besides China,Russia and other countries political support also matters here.
how r u borhani saheb??
actually @mb444 sounds more like Al Beruni.
