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@Avicenna Right now,BAF is seeking medium range Surface-to-Air Missiles ( SAM ),but I saw reports somewhere that BAF purchased LY-80E which would be delivered by the end of '17 and the Ministry of Defence's plans for 2017 included 8 4th generation fighters or multi-role combat aircraft ( MRCA ) as well as a medium range SAM system.


#1) Air defence of Bangladesh air space.

The first requires a light single engine fighter with BVR capability. Range is not an issue as Bangaldesh is small. FC-1 would be a good fit. Right now we have F-7 of various models. And the 8 Mig-29.

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Our F-7 BGIs,as it is designed for the interceptor role,already have BVR capability with their 86+ km range radar.We also purchased some PL-12 BVR air-to-air missiles with them.This bird can also field light anti-ship missiles such as C-704A so they might be used to support the naval fleet as well.
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Our MiG-29 SEs also have BVR capability with their Vympel R-27 A2A missiles.

#2) Protection of Exclusive economic zone and support of BN.

This would likely require a twin engined long ranged aircraft as the EEZ extends out 200km. Perhaps this is the reason BAF is looking at the SU-30.

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True.The best variants for that role are the China based one - Su-30 MK2/MKKs which sacrifices the Su-30 MKI's thrust vectoring and canards for increased payload and longer range...as well as capability to field a wide range of cruise missiles,as well as being superior to the Boeing F-15E,SE,SA as well as the Saab JAS-39 Gripen-NG in air to air combat.





Kira.
 
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Shenyang J-15 is developed from an un-finished Su-33 prototype from Ukarine ( for the main body design and other stuff ) and Chengdu J-10 ( for the avoinics,engines and internal equipments ).They don't need Russian pemission to export it since the Su-33 prototype was purchased from Ukarine,not Russia.



With $500 million purchasing-budget,even if a bird costs $30 million a pop,we can still get a squadron of it with $20 million left for missiles and training.

Kira.

if the j15 can be sold then that will be good bd can try to go for it in future and the j10
if all ok in j15 it will become a good export aircraft for china also
yes it has flaws fix this and that thats is normal for any new place f35 still has problems so i am sure china will fix them in j15 but j10 all will need mostly upgrade one . though i am not sure abt the engine i know its russian and there chinese engine having flaws still not fix

I think in terms of the capabilities BAF is seeking:

#1) Air defence of Bangladesh air space.

The first requires a light single engine fighter with BVR capability. Range is not an issue as Bangaldesh is small. FC-1 would be a good fit. Right now we have F-7 of various models. And the 8 Mig-29.

#2) Protection of Exclusive economic zone and support of BN.

This would likely require a twin engined long ranged aircraft as the EEZ extends out 200km. Perhaps this is the reason BAF is looking at the SU-30.

no one is producing fc1
 
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No flanker variant can be sold by China.
JF-17 is not agile enough.
J-10 is the only aircraft can be sourced from China and meet requirement.

soneone said su33 prototype was from ukraine not from russia so i am not sure

for sure the j10c will be in BAF oneday and thats the only real choice we have as side from when they start sale stealth fighter
 
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soneone said su33 prototype was from ukraine not from russia so i am not sure

for sure the j10c will be in BAF oneday and thats the only real choice we have as side from when they start sale stealth fighter

These are all flanker variant and China had a long term stake with the Russians.
And I dont think Ukraine gave China the permission to copy and export either.
 
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These are all flanker variant and China had a long term stake with the Russians.
And I dont think Ukraine gave China the permission to copy and export either.
China can export J15 to BD cause Ukraine provided us the prototype TK10. This has nothing to do with Russia. They refused to sell China Su33 so we get it done by ourself.

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China can export J15 to BD cause Ukraine provided us the prototype TK10. This has nothing to do with Russia. They refused to sell China Su33 so we get it done by ourself.

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I think those are J-10's in the picture above.....

Agreed about the J-15's.

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In all the discussion about the Naval air-superiority platform, we forgot about transport birds, which is a crying need right now.

New Zealand is getting rid of their six C-130H in 2020, we should put in some feeler of interest to the NZ govt. These would make great platforms after some refurbishment.

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I think those are J-10's in the picture above.....

Agreed about the J-15's.

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In all the discussion about the Naval air-superiority platform, we forgot about transport birds, which is a crying need right now.

New Zealand is getting rid of their six C-130H in 2020, we should put in some feeler of interest to the NZ govt. These would make great platforms after some refurbishment.

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Bro, I know it's J10b. I just simply love this beautiful fighter so I just post it.:)
 
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Understood. :-)
Just have look at the left one J10b, with KG600 ECM Pod installed under flank of its DSI intake, same way if that's installed on F16. I can tell you that PLAAF is a big fan of USAAF in weapon design.
 
