Balochistan Cheers Up!

[alibaz]

pashtun from any where, from quetta etc, i didnt say that pashtuns werent from quetta but i said, in balochistan baloch should have come, but there was little baloch.., as i said, pashtuns whether from balochistan or KP, all pashtuns are very much routing for imran, but balochis are very much upset from all pakistan, thats why they are not even routing for imran

Why do you associate Balochistan with balochi speaking people, other languages are pushto, brohui, persian and Sindhi. All these ethnical groups are Balochi by all definitions. They are sons of soil and their tribes are there for centuries.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Why do you associate Balochistan with balochi speaking people, other languages are pushto, brohui, persian and Sindhi. All these ethnical groups are Balochi by all definitions. They are sons of soil and their tribes are there for centuries.

You did'nt get the point. Bruhis are considered culturally and politically part of balochs. But pashtuns of 13 districts of northren balochistan are can not be termed as "balochis" in any way. Pashtuns of balochistan are pro-pakistan and never participated in any baloch rebellion, they are like KP pashtuns. But baloch bruhis are the ones who should be focused on in the currunt insurgency. It is very important point that in quetta jalsa majority of the participants were not balochs, it reflects the seriousness of situation.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

You did'nt get the point. Bruhis are considered culturally and politically part of balochs. But pashtuns of 13 districts of northren balochistan are can not be termed as "balochis" in any way. Pashtuns of balochistan are pro-pakistan and never participated in any baloch rebellion, they are like KP pashtuns. But baloch bruhis are the ones who should be focused on in the currunt insurgency. It is very important point that in quetta jalsa majority of the participants were not balochs, it reflects the seriousness of situation.

i hope you are also aware that there are only certain groups within 3 (of several) Baloch tribes that are even engaged in the insurgency/terrorism movement against Pakistani State

majority of the Baloch tribes have nothing to do with these anti-state actors

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

i hope you are also aware that there are only certain groups within 3 (of several) Baloch tribes that are even engaged in the insurgency/terrorism movement against Pakistani State

majority of the Baloch tribes have nothing to do with these anti-state actors

You are fooling yourself if you think like that. The three tribes, mengal, marri and bugti are "martial, military " tribes, they are doing armed resistance and rest of the balochs have sympathy/support with their cause to varying extent. Only few thousands mukti bhani fought, even though crores of bengalis were in favour of independance.
only waziristanis , afridis and few other pashtun tribes were contineously fighting with british, it doesnt mean rest of pashtuns were o.k with british rule.
Hum pakistanio k sath ye masla he k uss wakt baidar hote hain jab paani sar se guzar chuka hota he...sakot-e-dhaka tak pakistanio ko yahi ghalat fehmi ti k "every thing is o.k" ya aksar bengali mehab-e-watan hain , sirf kuch sharpasand anasir hain.....balochistan k mamle may be yahi ho raha he. Zahid hamid ko suno ge tu yahi haal hoga.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

You are fooling yourself if you think like that. The three tribes, mengal, marri and bugti are "martial, military " tribes, they are doing armed resistance and rest of the balochs have sympathy/support with their cause to varying extent. Only few thousands mukti bhani fought, even though crores of bengalis were in favour of independance.
only waziristanis , afridis and few other pashtun tribes were contineously fighting with british, it doesnt mean rest of pashtuns were o.k with british rule.
Hum pakistanio k sath ye masla he k uss wakt baidar hote hain jab paani sar se guzar chuka hota he...sakot-e-dhaka tak pakistanio ko yahi ghalat fehmi ti k "every thing is o.k" ya aksar bengali mehab-e-watan hain , sirf kuch sharpasand anasir hain.....balochistan k mamle may be yahi ho raha he. Zahid hamid ko suno ge tu yahi haal hoga.

a few points:


"Waziristani" isnt a tribe....

most of the Baloch tribes - some members or representatives or elders may have some grievences but they are not anti-Pakistan.....the ones doing armed resistance (blowing up pipelines, occasional attack on FC-paramil/police/etc. etc. are the same ones who gun down professors, doctors, lawyers etc. You think these people represent Baloch sentiment? They are nothing more than bandits and murderers.

