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Bakhshali manuscript from Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa has the earliest recorded origin of the zero symbol

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LOL
FYI RigVeda doen't mention Sindh river , though it mentions of Saraswati river upteen number times , that same Saraswati river that flowed in Hariyana ,Punjab ,Rajastan falling to into sea Gujarat coast.

It's funny that pakistanis claims over IVC , aryan Vedic hindu religion , on top of that they are also inheritors of central Asian Moghuls and other Arab invaders.

They say there are more people who claim to be descendant of the Prophet in Pakistan than in whole of Arabia .:woot:

Yeah well at least my claim has some sort of scientific empirical evidence. Unlike yours:

"Results obtained from odontometric and dental morphology analyses are highly congruent. In both cases, Awans are identified as possessing closest affinities to prehistoric inhabitants of the Indus Valley, with more distant affinities to living ethnic groups from the Hindu Kush highlands and inhabitants of peninsular India. Awans share little to no affinities to prehistoric inhabitants of Central Asia. Such results suggest that the living Awans of Mansehra District most likely represent the descendants of indigenous populations of the Indus Valley of Pakistan, and provide no support for claims of Central Asian or peninsular Indian origins."

http://meeting.physanth.org/program...ndia-a-dental-morphometric-investigation.html

Now unless you get those Rakhgarhi DNA samples published that gives more information, I will stick with the only available concrete evidence. As for what Aakash from Bengaluru thinks, I don't give a shizzle.
 
Yeah well at least my claim has some sort of scientific empirical evidence. Unlike yours:

"Results obtained from odontometric and dental morphology analyses are highly congruent. In both cases, Awans are identified as possessing closest affinities to prehistoric inhabitants of the Indus Valley, with more distant affinities to living ethnic groups from the Hindu Kush highlands and inhabitants of peninsular India. Awans share little to no affinities to prehistoric inhabitants of Central Asia. Such results suggest that the living Awans of Mansehra District most likely represent the descendants of indigenous populations of the Indus Valley of Pakistan, and provide no support for claims of Central Asian or peninsular Indian origins."

Thank Bhangwan , pakistanis are opening up to DNA tests and acknowledging their local ancestry .

Otherwise most claim they are either Arab Syeds or Iranins or Central asians Moghuls and nothing to do with their real dark skinned Hindu ancestors.
 
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LOL :lol::lol:

Chandragupta Maurya and his son and grand son were ruling whole of subcontinent from Ganga land of Patna , Bihar 2000 years back .

The Geographical region called India/Indies existed for thousand of years for the outside world , before Vasco da gama found the sea route to India , Christopher Columbus missed his way to India and landed up in North America a place which he called
West Indies .
What is this; The Geographical region called India/Indies existed for thousand of years for the outside world ,.... All of earth existed for "thousand" of years, what is special about it.
India was never referred to a nation or a tribe, but a geographical region. being indian is not a ethnicity, as being Punjabi, Gujraati, Pushtoon, maratha etc is. No tribe, or nation or ethnicity ever (except for in very recent history) identified itself as Indian.
.... And Columbus sailed across Atlantic Ocean and reached an archipelago and missed India by 'whole of continental Americas, whole of Pacific Ocean, Whole of East Asia and Peninsular Subcontinent, That is, more than half of Globe: meaning European in 1492 had no idea just speculations on geography.
European never really cared much about naming whether it be a region or people or ethnicity.
 
Thank Bhangwan , pakistanis are opening up to DNA tests and acknowledging their local ancestry .

Otherwise most claim they are either Arab Syeds or Iranins or Central asians of Moghuls and nothing to do with their real dark skinned Hindu ancestors.

I have absolutely no skin based hatred or any other hatred in honesty but please don't spread misinformation here.

But have you seen many Awans? And that too from Mansehra and surrounding areas? They hardly look like the "real dark skinned Hindu ancestors", whatever the hell that means anyways.
 
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@Suriya

Your most famous Bollywood actor is an Awan:

dilip-kumar-1-sized.jpg
 
Sumerians created the number zero before anyone else.
Butt hurt indians and afghan terrorist need to learn history better. :lol:
 
Isn't it a common belief people in pakistan lived in an era of Jahalia before advent of Islam in that region when MBQ conquered Sindh ?

If pakistanis were inheritors of cradle of civilization why they had to convert to islam , religion of Arab Bedouins ?

PS : Bakhshali manuscript was written by Hindu Brhamin/Baniya mathematician .