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Just have look at the left one J10b, with KG600 ECM Pod installed under flank of its DSI intake, same way if that's installed on F16. I can tell you that PLAAF is a big fan of USAAF in weapon design.

It sure is. Actually what I've read is that the KG600 ECM Pod is being used by the J-16D which is a PLAAF equivalent of the USAF EA-18G Growler. The J-16D is going to be PLAAF's primary ELINT/SIGINT platform. Here's a write-up I found.

Background:
On the 19th December 2015, Chinese military watching forums began to circulate with rumours that an electronic warfare variant of the J-16 multirole strike aircraft had conducted its maiden flight, and barely a few days later on the 21st of December, photos emerged which definitively proved the veracity of the claims.
The new aircraft was thus tentatively christened “J-16D,” where “D” likely stood for dian, which is likely in turn short for dianzi zhan – Chinese for “electronic warfare” (EW).

J-16D modifications:
Current pictures of the J-16D indicate that it fields several meaningful modifications compared to the standard J-16. These include:
-Wingtip pods on J-16D seemingly as part of standard loadout configuration.
-Removal of internal gun on J-16D, from J-16.
-Removal of nose mounted IRST on J-16D, from J-16.
-A modified nose and slightly smaller radome on J-16D, possibly indicative of a different AESA radar compared to J-16. Such a radar may potentially have a more EW oriented role compared to the standard J-16’s.
-Various antennae and dielectric grey fairings have been added around the airframe of the aircraft, including the dorsal side of the aircraft, the side of the aircraft’s nose, and the sides of the aircraft’s intakes.

The conversion of J-16 to J-16D is very similar in concept to that of the conversion of F/A-18F to EA-18G, as both the J-16 and F/A-18F were supersonic, maneuverable, multi-role strike fighters capable of air to ground and air to air missions, and both aircraft had similar equipment removed as well as potentially added. Specifically, the EA-18G features various additional antennae to the air-frame, and is equipped with wingtip pods as standard, and is not equipped with an internal gun.


Infographic displaying various mission relevant subsystems of EA-18G
Avionics suite:
As a dedicated EW aircraft, the J-16D’s EW suite will likely include a passive ESM suite as well as an active, offensive ECM jamming suite, as well as various datalinks to communicate with friendly aircraft, ships and other assets to effectively conduct its mission in an integrated way.

The J-16D’s ESM suite may include an equivalent to the EA-18G’s ALQ-218 ESM system, which provides ELINT/SIGINT capabilities to detect, identify, track, locate/geolocate, and analyze emitted radio frequency sources, which can in turn help to cue and conduct electronic attacks or physical attacks against opposing air defences. On the EA-18G, the most distinctive evidence of the ALQ-218 are two wingtip pods. The ALQ-218 pods tend to be fit aboard EA-18Gs as standard configuration, and appeared to be present aboard the maiden flight the EA-18G for both the US Navy and Royal Australian Air Force. J-16D’s wingtip pods have also been speculated to have ESM roles similar to the ALQ-218, and were present aboard the J-16D’s maiden flight as well.


ALQ-218 wingtip ESM pod on EA-18G

Detail of J-16D wingtip pod, suspected to have ESM functions

A different view of J-16D on the runway, showcasing a set of four upwards facing antennae on the J-16D’s wingtip pods
The J-16D’s active offensive ECM suite will likely include a number of externally mounted ECM jamming pods. It is unknown what type of ECM pod the J-16D will mount, it may include a variant of the pods seen mounted before on JH-7/As, or it may include an entirely new type of pod such as one utilizing AESA technology like the NGJ pod being developed by the US Navy. Given the variety of AESA radars that are in service with the Chinese military across a number of platforms, it would not be out of the question for the technology to be applied for jamming purposes. Indeed, it has been speculated that the Y-9G and possibly even Y-8G standoff ECM aircraft may make use of AESA technology in their speculated side mounted jamming antennae. But considering all this, it will likely still require a number of months if not potentially years for pictures of J-16D with jamming pods to emerge in the public sphere, given Chinese military operational security.


Another view of JH-7/A’s ECM pods
J-16D will also likely be equipped with various datalinks, and may include the supposed Link 16 equivalent called JSIDLS (Joint Service Integrated Data Link system), and other datalinks designed for network centric communications and warfighting.

Various other EW mission specific counter measures and avionics may also be installed, as well as the possibility of a cockpit optimized to perform EW tasks.

Weapons suite:
The J-16D will likely be compatible with many weapons that the standard J-16 is confirmed or expected to field, including short range air to air missiles (such as the ImIR guided PL-10), medium range air to air missiles (such as the active radar guided PL-12 and its variants), as well as air to ground weapons including the standoff range KD-88 missile and direct attack precision guided munitions.

