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Seculars are running this country with utmost loyalty unlike you bearded munafiqs
We seculars are the biggest critic of the US
Zardaris (PPP),MQM, MariamSafdar, all other nationalist parties, Bajwa sb, Military & Civil Establishment, Judiciary & Media ; almost all are seculars. And you are saying they are loyal ! my foot.

These are the one who run to US at every available opportunity & you are saying they are biggest critic of US.


Are you in your senses? OR You are a western agent in disguise trying to win support for secularism with your disinformation (promote secularism) in Pak.


Note: JUI-F etc don't represent all Muslims or all bearded ones.
 
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The army is govt institution, not a state within a state. If they are above the state law.

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Let me ask you a simple question. IK fans keep saying that PMIK should decide the appointments. Now when India scrapped Autonomy in Kashmir why didn't PMIK order PA to take appropriate action against India? Why did he just do some useless darnas and let India off the hook?
 
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Let me ask you a simple question. IK fans keep saying that PMIK should decide the appointments. Now when India scrapped Autonomy in Kashmir why didn't PMIK order PA to take appropriate action against India? Why did he just do some useless darnas and let India off the hook?
Do you know why Kargil military operation was canceled during the Benazir era?
Second, read the Jalabad operation where the military forced the parliament to approve the operation and look at the result.
Our military, foreign reserve and foreign relations can not sustain a long war. At least Imran Khan raised the voice and strike back India...

Nawaz barred FO from speaking against India, says diplomat

Syed Irfan Raza Published March 16, 2020




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Former FO spokesperson Tasneem Aslam says the policy did not benefit the country. — AFP/File

Former FO spokesperson Tasneem Aslam says the policy did not benefit the country. — AFP/File
ISLAMABAD: Former spokesperson for the Foreign Office Tasneem Aslam claimed on Sunday that former prime minister Nawaz Sharif had barred the FO from commenting against India and its spy Kulbhushan Jadhav. The spy is presently in Pakistan’s custody.
“Nawaz Sharif did not want to say anything against India and Jadhav through the Foreign Office,” she claimed during an interview with a YouTube channel being run by an Islamabad-based journalist, Isa Naqvi.
Ms Aslam worked as Foreign Office spokesperson twice — first from 2005 to 2007 during the regime of Gen Pervez Musharraf and then during the last Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz government between 2013 and 2017.
Asked if Mr Sharif’s instruction benefited the country, she said: “It did not benefit the country but I do not know whether it benefited his [Nawaz’s] own interests or not.”
Ms Aslam said Mr Sharif had business interests in India and he did not meet leaders of India-held Kashmir’s political party Hurriyat Conferences when he visited India as the prime minister. “Usually, every prime minister of Pakistan meets Hurriyat leaders but Nawaz Sharif did not meet them when he visited India.”
Mr Sharif had visited India in 2014.
Ms Aslam said even in his speech at the United Nations summit Mr Sharif did not talk about India and Jadhav but on the Kashmir issue.

PML-N rejects remarks​

When contacted, PML-N information secretary Marriyum Aurangzeb said the comments by a retired FO official bore no resemblance to reality. “It is a false and biased expression of an individual’s views, based on her personal predilections.”
She said Mr Sharif had taken a very sincere initiative for the resolution of the Kashmir dispute when he in 1998 invited the then former Indian prime minister to Pakistan. It was that diplomatic initiative that led to the Lahore Accord that contained in it the roadmap for the resolution of the Kashmir issue, she added.
“Again, it was Mian Sahab who refused to accede to the entreaties of world powers while rejecting their economic offers and insisting on carrying out six nuclear tests not only to restore strategic parity with India, but to demonstrate the invincibility of Pakistan’s non conventional assets,” she said.
“The principled manner in which he dealt with the issue of Pakistan’s relations with its eastern neighbour is well documented.”
The PML-N spokeswoman said the former prime minister’s address to the UN General Assembly in 2016 contained the most forceful references ever to the issue of Kashmir and the most powerful condemnation of the atrocities and brutalities of the Indian occupation forces.
“Finally, it was Mian Sahab who was critical of the proposal made by a Pakistan’s military dictator to India to abandon the UN Security Council Resolutions that sanctify the righteousness of Pakistan’s stand on Kashmir,” the PML-N leader said.
“In the face of these established and well known facts, no credence need be attached to the frivolous and baseless comments of the retired official of the Foreign Office. The facts speak for themselves,” she added.
She said Mr Sharif had been in national politics for over three decades and during this period he had dozens of occasions to deal with Indian leaders. “Facts and reality are a matter of record,” she added.
Published in Dawn, March 16th, 2020
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And Zardai after the Bombay attack he got so panicked, he was ready to send ISI chief to India...

We all want free Kashmir, but Kashmiri needs to show some resistance.

