Bangladesh Air Force sends pilots for training on F-18 Jets

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Theres no way US is going to give that bird to BD ...Even if they do it would be just toys or models ... (A lil humour is good for health ..! dont take it to heart

As for the topic . Can any one please quote any government official commenting on such a deal or anything from the manufacturers of F-18 aircraft, something like a display or an offer by the company ..! Can anyone provide such info rather than posting photographs ... Crap even i can make myself sit in that F-18
Just for the info : in US, in court proceedings a digital image is not termed as an evidence .so please try to come up with something believable..!

It will be appreciated .. !

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

F-18F Super Hornet refueling a F-18E Super Hornet over Bay of Bengal

now wheres bay of bengal , all i see is the F-18s flying at high altitude . Now i can say that too " F-18s Flying over Australia "

Link Please ..!

For Gods Sake this is F-18 , not mig-21 ..!

 

[eastwatch]

THOSE ARE Royal Malaysian Air Force PILOTS,.....

Yes, these pilots do not look like Bangladeshis.

 

[eastwatch]

Theres no way US is going to give that bird to BD ...Even if they do it would be just toys or models ... (A lil humour is good for health ..! dont take it to heart

Since when the US govt has appointed you as its Chief Spokesman for the military?

 

[Luftwaffe]

hello guys i don't mean to be negative i would wish bangladesh to have a small modern air force whether they induct su-30s+mig 29 or F-18E/F+mig 29...

Somebody is talking about 4+ Billion dollars spending on the air force alone do you guys seriously think its a fair spending? what about Medium and long range SAMs and better radars for air force and army air defense? why not include that to cover air space? why go for a 60 Million dollar F-18 when you can get a good deal with russian su-30 standard variant in less than 45 Million saving 12-15 Million per plane..
At the same time no sane developing country would spend immediately 4+ Billion dollars on her air force at once look at Pakistan if it was possible we could have approached france for rafale..don't mind but this is purely a dream..
categorically...there is no F-18 until MRCA is done with secondly the last you could be offered is F-16 block 52 that too is too expensive for bangladesh it is better for bangladesh to carry on with upgrades for mig-29 and purchase 1 more squadron = 20 mig 29 Fulcrum E and go for FC-1 don't get all flared up that bangladesh doesn't need it if that is the case why do you need F-18? deep strike into India? your job is to secure your airspace to protect it from any intruders mig-29+FC-1 is a best combination with same engines are used on FC-1/Mig 29 Fulcrum E another engine hassle solved sometimes give a thought about it too...
Before someone comes up with talks reality is bangladesh is not in a position to spend much on military and they have chosen the right direction to improve economy secondly there shall be no argument FC-1 fulfills bangladesh's requirements..F-7bg fulfills requirements of BAF means FC-1 will surely fulfill all of their requirements you don't even have an airspace as big as Pakistan what do you need F-18 for?

 

[gromell]

now wheres bay of bengal , all i see is the F-18s flying at high altitude . Now i can say that too " F-18s Flying over Australia "

Link Please ..!

For Gods Sake this is F-18 , not mig-21 ..!

I think you had too much exposure to N2O. Change your negative mentality. Did you get models of F-16 from USA? Yes I can understand your ISI created a situation in Pakistan and Afghanistan that was later used to convince the Americans to sell those F-16 to you. But we can get those F-18 super hornets inshAllah. We have Mig-29, so there is no question of going back to Mig-21.

Those two are flying over bay of Bengal, flying from a US Navy carrier USS Kitty Hawk belonging to the US Navy's pacific fleet that visited Bay of Bengal in 2007 and probably again in recent times. The head of the Pacific Fleet also visited Dhaka. Here are two references.

Still Asset Details for 070907-N-8591H-023

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/JCCC/Still/2007/Navy/070907-N-8591H-023.JPEG

As the report reads, An F/A-18F Super Hornet aircraft assigned to Strike Fighter Squadron One Zero Two fuels an F/A-18E Super Hornet aircraft from Strike Fighter Squadron Two Seven during exercise Malabar 07-2 while over the Bay of Bengal Sept. 7, 2007. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Jarod Hodge

Think before you leap.

And to answer why there would be no media report or government report on F-18 Super Hornet sales, you need to check one of my previous posts.