But as an EW/SEAD/DEAD aircraft, the J-16D will likely also carry anti radiation missiles (ARMs), which home in on and destroy sources of radio frequencies (usually radar). J-16D will likely make use of the YJ-91 and its variants, which is a domestically produced version of the Russian Kh-31 ARM. A number of other ARMs offered for export in recent years such as the CM-102 and LD-10 may also potentially find a place on the wing of J-16D, or a completely new ARM could be developed for J-16D.


JH-7A armed with YJ-91, the domestically produced version of the Russian Kh-31 ARM
It is important to note that a standard J-16D outfitted with an EW suite may have fewer available hardpoint stations for mounting weapons. A standard J-16 features twelve hardpoints: two wingtip, six underwing, two under air intakes and two centreline. However a J-16D with a standard EW configuration may include two wingtip ESM pods and three ECM pods, and assuming one of the three ECM pods are mounted centreline, then only six hardpoints will remain for other weapons and/or systems – interestingly enough that is the same number of hardpoints available to an EA-18G for a similar EW pod loadout.

Role in Chinese military aviation:
Overall, the conversion of J-16 to J-16D can be seen as logical and sensible, given the likely requirements of Chinese military aviation as well as the availability of the J-16 as a platform with potential for modification.

As a derivative of the Flanker family, the J-16 inherited many of the positive characteristics of the original Su-27 and the Su-30MKK it was then based on, including large internal fuel capacity, large external payload, large nose radome, as well as the Flanker family’s impressive aerodynamic and kinematic performance inherent to its airframe design (with adequately powerplants).

For those reasons, the twin seater, multirole strike capable J-16 was probably thus the optimal platform accessible by the Chinese military, to convert to an EW/SEAD/DEAD aircraft. The J-16D would be capable of performing not only the traditional EW/SEAD/DEAD missions required by an aircraft, but it would also have the speed to keep up with formations of strike aircraft to serve as an escort jammer during all phases of a strike mission, and its manoeuvrability would give it a greater chance of surviving encounters with opposing fighter aircraft if such situations arose, thus increasing the survivability of the aircraft overall. The J-16 platform would also have sufficient payload to conduct comprehensive EW/SEAD/DEAD missions independently if needed, at relatively long ranges or long endurances.


The J-16 offered an outstanding base platform for the development of a high capability, survivable EW/SEAD/DEAD aircraft
The closest international peer to the J-16D in terms of configuration and expected role, is thus unsurprisingly, the US EA-18G Growler. Similar to EA-18G, one challenge for the J-16D may be the need fulfil the demands of AEA and SEAD/DEAD in an aircrew of only two, however advances in automation technology may make such limitations less of an impediment for effective operations.


EA-18G, unequivocally the closest international analogue to the J-16D
It is important to note that the J-16D is very much a land based aircraft and not a carrier-borne naval aircraft, but there has been substantial speculation and expectation that Chinese Naval Aviation would likely leverage many EW technologies and subsystems aboard J-16D and integrate them into a variant of the J-15S, the twin seater variant of the J-15. Indeed, in recent years evidence has emerged suggesting studies have been conducted, looking into the prospect of an EW variant. The common airframe and potential for many common subsystems would make conversion of the J-15S to a potential “J-15SD” variant quite conceivable if not sensible, and it would not be surprising to see the emergence of a J-15S variant fielding many J-16D characteristics and subsystems within the next few years.
An EW variant of the carrierborne J-15 has been studied (seen here, a RCS simulation test), and any EW variant of the J-15 would likely use the twin seat J-15S variant and leverage many subsystems that were developed and installed aboard J-16D
Conclusion:
The J-16D will likely provide the Chinese military with a very capable and multirole EW/SEAD/DEAD capability once it enters service in meaningful numbers. It is difficult to project how many aircraft will be bought, and also impossible to predict whether only the Air Force will purchase the aircraft or if Naval Aviation will purchase it as well (for its land based operations).
The J-16D may also provide the basis for an expected conversion of the J-15S twin seat multirole fighter to a similar EW/SEAD/DEAD aircraft, which could share many characteristics and subsystems to the J-16D.

All in all, the J-16D is further evidence of the Chinese military’s already impressive investment into network centric, informationized warfare, and their investment into ECM/jamming and ELINT/SIGINT in particular.
 
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mr china men :) hehe

j15 and j16 will it be sale able to other countries for sure

i know j10 B C is being bought by pakistan and bd in future

Bhai @bdslph - it is considered somewhat rude to address someone from China as 'China Man'.

If you don't mind - just use 'brother' from now on.......
 
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mr china bro :) hehe

j15 and j16 will it be sale able to other countries for sure

i know j10 B C is being bought by pakistan and bd in future

Pakistan will keep on trying and buying F-16 from USA with discounted price. We wont see J-10 in PK arsenal anytime soon.
 
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