At the time when Bakhshali manuscript was written down there was no Hindu or Baniya....
These terms were coined much later;
 
What is this; The Geographical region called India/Indies existed for thousand of years for the outside world ,.... All of earth existed for "thousand" of years, what is special about it.
India was never referred to a nation or a tribe, but a geographical region. being indian is not a ethnicity, as being Punjabi, Gujraati, Pushtoon, maratha etc is. No tribe, or nation or ethnicity ever (except for in very recent history) identified itself as Indian.

While us indigenous people knew geophical region as Bharat Varsha , this geographical region which includes todays Pakistan was always called India and it's inhabitants as one group of people called Indian or similar terms by the Europeans .

While Arabs and Persians knew us as Hindustan and people as one group of people called Hindus/Hindis . Moghul kings called themselves Shehenshah of Hindustan which included all of the sub continent.

Even today Arabs refer to people of this subcontinent as one group of people namely Hindis.

Sumerians created the number zero before anyone else.
Butt hurt indians and afghan terrorist need to learn history better. :lol:
the Sumerians use of zero was as a placeholder for a empty space, not as a distinct number.

It has a very different meaning when you ascribe a nothing value to a distinct number which is then used in calculations. Indians did it for the first time .
 
Pakistanis have pathetic historical knowledge , poor people have to forget heavily tumultuous past , i pity them .
Yep, Pakistani had tumultuous past, and Indian had smooth past, that is, slavery throughout.
Indians have hundred and millions of years history of yugas, Kalpas etc. unfortunately which no body understand.

A Bit of history for you , when Chandragupta Maurya ruled 80% of the Indian sub cont from his capital Pataliputra/Patna , Bihar , ancient Greek historian Megasthenes work was an ambassador of Greece in his court , he wrote his an account in the book called Indica , so India existed even at the time of Chandragupta Maurya .
Mauryas ruled 80% of sub-continent for few decades, in the long history, so what?
Mongols, Greeks in the time of Alexander etc. ruled vast expanses of Land, over many nations, tribes etc. so were the subjugated nations/peoples were called Mongols or Greeks..?
What at the time different races in east or north or soulth subcontinent called itself?

But you guys were happy or cherished being called Indian , changed everything about yourself from religion, culture to language , even a carved country called pakistan out of it in 1947 .

Don't blame us if we still carry the tag of india proudly for thousands of years .




It is Bakhshali manuscript , not script .



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakhshali_manuscript
Since when the inhabitant of Subcontinent called them selves Indians?
Was Shivaji Maratha called himself Indian? and his antagonist Auranzeb called himself Indian?
Akbar called himself Indian? and Maharan called himself Indian.?
etc.
You see, only after subjugation by British: people of Subcontinent started to get know each other as Indian, thus born the Indian Nationalism, which is a gift of British Rule.
British conquered a plethora of different nationalities, ethnicity, tribes, etc and gave it name and shape from 1857 to 1947.

Great....now the discovery that zero is 500 years old tells a lot about the advances made by vedic civilization.



Leave them man...the point is the whole world calls that as Indian civilization.

@ on topic...Bakhshali manuscript calls zero as shunya-bindu.

You must have heard the term 'European Civilization'? whether it mean that Europe is a single nation or culture or what?
As Europe denote a geographical area so does the term India. Got it?

Moreover, Vedic Culture or Civilization (if you must) is only found in books.

While us indigenous people knew geophical region as Bharat Varsha , this geographical region which includes todays Pakistan was always called India and it's inhabitants as one group of people called Indian or similar terms by the Europeans .

While Arabs and Persians knew us as Hindustan and people as one group of people called Hindus/Hindis . Moghul kings called themselves Shehenshah of Hindustan which included all of the sub continent.

Even today Arabs refer to people of this subcontinent as one group of people namely Hindis.
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Bharat Varsha was first used about 1 B.C. in Agni Purana for Land bound by Himalaya in north and Sea in South.
Before, named used was Aryaverta, which referred to North and north-western sub-continent region only.
and Before that name used was Septa Sindhu, land of Seven rivers, which comprised the 5 rivers of Punjab and Sindh and Saraswati (Ghaggar Hakra) river.
No one residing in subcontinent called itself India or Indian in antiquity till subjugated by British.
Indian is not an ethnicity; like Punjabi, Maratha, Bengali, Rajput, etc.
According to you arab called to Hindustani, but tell me, what you people called yourself then?
 
the point is the whole world calls that as Indian civilization.
Most erroneously!

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FYI RigVeda doesn't mention Sindh river , though it mentions of Saraswati river upteen number times , that same Saraswati river that flowed in Hariyana ,Punjab ,Rajastan falling to into sea Gujarat coast.