 

[gromell]

hello guys i don't mean to be negative i would wish bangladesh to have a small modern air force whether they induct su-30s+mig 29 or F-18E/F+mig 29...

Somebody is talking about 4+ Billion dollars spending on the air force alone do you guys seriously think its a fair spending? what about Medium and long range SAMs and better radars for air force and army air defense? why not include that to cover air space? why go for a 60 Million dollar F-18 when you can get a good deal with russian su-30 standard variant in less than 45 Million saving 12-15 Million per plane..
At the same time no sane developing country would spend immediately 4+ Billion dollars on her air force at once look at Pakistan if it was possible we could have approached france for rafale..don't mind but this is purely a dream..
categorically...there is no F-18 until MRCA is done with secondly the last you could be offered is F-16 block 52 that too is too expensive for bangladesh it is better for bangladesh to carry on with upgrades for mig-29 and purchase 1 more squadron = 20 mig 29 Fulcrum E and go for FC-1 don't get all flared up that bangladesh doesn't need it if that is the case why do you need F-18? deep strike into India? your job is to secure your airspace to protect it from any intruders mig-29+FC-1 is a best combination with same engines are used on FC-1/Mig 29 Fulcrum E another engine hassle solved sometimes give a thought about it too...
Before someone comes up with talks reality is bangladesh is not in a position to spend much on military and they have chosen the right direction to improve economy secondly there shall be no argument FC-1 fulfills bangladesh's requirements..F-7bg fulfills requirements of BAF means FC-1 will surely fulfill all of their requirements you don't even have an airspace as big as Pakistan what do you need F-18 for?

It is not too expensive for Bangladesh to buy F-16 block 60, let alone block 52. Bangladesh definitely has the money to go for those air crafts.

F-7 BG was not the primary choice. It was Su-27. But for some idiot politicians, we had to go for F-7 BG. Bangladesh essentially has the same air space as Pakistan's. Let me explain before you guys jump with rhetoric. Bangladesh has borders with India and then with Myanmar, both of which are potential air routes for enemy's aerial attack. For Pakistan, it's only the long strip of border with India along Sindh, Punjab, and Kashmir. You guys do not have any potential threat on the Baluchistan, NWFP and west of the country. Talibans have no air force. So Bangladesh has no less air space to defend than Pakistan.

Bangladesh is not in position to spend in military?! How could a Pakistani be such an expert on Bangladesh's defence?! Wasn't this the strategy of West Pakistani military leaders?! "The defence of East Pakistan lies in the West". and hence the shame of 91,000 brave soldiers surrendering. You guys have no idea about the reality in Bangladesh. We have the money and seriously, we haven't really spent on our defence hardware yet. Compared to Pakistan's economy, Bangladesh's economy is in better shape, considering from where it had to grow since 1971. True that Bangladesh does not receive the same amount of foreign funding for its military but still, Bangladesh's position is not as bad as you think it is.

 

[jha]

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[Kharian_Beast]

I think super hornet(4.5+) is newer generation fighter than F-15(4/4+) . Only the latest F-15E variant like the ones Israel recently received could be compared to F-18 super hornet. The latest platform for F-15 strike eagle is based on the plane that had its first flight in 1986 while the F-18 super hornet came around 1996 with much more radical reshaping from its original F-18 hornet. Beside F-15 will be slowly replaced by F-22 in USAF. While in the US Navy, F-18 super hornet will be the next generation carrier based fighter replacing older F-14. F-18 super hornet's mission based operation capability is also among the very best in the world today, if not the best. Beside, F-15 and F-18 both are designed by McDonnell Douglas and F-18 SH is their latest military multirole fighter.The only drawback could be its lack of close combat maneuverability compared to Mig-29, Su-30, F-16, Typhoon, Rafale. F-18 SH's Thrust to weight ratio of 0.93<1 also speaks for this concern. So BAF must incorporate BVR capabilities, latest avionics and network system to support SH.

If I had to choose I would have rather gone with Mig-35 or some Su-30/Su-35 from the Russians. However given the reliability of McDonnel Douglas jets, along with the exceptionally low maintenance cost for F-18 super hornet compared to the Russian fleet of jets, I think SH is not bad at all!