This is not fan club, Pakistani politics is now wide open. All faces behind the curtains are appearing now ...
 
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How ironic a thekeydaar of religion like you who call every other clean shave Pakistani as a brown kaffir is now siding with traitors and N league patwaris.
Seculars are running this country with utmost loyalty unlike you bearded munafiqs who are eating this country like a termite. You are just playing in the hands of the US who changed the regime, a country responsible for murdering millions of Muslims. That's good Muslim you are.
We seculars are the biggest critic of the US and everyone who is anti national.

I was trying to convey the same message as to what most jhugatbaaz(rangeelay), educated seculers say when its a religious person or party making the same claim against state institutions. They are labeled worse and called name and ppl call for their blood!


I was being sarcastic , i have always maintained : militaries of muslims nation are there to make sure there never comes a religious party in power(top priority) or any party for the matter which has any kind of independent policy which they Deem against their lords aka westerns interests(examples algeriya,Egypt,Palestinian territory hamas).

Generals interest converge unfortunely with educated ,English medium seculer ruling class , whose sole purpose in life is to play agent of west for their ayyaashi and protection of their harems.(drank and booze , curruption etc )

For that Protection, seculers vilify mullahs /religious folks, only threat to their rule and this prolonges their regimes life (the same case with Ghani) and dollars keeps coming ,which keeps them happy and also their lords in west remain satisfied because they dont have to dirty their hand.

I have yet to see seculer who is all inclusive, real defination of being seculer ..Pakistani seculers are the most begairat breed which sell and vilify its populations values and religioun . a brown Sahib can only be selfhater, traitor ,agent,hypocrite, white worshiping clown and above all ,a jahil of highest order who is just talk and has never invented anything ..i hope mullah use the same language as their haters and make sure cleanshave abcd elite know their place ..mullahs have done enough mantra of Islam is peace, in face of opression of muslims all over the world . They are the leader and only they can and will get muslims world some relieve from the onslaught of kafirs.
 
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Do you know why Kargil military operation was canceled during the Benazir era?
Second, read the Jalabad operation where the military forced the parliament to approve the operation and look at the result.
Our military, foreign reserve and foreign relations can not sustain a long war. At least Imran Khan raised the voice and strike back India...

Nawaz barred FO from speaking against India, says diplomat

Syed Irfan Raza Published March 16, 2020




232
Former FO spokesperson Tasneem Aslam says the policy did not benefit the country. — AFP/File

Former FO spokesperson Tasneem Aslam says the policy did not benefit the country. — AFP/File
ISLAMABAD: Former spokesperson for the Foreign Office Tasneem Aslam claimed on Sunday that former prime minister Nawaz Sharif had barred the FO from commenting against India and its spy Kulbhushan Jadhav. The spy is presently in Pakistan’s custody.
“Nawaz Sharif did not want to say anything against India and Jadhav through the Foreign Office,” she claimed during an interview with a YouTube channel being run by an Islamabad-based journalist, Isa Naqvi.
Ms Aslam worked as Foreign Office spokesperson twice — first from 2005 to 2007 during the regime of Gen Pervez Musharraf and then during the last Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz government between 2013 and 2017.
Asked if Mr Sharif’s instruction benefited the country, she said: “It did not benefit the country but I do not know whether it benefited his [Nawaz’s] own interests or not.”
Ms Aslam said Mr Sharif had business interests in India and he did not meet leaders of India-held Kashmir’s political party Hurriyat Conferences when he visited India as the prime minister. “Usually, every prime minister of Pakistan meets Hurriyat leaders but Nawaz Sharif did not meet them when he visited India.”
Mr Sharif had visited India in 2014.
Ms Aslam said even in his speech at the United Nations summit Mr Sharif did not talk about India and Jadhav but on the Kashmir issue.

PML-N rejects remarks​

When contacted, PML-N information secretary Marriyum Aurangzeb said the comments by a retired FO official bore no resemblance to reality. “It is a false and biased expression of an individual’s views, based on her personal predilections.”
She said Mr Sharif had taken a very sincere initiative for the resolution of the Kashmir dispute when he in 1998 invited the then former Indian prime minister to Pakistan. It was that diplomatic initiative that led to the Lahore Accord that contained in it the roadmap for the resolution of the Kashmir issue, she added.
“Again, it was Mian Sahab who refused to accede to the entreaties of world powers while rejecting their economic offers and insisting on carrying out six nuclear tests not only to restore strategic parity with India, but to demonstrate the invincibility of Pakistan’s non conventional assets,” she said.
“The principled manner in which he dealt with the issue of Pakistan’s relations with its eastern neighbour is well documented.”
The PML-N spokeswoman said the former prime minister’s address to the UN General Assembly in 2016 contained the most forceful references ever to the issue of Kashmir and the most powerful condemnation of the atrocities and brutalities of the Indian occupation forces.
“Finally, it was Mian Sahab who was critical of the proposal made by a Pakistan’s military dictator to India to abandon the UN Security Council Resolutions that sanctify the righteousness of Pakistan’s stand on Kashmir,” the PML-N leader said.
“In the face of these established and well known facts, no credence need be attached to the frivolous and baseless comments of the retired official of the Foreign Office. The facts speak for themselves,” she added.
She said Mr Sharif had been in national politics for over three decades and during this period he had dozens of occasions to deal with Indian leaders. “Facts and reality are a matter of record,” she added.
Published in Dawn, March 16th, 2020
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And Zardai after the Bombay attack he got so panicked, he was ready to send ISI chief to India...