it's stupid to bring up East Pakistan in which political spectrum was different, geography was different (it was thousands of kilometers away, with enemy territory in between)

by the way just FYI - the Waziris, Mehsuds, Afridis were very much anti- British. Yes there were a few tribes that actually sided with the British for purely vested interest reasons. If one tribe was fighting another, obviously it made "sense" for one of them to work with the British and allow their forces to have presence in the areas to afford them protection. The British were so cunning that even in those days they tried to play sectarian and tribal card in FATA --- learning only later on that when Britishers were viewed as occupiers - all the tribes set aside their differences and united together to fight the oppressor. To a much lesser extent, we see it today even.


and let me tell you -- Zaid Hamid doesnt speak on my behalf or for me. He runs a TV talk show and makes money from it.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

a few points:


"Waziristani" isnt a tribe....

I used that term to combine wazir, mehsuds and dawars...and i never claimed that it is a tribe. When we say "paktiawals", it doesnt mean we take it for a tribe.

most of the Baloch tribes - some members or representatives or elders may have some grievences but they are not anti-Pakistan

we cant interview each and every baloch to ask them whether they are pro-pakistani or not. But ask yourself few questions , Agar wahan halat kharab hain tu kyun? Sare balochi politicians aur leaders punjab/pakistan k khilaf kyun bol rahain hain? Kia media pagal he jo issue ko khamakha highlight kar rahi he?. Human rights ki reports? Target killings? Gumshuda baloch ya unki masakhshuda lashain? Quomi tarane aur jandey par papandi, mir muzafar jamali ko aisa karne par mara jata he?
Tell me one thing for balochs would consider themeselves proud pakistanis?

.....the ones doing armed resistance (blowing up pipelines, occasional attack on FC-paramil/police/etc. etc. are the same ones who gun down professors, doctors, lawyers etc.

And baloch leaders are denying their involvment in activities of bla, they are condeming killing of settlers. God knows who exactly are bla people, RAW, CIA or ISI?

You think these people represent Baloch sentiment? They are nothing more than bandits and murderers.

Kuch kaha nahi ja sakta he bla wale kaun he. Neither you nor me represent baloch people. Its baloch leaders who represent baloch people's sentiments.

it's stupid to bring up East Pakistan in which political spectrum was different, geography was different (it was thousands of kilometers away, with enemy territory in between)

Yar todha dimagh use kar. May ne balocho ko bengalio se iss liye tashbihe nahi di k inn ki apas may shakle milti hain ....its about injustices, grievances...40 saal pehle bengali jiss kisam ki shiktaian kar raha ta, wahi baloch kar raha. Waha bi "mutti bar" mukti bhani ti, yaha par bi aisa he. Waha pak fauj ke karnamo se sub ba-khabar hain, yaha new style k saath "gumshuda lashain", "masakhshuda lashain. Ye sara gund ISI ne machaya howa he, jiss k protection k under rehna ka tum dawa kar rahe ho.

by the way just FYI - the Waziris, Mehsuds, Afridis were very much anti- British. Yes there were a few tribes that actually sided with the British for purely vested interest reasons. If one tribe was fighting another, obviously it made "sense" for one of them to work with the British and allow their forces to have presence in the areas to afford them protection. The British were so cunning that even in those days they tried to play sectarian and tribal card in FATA --- learning only later on that when Britishers were viewed as occupiers - all the tribes set aside their differences and united together to fight the oppressor. To a much lesser extent, we see it today even.


and let me tell you -- Zaid Hamid doesnt speak on my behalf or for me. He runs a TV talk show and makes money from it.

I wont discuss the pashtun history with u on the occasion, i just gave u examples , you went on discussing them on detail.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

to be honest man, i lost grasp of even what point you are trying to make....

i'll give you time to actually come up with a question, or a response to something. I get nothing from your post.



''baloch leaders'' --- you mean those guys who wear those hats, thrash women and bury them alive, the guys who talk about ''evil punjabis, evil pathans'' and the same guys who speak bad about Pakistan while the country provides them with 50 Landcruisers and plots of land in Karachi and Islamabad.


great!!!

 

[Pakistanisage]

sad to say but the rally didn't live up to expectation no 100,000 people not even close to karachi or lahore jalsa!! this jalsa was a major alarm bell that no big baloch leader nor any major turn out happened.

