Balkanization of India is viable but I don't care

[fitpOsitive]

Ab ye bata how long will PDF last? Will PDF witness India's demise? And you never answer to the point. Is @Areesh old or young?

- PRTP GWD

Mujhe kia pta. Ask him, torayga tang Teri.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Goray India or China donon k pechy hain. I bet, India ko taqseem kerny ka mansooba Islamabad main nai bna, Washington main bna hai. Or RSS waly is mansoby main shamil hain.

Don't lecture us on Americans or other whites. We, Bhartis are veterans in dealing with USA. Shall I post links? Tagging an expert on Bharat: @Areesh.

- PRTP GWD

India k liay best yeh hoga keh Kashmir issue solve kary, Pakistan and China ko onboard ly, or apny aapko bachaey.

Bhed-bakri se keh rahe ho, "Apne ap ko kasaai ke hawale kar do."

- PRTP GWD

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Note: Those who read why India's balkanization is viable should also read why I don't care.

I am a civilian. I know nothing about security issues - internal or external. But I am the person on ground and I can vouch for the plethora of inter-community dislike or animosity. Why, I have read that even the cadets of that sacred institution - whose objective is to protect the country - the magnificent NDA, practice provincialism. The senior cadets often befriend and spare the juniors the ragging if they hail from their own state.

This is an incomplete list of who hates/dislikes whom and other subversive elements in India:

* Hindus hate Muslims and vice versa

* Negligible hate between Hindus and Christians but mixing of the rituals of the two religions and Hindu-Christian marriage are a taboo

* In some rural regions of Hindi belt the caste violence is so intense that entire families are wiped out including children

* The numbers of tribals - who serve as cannon fodder in naxalite groups - is high. They are a great destabilizing factor.

* Northies hate Southies and vice versa

* A percentage of Maharashtrians dislike bhaiyyas of UP and Bihar

* A percentage of Maharashtrians dislike/hate Kannadigas

* Kannadigas hate almost everyone else and vice versa

* Tamilians hate almost everyone else

* A percentage of Keralites hate Kannadigas

* Northies find Telugu speaking people (both from Telangana and Andhra Pradesh) particularly disgusting and nauseating and have given them jocular names

* Many states in North East - with the exception of Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh and nowadays hopefully Assam - hate mainland India

* Mainland Indians don't necessarily hate North East Indians but have a strong dislike and aversion to them and discriminate against them due to their Mongoloid features

* Goans are a special kind of idiots. They brawl with domestic tourists from all over the country but suck up to Whites and allow their nudity.

* Silver lining is nobody hates Sikhs and Sikhs hate nobody. Khalistan is history.

India also has two or three powerful enemies with whom it shares very long borders. But this situation is not an unusual case. In fact everywhere in the world balkanization process is ignited by foreign hand only.

One factor that works against the balkanization of India is the docility of South Indians. For balkanization, probably the entire populace should be of rebellious and perhaps a bit boisterous nature.

Why I don't care about India's fate?

Earlier I would root for singlehanded Indian victory over multiple external and internal enemies like Pakistan, China, USA, naxalites, Bangladesh etc. I would wonder if India is good enough to win and follow this "game". It would take exceptional intellect to prevent a tinderbox like India from inflaming. If one is able to hold India together like the British did, it would be nothing short of a work of a genius.

But I have had a bad experience with a genius. I was disappointed. Ever since, I have a dislike for geniuses. An explanatory paragraph:

I hate geniuses. I hate scientists, mathematicians, chess champions, prodigious engineers, prodigious economists and other technical prodigies. Earlier when I hadn't met one (or thought that I hadn't) I guessed being in the company of a genius would be riveting, thrilling, exciting etc. Like watching 1978 movie ‘Don’, reading the entertaining excerpts of the novel 'One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich' (by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn), listening to great music etc. I had incorrectly thought that their presence is something worth looking forward to in life. But the reality really seems to be different. Now I know the feel of a company of a genius may be no better than workplace banality. I had presumed meeting a genius would be fun. But meeting with genius turned out to be an ordinary experience. It was not much pleasure.

It's very painful. If the best of humankind are boring, then is there anything to look forward to?

Since then, I am past caring. I stopped bothering about whether the establishment pulls the challenging feat off or whether they fail. The moment I think of the actuality of geniuses I instantly lose interest in the games of international politics.

- PRTP GWD

I just read it now. It's actually a good, profound post. Did not expect it from this poster.

No Bagheera, India won't disintegrate so fast. We only need to remove Narendra Modi and BJP, and maybe there is a chance for the Union to survive. At the moment, it's really 75:25.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

I just read it now. It's actually a good, profound post. Did not expect it from this poster.