It's funny that pakistanis claims over IVC , aryan Vedic hindu religion , on top of that they are also inheritors of central Asian Moghuls and other Arab invaders.

They say there are more people who claim to be descendant of the Prophet in Pakistan than in whole of Arabia .:woot:
So now Rig Ved comes from the Ganga region lol heheheheeee as for your Saraswati, that myth has been exposed by a team of western scientists , the idea of a enormous river on par with Indus is a complete and utter myth, at best it was a small tributary of Indus,,,,,, your dogmatic obsession of calling everything Indian is amusing, I bet you think Porus was fighting for Tamil Nadu hehehehe, yours is a mind beyond reason, I give up!!!

Isn't it a common belief people in pakistan lived in an era of Jahalia before advent of Islam in that region when MBQ conquered Sindh ?

If pakistanis were inheritors of cradle of civilization why they had to convert to islam , religion of Arab Bedouins ?

PS : Bakhshali manuscript was written by Hindu Brhamin/Baniya mathematician .
Young fellow Islam is a universal religion besides it's sublime monotheism won over the locals who where already prone to monotheism due to Rig Veda, you can say it was a most natural transition.
@Sher Shah Awan @war&peace

@Suriya

Your most famous Bollywood actor is an Awan:

dilip-kumar-1-sized.jpg
May Almighty ALLAH (swt) give him good health.
 
Young fellow Islam is a universal religion besides it's sublime monotheism won over the locals who where already prone to monotheism due to Rig Veda, you can say it was a most natural transition.
@Sher Shah Awan @war&peace
Islam has the best and most clear monotheism...without any convoluted concept of trinity or pantheism and that's the main attraction of Islam for the people reverting at ever increasing rate despite all BS in the media and govt trying to distort it.
 
Islam has the best and most clear monotheism...without any convoluted concept of trinity or pantheism and that's the main attraction of Islam for the people reverting at ever increasing rate despite all BS in the media and govt trying to distort it.
The Islamic concept of God is truly like no other, just totally perfect and irrefutable. Non muslim folk should pay attention to this most beautiful aspect of Islam and not the misguided misinterpretations by charlatans in Syria and Iraq who are using Islam to further their own goals.Kudos bro
 
The Islamic concept of God is truly like no other, just totally perfect and irrefutable. Non muslim folk should pay attention to this most beautiful aspect of Islam and not the misguided misinterpretations by charlatans in Syria and Iraq who are using Islam to further their own goals.Kudos bro
Exactly...
It was necessary to launch such secret ops (e.g. ISIS and other terroristic organisations) so as to curtail the mind boggling reversion rate in the west.

Christianity has failed big time and hence fall out of favor of people in west due to its incompatibility with science and modern age. While Islam offers them with all the answers they have looking for. Sir, the thirst for searching the one supreme being is hardwired in all of us and even the so called atheists also know that but they opt for spiritual suicide. I have personally seen people breaking into tears and sobbing like a baby when they come to learn the concept of the God - Allah in Islam... I have no words to describe that atmosphere..it is like someone lost in childhood in some desolate and barren desert and then found her/his family all at once. And most shocking thing for the Islamphobic people is that the western women, who they have "emancipated", "feminised", and "materialised", are entering Islam en masse. Youtube is brim full with videos of reverts to Islam and that's not even the tip of iceberg since none of my friends who have reverted to Islam have posted any such video and their number is....I won't reveal here.
 
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Exactly...
It was necessary to launch such secret ops so as to curtail the mind boggling reversion rate in the west.

Christianity has failed big time and hence fall out of favor of people in west due to its incompatibility with science and modern age. While Islam offers them with all the answers they have looking for. Sir, the thirst for searching the one supreme being is hardwired in all of us and even the so called atheists also know that but they opt for spiritual suicide. I have personally seen people breaking into tears and sobbing like a baby when they come to learn the concept of the God - Allah in Islam... I have no words to describe that atmosphere..it is like someone lost in childhood in some desolate and barren desert and then found her/his family all at once. And most shocking thing for the Islamphobic people is that the western women, who they have "emancipated", "feminised", and "materialised", are entering Islam en masse. Youtube is brim full with videos of reverts to Islam and that's not even the tip of iceberg since none of my friends who have reverted to Islam have posted any such video and their number is....I won't reveal here.
The trinity concept was rejected even by hardcore Christian Sir Isaac Newton who was not very complementary of the idea to say the least, he was a staunch monotheist and yes western women in their droves are coming into islam, in this hectic materialistic world they are yearning for spiritual nourishment, what can better give them that than exploring the attributes and oneness of God in Islam.Kudos sir
 

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