Balochistan's Ancient Ties to Pakistan - 5000 BC to present

[Desipride]

Fascinating that the ancestors of subcontinentals were so advanced 7000 years back. Look at us today taking potshots at each other over toilets and burkhas, sometimes I wonder if we deserved such an awe inspiring legacy and heritage.

 

[Durrani]

They are not just "migration theories". Ask the tribes themselves about their origins.

In any case, I am not going to push it. You believe that Balochistan is a part of Pakistan, because you have to. Because you want to. And nobody can convince you otherwise. I can understand. That's human nature itself.

Listen my friend for the last few years you guys on the other side of the border have been very keen to point out that Balochistan is a seperate historical entity. I just dont understand where you get your facts from. Balochistan was always a collection of princely states one of which was ruled by my great grandfather Nawab Taimur Shah Jogezai. He was part of the referendum in which all states clearly accepted to join the federation of Pakistan. I have a freakin museum in our house about the history of Balochistan and how it was, is, and will always be an integral part of the region we now proudly call Pakistan.

So please stop repeating this lame point over and over again. Everywhere I go I hear New Delhians and Mumbians making points about how balochistan is a seperate entity from Pakistan. Its funny how only 5 yrs ago you guys didnt even know how to spell "Balochistan" and now every one of you sits and talks as if they are the greatest historians the world has ever seen regarding Balochistan. LOL

 

[Omar1984]

Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah with Nawab Akbar Bugti

The people of Balochistan just like the people of every part of Pakistan, including Kashmir, loved Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Quaid-e-Azam wanted respect and equality given to all people of Pakistan, including Baloch. The people of Balochistan decided in a referendum of 1947 to be part of Pakistan, you can do a research on the referendum, no one can deny this.

 

[Sparten80]

Balochistan and the peoples inhabiting its lands have always been tied into the lands that constitute Pakistan. For the river Indus was the live-blood, not just of the Balochis, but of the Sindhis, Pashtuns, Panjabi's and Gilgitis/Kashmiris. All have been tied together in various forms all throughout history because of this life giving river. One also, needs to remember, that the Indus river was navigable prior to the construction of barrages, and mass irrigation projects conducted by the British. (Alexander sailed down it to Bhambore/Karachi)

Baloch have settled the whole western part of Sindh and are an integrative part of Sindhi culture, many times now completely conversant in Sindhi only over their native Balochi. Most Sindhi chieftans are Baloch in ancestry. The same is true in large parts of Panjab.

Large tracts of South Western Panjab (Dera Ghazi Khan - A Baloch chieftan) are settled by tribes of Baloch ethnic origin. Even in Pakhtoonkwa Khyber, Dera Ismail Khan (Baloch Chieftan) is settled by Baloch tribes.

I think the geography and barren nature of Balochistan always gave it a static history, a sort of borderland. But history has shown that they were always linked to the people of the Indus, who now call themselves, Pakistani

Salam to our beloved Baloch brothers and sisters! nothing but love for you!

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Balochistan was never part of sub-continent. Mekran was already under muslims when mohamad bin qasim attacked sindh, and that attack is regarded as first attack on india by muslims....so natural border of india was always river indus.,
also racially balochs (and pashtuns) are not related to indic people.
Pakistan consist of two set of peoples, 1: indic people which comprise of sindhis, punjabis, mohajirs, kashmiris 2: non-indic (iranic people) balochs and pashtuns.

 

[darkinsky]

Balochistan was never part of sub-continent. Mekran was already under muslims when mohamad bin qasim attacked sindh, and that attack is regarded as first attack on india by muslims....so natural border of india was always river indus.,
also racially balochs (and pashtuns) are not related to indic people.
Pakistan consist of two set of peoples, 1: indic people which comprise of sindhis, punjabis, mohajirs, kashmiris 2: non-indic (iranic people) balochs and pashtuns.

answer to the question, (please read the previous posts before saying blah blah blah

Balochistan and the peoples inhabiting its lands have always been tied into the lands that constitute Pakistan. For the river Indus was the live-blood, not just of the Balochis, but of the Sindhis, Pashtuns, Panjabi's and Gilgitis/Kashmiris. All have been tied together in various forms all throughout history because of this life giving river. One also, needs to remember, that the Indus river was navigable prior to the construction of barrages, and mass irrigation projects conducted by the British. (Alexander sailed down it to Bhambore/Karachi)

Baloch have settled the whole western part of Sindh and are an integrative part of Sindhi culture, many times now completely conversant in Sindhi only over their native Balochi. Most Sindhi chieftans are Baloch in ancestry. The same is true in large parts of Panjab.