Both are 4.5 platforms, F-15 Silent Eagle being the most advanced variant of them all in fact. ALso it doesn't really matter when the first variants came out as the F-15 also has undergone significant structural changes as well as addition of AESA radar, newer engines (as seen in the F-15SG model for Singapore which they chose over Rafale) and better avionics and weapons (AIM120D). I personally think the newer Strike Eagle variants are better for Bangladesh because it is not guaranteed you will have access to American carriers in a war anyways. Streamlining with a U.S. carrier fleet isn't logical so no reason to rush into buying SH, Strike Eagle is a superior aircraft in almost every way. Both M-D aircraft will eventually be phased out by F-22 and F-35 so no argument there really. Also no comparison with Russian aircraft, but political strings will be involved with any US purchase.

Honestly for BD's needs JF-17 is actually the better fit. But I would definitely chose F-15 if purchasing from the U.S.

 

[Luftwaffe]

gromell my friend if it is no too expensive be my guest get F-16 block 60 you ain't going to get 24 of them for 500 Million dollars but surely you can get them after approval for 4 Billion dollars just because they are block 60!! Pakistan is spending more than 3.5 Billion dollars alone on procuring those 18 F-18 blk 52 plus the upgrades of 34 F-16s
coming back from higher grounds open the map and check it out yourself that is hilarious to say bangladesh has same air space as Pakistan.
I never said i am an expert! but logic tells everything..and Yes i stand correct BD has no funds merely just to spend 4 billion dollars on F-18/F-16 block 60 use your head if you do not have long and medium SAMs system than you guys are sitting ducks..those jaguars and MRCA and Mig-27 will create havoc for you..not a wise tactic just to spend on pricey Jets..
and clearly you do not have the exact historical facts and figures for that so called 91,000 surrendering come back to the topic of what bangladesh air force will procure and stop bulls.....with east/west Pakistan thing move on..

Lastly NO! bangladesh is totally not in position to get pricey Jets that too for 4 Billion dollars?! wakeup and that too your last resort is Russia perhaps MuradK and MastanKhan can convince you..

 

[TopCat]

Streamlining with US defence apparatus is very important. Russians is not our allies neither they will come out openly in case any war with burmese or with India. Most American public still think (regardless of global political scenario) India as their adversary. As USA has shown interest to sell F-18 instead of F-16 means something to me and we should grab that opportunity. Its time that US and BD should show their alliance in a more visible way.

 

[TopCat]

gromell my friend if it is no too expensive be my guest get F-16 block 60 you ain't going to get 24 of them for 500 Million dollars but surely you can get them after approval for 4 Billion dollars just because they are block 60!! Pakistan is spending more than 3.5 Billion dollars alone on procuring those 18 F-18 blk 52 plus the upgrades of 34 F-16s
coming back from higher grounds open the map and check it out yourself that is hilarious to say bangladesh has same air space as Pakistan.
I never said i am an expert! but logic tells everything..and Yes i stand correct BD has no funds merely just to spend 4 billion dollars on F-18/F-16 block 60 use your head if you do not have long and medium SAMs system than you guys are sitting ducks..those jaguars and MRCA and Mig-27 will create havoc for you..not a wise tactic just to spend on pricey Jets..
and clearly you do not have the exact historical facts and figures for that so called 91,000 surrendering come back to the topic of what bangladesh air force will procure and stop bulls.....with east/west Pakistan thing move on..

Lastly NO! bangladesh is totally not in position to get pricey Jets that too for 4 Billion dollars?! wakeup and that too your last resort is Russia perhaps MuradK and MastanKhan can convince you..

I understand your point luftwaffe but as I said earlier its not only hardware but also political. BD parliament approved 1.5 billion dollar worth of hardware for Navy in the last budget. They are also considering big facelift for airforce. Ofcourse we need SAM and BD also in a look out for better air defence system. We also dont have good experience dealing with Russians, and we had to send our Migs to Ukraine for maintenance. Russians are out of question for future air craft purchase for now at least.

 

[jha]

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[TopCat]

ahem ..ahem... i think it costs much more than this figure....considering life time maintenance and spares...but i might be wrong....

however i do think that bengladesh has the capacity to buy these.....but again if i had to choose ... i would choose su-35 anyday...but its their call

Yu think too much. Indians did not believe BD could buy Migs-29 either but the did..

 

[jha]

sorry . i did not know that thinking was your copyright....

this is my last post in the thread...good luck with your debate