Balochistan is Pakistan's most sparsely Populated area. You cannot compare the crowds of Balochistan with crowds of Karachi, Lahore and Rawalpindi/Islamabad.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

where will president obama during campaign season have more raudy, loud, support and participation in politics.....in some dusty town in Arizona, or in New York city (with educated, politically conscious population around 11 million)

what kind of logic are you using? At least he held a rally in Balochistan.


PPP is too cowardly to do any real rally. They just pay people to vote for them, offer them lands, drivers, and fogiven loan repayment obligations. Not much more to it than that!

 

[alibaz]

You did'nt get the point. Bruhis are considered culturally and politically part of balochs. But pashtuns of 13 districts of northren balochistan are can not be termed as "balochis" in any way. Pashtuns of balochistan are pro-pakistan and never participated in any baloch rebellion, they are like KP pashtuns. But baloch bruhis are the ones who should be focused on in the currunt insurgency. It is very important point that in quetta jalsa majority of the participants were not balochs, it reflects the seriousness of situation.

Isn't it ridiculous that people living in 13 districts of Balochistan can not be termed as balochis. If I go by your statement only three tribes are balochis. Please have a glass of water it's very hot out side.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

seems some people here gone ''bananas'' and are still living in some kind of tribal mentality


who the F*CK cares about their ethnicity? Residents of Balochistan are Baloch.



the same way --- Mexicans with American passports, blacks with American passports and Persian with American passports who are residents (and tax payers) of the state of California in USA are AMERICAN citizens.



what the hell is wrong with some of you people -- arguing over who is ''true Baloch'' versus who is ''Pakthun'' or Hazara....next you guys will say who is hindu, who is sunni who is shiia....


this mindset among some of you people must change.....mend your ways



i know some Hazara refugees in Peshawar......came from a good family, they are reasonably well-to do. Nobody ever bothers them and slams on their gate at home and tells them ''get lost, you aren't Pathan''


f*ck these people inside and outside of Pakistan who view things on tribal or sectarian prism. You people must all go to hell.

traitors

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Isn't it ridiculous that people living in 13 districts of Balochistan can not be termed as balochis. If I go by your statement only three tribes are balochis. Please have a glass of water it's very hot out side.

Very immature thinking. One of the biggest complain that pashtuns of balochistan have is that they are mistaken as balochs, there is identity crisis and you want to label them as balochs..go on
A baloch is baloch and pashtun is pashtun, dont confuse these two. The name balochistan is misnomer, it is actually a pashtun-baloch province.
And remember pashtuns of balochistan might be pro-pakistan but they would never be used as tools against balochs..inn k aapas may bradrana talukaat hain.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

seems some people here gone ''bananas'' and are still living in some kind of tribal mentality


who the F*CK cares about their ethnicity? Residents of Balochistan are Baloch.



the same way --- Mexicans with American passports, blacks with American passports and Persian with American passports who are residents (and tax payers) of the state of California in USA are AMERICAN citizens.



what the hell is wrong with some of you people -- arguing over who is ''true Baloch'' versus who is ''Pakthun'' or Hazara....next you guys will say who is hindu, who is sunni who is shiia....


this mindset among some of you people must change.....mend your ways



i know some Hazara refugees in Peshawar......came from a good family, they are reasonably well-to do. Nobody ever bothers them and slams on their gate at home and tells them ''get lost, you aren't Pathan''


f*ck these people inside and outside of Pakistan who view things on tribal or sectarian prism. You people must all go to hell.

traitors

Why you have caught fire dude? Whats the meaning of cursing here and there. You want to label pashtuns as balochs so that you can claim that majority of balochs are pro-pakistan?....go on, fool yourself.
And why bring hazaras into the topic? I know you are shia, you are sentimental about hazaras but i never mentioned any thing about hazaras at all.. Baat kia he?
Tribes and qaums are for identity, quran says so. And for identification purpose we distinguish between different tribes or qaums. In this case we cant confuse pashtuns with balochs. Both are humans and muslims, but are different communities.
and tell me one thing, if pashtun as identity is haraam for you then pakistani as identity should also be haraam for you in your version of islam as pashtunism and pakistanism both becomes regionalism.
Check history, Countries and nations like pakistan are created and disappeared. for next two or three centuries pakistan might not be on world map, but pashtuns would be living in their lands. I would be fool to discard my langauge, identity , culture, thousands-year old history for mainstream urdu identity of pakistan.