Large tracts of South Western Panjab (Dera Ghazi Khan - A Baloch chieftan) are settled by tribes of Baloch ethnic origin. Even in Pakhtoonkwa Khyber, Dera Ismail Khan (Baloch Chieftan) is settled by Baloch tribes.

I think the geography and barren nature of Balochistan always gave it a static history, a sort of borderland. But history has shown that they were always linked to the people of the Indus, who now call themselves, Pakistani

Salam to our beloved Baloch brothers and sisters! nothing but love for you!

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Also if balochistan is that much historically tied to pakistan then why pakistan dont make a claim over irani balochistan?

 

[ThunderCat]

Good thread. But we should be careful not to confuse history of the Baloch landscape to the Baloch people. The Baloch people are derived from the Medes and settled in Balochistan going back only a few hundred years. The Baloch language itself is a northwestern Iranic language closely related to Kurdish and more distantly related to Pashto.

 

[Faani]

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[sur]

Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah with Nawab Akbar Bugti

The people of Balochistan just like the people of every part of Pakistan, including Kashmir, loved Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Quaid-e-Azam wanted respect and equality given to all people of Pakistan, including Baloch. The people of Balochistan decided in a referendum of 1947 to be part of Pakistan, you can do a research on the referendum, no one can deny this.

This is one of the reasons Musharaf should be punished the punishment of a traitor,,,

He killed one of the pro-Pakistani Baloach, & made it look like on media as if he was the one working against Pakistan...

Laa'Nat hooo iss zaleeel Musharaf per,,,


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[JonAsad]

Bugti and CJ Musharraf ko lay dobay- acha bhala chala reha tha Pakistan-

 

[ThunderCat]

I also read that 1947 Balochistan was an independent country just like Afgahnistan. It was taken over by force in 1948 by Pakistan Army. Is it true? Are there any documentary evidence available for us to look at?
I also read part of Balochistan is under Afgahnistan rule and Afgahnistan does not recognise the Durand line. So all these facts have to be established.

All I want to know are the facts as it happened not what we want to believe to justify ocuupation of foreign lands against the will of its inhabitants.

I have often heard on the BBC radio the views of Balochistan people who contradict the so called historical evidence given on this thread by Pakistani nationals. Can you show us in black and white just the facts and troll on what you think is true. It only creates misunderstanding.

Just the way it is being done on the Jammu & Kashmir issue. But that is not part ofhtis thread. I do not want any commnets on that issue. Just stay on the topic of this thread.

Thank you to all of you for your contribution.

Best regards and Peace.

More Afghan propaganda. The Baloch joined Pakistan in 1948 and some are today trying to break away yes, but not the vast majority of them. As for Afghanistan this article speaks for itself The Durand Line

 

[Secur]

Some excerpts. The whole article, "THE ACCESSION OF KALAT: MYTH AND REALITY" is well worth the reading:

A series of meetings between the Viceroy, as the Crown’s Representative, the Quaid and the Khan of Kalat followed, which resulted in a communiquéй on August 11, 1947. The communiquй stated that:

a. The Government of Pakistan recognizes Kalat as an independent sovereign state in treaty relations with the British Government with a status different from that of Indian States.

b. Legal opinion will be sought as to whether or not agreements of leases will be inherited by the Pakistan Government.

c. Meanwhile, a Standstill Agreement has been made between Pakistan and Kalat.

d. Discussions will take place between Pakistan and Kalat at Karachi at an early date with a view to reaching decisions on Defence, External Affairs and Communications.


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On March 18, 1948, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan issued a press note that the States of Kharan, Las Bela and Mekran had applied for accession to Pakistan, which was granted to them. The press report also said that after the accession of these three states to Pakistan, Kalat’s territory had been reduced to half of its previous area, and had ceased to have any outlet to the sea. The UK High Commissioner in Pakistan reported that the offer of accession was accepted by the Pakistan Cabinet when Jam of Las Bela, Chief of Kharan and Nawab Bai Khan of Mekran met the Quaid on March 17, 1948 and told him that “if Pakistan was not prepared to accept their offers of accession immediately, they would be compelled to take other steps for their protection against Khan of Kalat’s aggressive actions.”55 This was seen as a blow to the Khan as head of the Confederacy, the Baluchistan States Union.

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As this account makes amply clear, the story of the accession of Kalat was a long drawn out process. And although Pakistan came into being on August 14, 1947, the accession of Kalat did not take place till March 27, 1948. The three feudatories, two of which Las Bela and Kharan, which were recognized by the British as independent, played a key role in forcing the Khan of Kalat to accede to Pakistan.