We all want free Kashmir, but Kashmiri needs to show some resistance.

How many days can Indian Army fight? What happens when both China and Pakistan fight?

Anyway, so IK thought that Pakistan cannot fight India and did not take any action. Did he care to check with PA on this?

If IK thought that we cannot fight India why was he picking fight with the US by naming and shaming them publicly for his loss of power? Was he convinced that PA can fight the US with the help of Russia and China?
 
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How many days can Indian Army fight? What happens when both China and Pakistan fight?

Anyway, so IK thought that Pakistan cannot fight India and did not take any action. Did he care to check with PA on this?

If IK thought that we cannot fight India why was he picking fight with the US by naming and shaming them publicly for his loss of power? Was he convinced that PA can fight the US with the help of Russia and China?
if you don t mind can you tell me your age, please?
 
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I see. So you have no answers. Just trying to deflect attention from the tough questions.
I can't give a lesson on the political history of Pakistan and military manipulation from the front and back doors. Google is a good source to search. And read my response you ll get the answer.
 
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Army is a government institution but not any government institution. They made and make more sacrifices than any other institution or individual in the country.
NCO's and Junior officers make sacrifices.
As it is said multiple times, no one against "Army" but "Chief of Establishment " who stoop down low and serve his personal interests, desires, and glory.
Unfortunately when a chief becomes a rotten tomato like bajra, it harms army, the country, and its people who are the biggest stake holder.
 
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Zardaris (PPP),MQM, MariamSafdar, all other nationalist parties, Bajwa sb, Military & Civil Establishment, Judiciary & Media ; almost all are seculars. And you are saying they are loyal ! my foot.

These are the one who run to US at every available opportunity & you are saying they are biggest critic of US.


Are you in your senses? OR You are a western agent in disguise trying to win support for secularism with your disinformation (promote secularism) in Pak.


Note: JUI-F etc don't represent all Muslims or all bearded ones.
All the parties you mentioned are not at all true secular. They are all in bed with the religious right wing people. They use each other to keep power in Pakistan.
They are neither true religious people not true secular. They are munafiqs in between. @Hussain93
You are just ignorant.
 
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I was trying to convey the same message as to what most jhugatbaaz(rangeelay), educated seculers say when its a religious person or party making the same claim against state institutions. They are labeled worse and called name and ppl call for their blood!


I was being sarcastic , i have always maintained : militaries of muslims nation are there to make sure there never comes a religious party in power(top priority) or any party for the matter which has any kind of independent policy which they Deem against their lords aka westerns interests(examples algeriya,Egypt,Palestinian territory hamas).

Generals interest converge unfortunely with educated ,English medium seculer ruling class , whose sole purpose in life is to play agent of west for their ayyaashi and protection of their harems.(drank and booze , curruption etc )

For that Protection, seculers vilify mullahs /religious folks, only threat to their rule and this prolonges their regimes life (the same case with Ghani) and dollars keeps coming ,which keeps them happy and also their lords in west remain satisfied because they dont have to dirty their hand.

I have yet to see seculer who is all inclusive, real defination of being seculer ..Pakistani seculers are the most begairat breed which sell and vilify its populations values and religioun . a brown Sahib can only be selfhater, traitor ,agent,hypocrite, white worshiping clown and above all ,a jahil of highest order who is just talk and has never invented anything ..i hope mullah use the same language as their haters and make sure cleanshave abcd elite know their place ..mullahs have done enough mantra of Islam is peace, in face of opression of muslims all over the world . They are the leader and only they can and will get muslims world some relieve from the onslaught of kafirs.
And those are exactly the allegations you mullahs need to keep your presence in politics or to show you are superior than everyone else.
Parties, booze etc are not the only reason why a clash exist between right and left wing elements in our society.
Other than talking big on loudspeaker what's your real contribution in society? Something beneficial for the country or the special education talent you possess? Or something you did for the country in it's 72 year history?
Heck you didn't even implent or practice Islam properly. Most mullahs in big political circles of Pakistan are just using the religion for personal gains.
These are the reasons why a class between seculars and mullahs exist.
What you mullahs have invented recently in pakistan?
 
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