No Bagheera, India won't disintegrate so fast. We only need to remove Narendra Modi and BJP, and maybe there is a chance for the Union to survive. At the moment, it's really 75:25.

Now reply to that Mumbai thread. Tagging you again for your reference.

- PRTP GWD

 

[Shantanu_Left]

The whole FACADE of Indian Union was a dream of Sardar Patel, this artificial state was never Viable. I am amazed how it lasted that long, maybe MODI will expedite the inevitable.

Modern India was more a creation of Jawaharlal Nehru (you can add Gandhi, Cyril Radcliffe, and the Mountbattens to the ranks of original founders). Sardar Patel was an underling of Nehru, and did help unite the princely states. But I don't consider him a founder of India. Yes BJP-RSS Bhakts mistakenly do that

Look, every great nation state has had its tense moments of breakdown and crisis. America underwent that crisis during the Civil War. Maybe it is India's Abraham Lincoln moment, as India is the second greatest country after America. The last line was superfluous though.

Now reply to that Mumbai thread. Tagging you again for your reference.

- PRTP GWD

Yawn, OK. It better be interesting.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Note: Those who read why India's balkanization is viable should also read why I don't care.

I am a civilian. I know nothing about security issues - internal or external. But I am the person on ground and I can vouch for the plethora of inter-community dislike or animosity. Why, I have read that even the cadets of that sacred institution - whose objective is to protect the country - the magnificent NDA, practice provincialism. The senior cadets often befriend and spare the juniors the ragging if they hail from their own state.

This is an incomplete list of who hates/dislikes whom and other subversive elements in India:

* Hindus hate Muslims and vice versa

* Negligible hate between Hindus and Christians but mixing of the rituals of the two religions and Hindu-Christian marriage are a taboo

* In some rural regions of Hindi belt the caste violence is so intense that entire families are wiped out including children

* The numbers of tribals - who serve as cannon fodder in naxalite groups - is high. They are a great destabilizing factor.

* Northies hate Southies and vice versa

* A percentage of Maharashtrians dislike bhaiyyas of UP and Bihar

* A percentage of Maharashtrians dislike/hate Kannadigas

* Kannadigas hate almost everyone else and vice versa

* Tamilians hate almost everyone else

* A percentage of Keralites hate Kannadigas

* Northies find Telugu speaking people (both from Telangana and Andhra Pradesh) particularly disgusting and nauseating and have given them jocular names

* Many states in North East - with the exception of Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh and nowadays hopefully Assam - hate mainland India

* Mainland Indians don't necessarily hate North East Indians but have a strong dislike and aversion to them and discriminate against them due to their Mongoloid features

* Goans are a special kind of idiots. They brawl with domestic tourists from all over the country but suck up to Whites and allow their nudity.

* Silver lining is nobody hates Sikhs and Sikhs hate nobody. Khalistan is history.

India also has two or three powerful enemies with whom it shares very long borders. But this situation is not an unusual case. In fact everywhere in the world balkanization process is ignited by foreign hand only.

One factor that works against the balkanization of India is the docility of South Indians. For balkanization, probably the entire populace should be of rebellious and perhaps a bit boisterous nature.

Why I don't care about India's fate?

Earlier I would root for singlehanded Indian victory over multiple external and internal enemies like Pakistan, China, USA, naxalites, Bangladesh etc. I would wonder if India is good enough to win and follow this "game". It would take exceptional intellect to prevent a tinderbox like India from inflaming. If one is able to hold India together like the British did, it would be nothing short of a work of a genius.

But I have had a bad experience with a genius. I was disappointed. Ever since, I have a dislike for geniuses. An explanatory paragraph:

I hate geniuses. I hate scientists, mathematicians, chess champions, prodigious engineers, prodigious economists and other technical prodigies. Earlier when I hadn't met one (or thought that I hadn't) I guessed being in the company of a genius would be riveting, thrilling, exciting etc. Like watching 1978 movie ‘Don’, reading the entertaining excerpts of the novel 'One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich' (by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn), listening to great music etc. I had incorrectly thought that their presence is something worth looking forward to in life. But the reality really seems to be different. Now I know the feel of a company of a genius may be no better than workplace banality. I had presumed meeting a genius would be fun. But meeting with genius turned out to be an ordinary experience. It was not much pleasure.

It's very painful. If the best of humankind are boring, then is there anything to look forward to?

Since then, I am past caring. I stopped bothering about whether the establishment pulls the challenging feat off or whether they fail. The moment I think of the actuality of geniuses I instantly lose interest in the games of international politics.

- PRTP GWD

@GHALIB @jamahir

- PRTP GWD

 

[jamahir]

@GHALIB @jamahir

- PRTP GWD

* Negligible hate between Hindus and Christians but mixing of the rituals of the two religions and Hindu-Christian marriage are a taboo

Yes, inter-religion marriages which should have been pronounced after 70 years of "secularism" in India, mostly are still taboo.