The issue of the accession of Kalat has been clouded in controversy and mythology, because little or no research has been done on the subject. One scholar has described the annexation as, “a nine month tug of war that came to a climax in the forcible annexation of Kalat.”60 The reality is quite different. Khan of Kalat had no choice but to accede after Kharan, Las Bela and Mekran’s acceded to Pakistan, cutting off Kalat from the sea. The announcement on All India Radio that Kalat had been negotiating with India, which Nehru was at pains to deny in the Indian Parliament, caused such an outcry within Baluchistan and outside that the Khan acceded immediately to Pakistan.

The Baluchistan States Union existed between 3 October 1952 and 14 October 1955 in southwest Pakistan. It was formed by the states of Kalat, Kharan, Las Bela and Makran with the capital at the town of Kalat. The area of the Union was roughly the western half of the modern province of Balochistan.

Baluchistan States Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 17 March 1948, Makran acceded to Pakistan and on 3 October 1952 it joined Kalat, Kharan and Las Bela to form the Baluchistan States Union.

Makran (princely state) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 17 March 1948, Kharan acceded to Pakistan and on 3 October 1952 it joined the Baluchistan States Union.

Kharan (princely state) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is it enough or shall i post some other links confirming that the accession to Pakistan was indeed legal and there wasn't any Baluch uprising against the state of Pakistan ?

 

[Secur]

I consider Balochistan as an exception. Because unlike other provinces that willingly joined the Pakistani federation, Balochistan (Kalat Khanate) was annexed by a military action to Pakistan.

Is it necessary to talk about things that you know nothing about ?

Some excerpts. The whole article, "THE ACCESSION OF KALAT: MYTH AND REALITY" is well worth the reading:

A series of meetings between the Viceroy, as the Crown’s Representative, the Quaid and the Khan of Kalat followed, which resulted in a communiquéй on August 11, 1947. The communiquй stated that:

a. The Government of Pakistan recognizes Kalat as an independent sovereign state in treaty relations with the British Government with a status different from that of Indian States.

b. Legal opinion will be sought as to whether or not agreements of leases will be inherited by the Pakistan Government.

c. Meanwhile, a Standstill Agreement has been made between Pakistan and Kalat.

d. Discussions will take place between Pakistan and Kalat at Karachi at an early date with a view to reaching decisions on Defence, External Affairs and Communications.


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On March 18, 1948, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan issued a press note that the States of Kharan, Las Bela and Mekran had applied for accession to Pakistan, which was granted to them. The press report also said that after the accession of these three states to Pakistan, Kalat’s territory had been reduced to half of its previous area, and had ceased to have any outlet to the sea. The UK High Commissioner in Pakistan reported that the offer of accession was accepted by the Pakistan Cabinet when Jam of Las Bela, Chief of Kharan and Nawab Bai Khan of Mekran met the Quaid on March 17, 1948 and told him that “if Pakistan was not prepared to accept their offers of accession immediately, they would be compelled to take other steps for their protection against Khan of Kalat’s aggressive actions.”55 This was seen as a blow to the Khan as head of the Confederacy, the Baluchistan States Union.

...
As this account makes amply clear, the story of the accession of Kalat was a long drawn out process. And although Pakistan came into being on August 14, 1947, the accession of Kalat did not take place till March 27, 1948. The three feudatories, two of which Las Bela and Kharan, which were recognized by the British as independent, played a key role in forcing the Khan of Kalat to accede to Pakistan.

The issue of the accession of Kalat has been clouded in controversy and mythology, because little or no research has been done on the subject. One scholar has described the annexation as, “a nine month tug of war that came to a climax in the forcible annexation of Kalat.”60 The reality is quite different. Khan of Kalat had no choice but to accede after Kharan, Las Bela and Mekran’s acceded to Pakistan, cutting off Kalat from the sea. The announcement on All India Radio that Kalat had been negotiating with India, which Nehru was at pains to deny in the Indian Parliament, caused such an outcry within Baluchistan and outside that the Khan acceded immediately to Pakistan.

The Baluchistan States Union existed between 3 October 1952 and 14 October 1955 in southwest Pakistan. It was formed by the states of Kalat, Kharan, Las Bela and Makran with the capital at the town of Kalat. The area of the Union was roughly the western half of the modern province of Balochistan.

Baluchistan States Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 17 March 1948, Makran acceded to Pakistan and on 3 October 1952 it joined Kalat, Kharan and Las Bela to form the Baluchistan States Union.

Makran (princely state) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 17 March 1948, Kharan acceded to Pakistan and on 3 October 1952 it joined the Baluchistan States Union.

Kharan (princely state) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Is it enough or shall i post some other links confirming that the accession to Pakistan was indeed legal and there wasn't any Baluch uprising against the state of Pakistan ?