* In some rural regions of Hindi belt the caste violence is so intense that entire families are wiped out including children

Happens in the South too. Example, the experiences of the late Rohith Vemula.

* The numbers of tribals - who serve as cannon fodder in naxalite groups - is high. They are a great destabilizing factor.

1. The numbers are because most of the middle class are immune to the human sufferings within India.
2. Why are they a destabilizing factor ?

 

[letsrock]

One may ask why India remained perfectly united for 70 years. I think it is because there was not much contact between peoples of various states until 2000. Whatever little interstate migration happened, happened in trickles. Hence it didn't have any effect. It was only in 21st century that people started migrating in large numbers for the purpose of education and jobs. When massive contact between various communities started in 2000s, racism of different communities became visible.

@fitpOsitive @MayaBazar @aryadravida

- PRTP GWD

You are correct. Most migration is intra state. and where migration happened between states like north indians to mumbai or tamils to mumbai earlier it created massive unrest and led to emergence of political parties like shiv sena. Essentially indians cant stand each other outside of their language. And when hindi people come with more sense of entitlement because hindi is national language myth it creates even more trouble . Better to let people live where they are comfortable and give them some soverignity.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

@TheGreatMaratha waisy tum India waly ghalat dushman se lerh rahy ho. Musalman ya Pakistan tumhary dushman nai hain. Tumhary asal dushman tumhary best friends hain.

To ye wars 1947, 65, 71 aur 99 ke timepass ke liye lade the kya? Ye 2008 mai jo Mumbai pe jo humla hua wo aise hi humne lite liya jaye kya? Hafiz Saeed aise hi bike pe yaha waha ghoom raha hai Pakistan mai vo aise hi bhool jaye kya? Pakistan ke aam logo ke haath mai bandook aur Kashmir ke naare lagate hai ye hum seriously nahi lenge?

Sorry, abhi to ye mumkin nahi lag raha.

Sardar Patel was an underling of Nehru, and did help unite the princely states. But I don't consider him a founder of India. Yes BJP-RSS Bhakts mistakenly do that

It's more like you despise whoever Hindutvavadis support and whatever magnitude of influence that person might have. Both Sardar Patel and V.P Menon played a crucial role in 'convincing' the princely states to join the union of India. Only a foolish person will neglect their efforts. Tomorrow, if Hindutvavadis support Gandhi, you'll start hating Gandhi as well. That's how your simple brain works.

 

[MayaBazar]

Very Interesting Discussion. Do have a question for experienced folks here. Is balkanization of India in interests of Pakistan ?

Few points come to my mind.

1. Smaller county-states will be able to bring lesser resources to bear against Pakistan, in case of non amicable situation. (Good)
2. Pakistan's neighbors will have no Strategic depth. (Good)
3. Smaller country-states may or may not be friendly to Pakistan. Remember these are same set of folks. Assuming they will be friendly is not good strategic thinking (bad ?)
4. Pakistan would prefer a larger/slower India that is focussed internally rather than strong willed quicker enemies that could react quicker.(bad)
5. Assumption that Pakistan will be able to take advantage during formative time could be miss-placed. Any action initiated by Pakistan will unite India in general. (?)
6. Will Pakistan be able to maintain it's geo-political status in the new future (?)
7. Is there a potential for other countries to leverage same kind of social fissures against integrity of Pakistan? (?)

If India gets balkanized, you can be assured that Pakistan will follow suit as the only reason why Pakistan exists is its uber animosity for India.

 

[El Sidd]

If India gets balkanized, you can be assured that Pakistan will follow suit as the only reason why Pakistan exists is its uber animosity for India.

wishful thinking but sure start with India we will see how long Pakistan hold on

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

wishful thinking but sure start with India we will see how long Pakistan hold on

We have already started with Pakistan and it's good to see that India has held on.

 

[El Sidd]

We have already started with Pakistan and it's good to see that India has held on.

victory seems so near for you. go for it

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Why are they a destabilizing factor ?

Tribals are the foot soldiers of naxalites. The roaming in jungles, lootings, killings and such dirty undignified work is done by tribals. Civilised people don't do that.

Hence tribals are a destabilizing factor.

- PRTP GWD

 

[MayaBazar]

Northies don't have a dislike for Telugu names. They have a dislike for Telugu community. Someone has given a jocular name to Telugu community. It is used extensively in US by Northies. Shall I mention the word?

- PRTP GWD

You mean names like Mallu, Gujju, Gulti, Madrasi, Bong, Bhayya etc. ? LoL You need to build a better narrative next time.