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Baitullah orders militants to stop attacks in Fata, NWFP

so sir what do u suggest?

should we fight american war and sacrifice our pakistani brothers both army and wazeer

action then reaction then reaction to reaction= week pakistan

give political process a chance

its not bravery nor intelligent thing to kill own ppl:cheers:

I totally agree with you my friend. It is time Pakistan starts making her own decisions.:sniper:
 
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it's good this has happened but we should arrest or kill him anyway for all those suicide bombings once the head is cut off the rest will fall.
Take him out but then still keep to the rest of the peace deal but still keep military presence there to show them government will be keeping it's writ and keep any troublemaker in check but do no military operations as long as they keep the peace.
 
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So you are suggesting that Mehsud is your brother just because he is a muslim and that makes him pardon of all the crimes that he has committed against the state and what about the thousands of innocent pakistani lives being lost in his proxywar against the state? Who needs enemy when we have pakistanies themselve to do it.:tsk: damn man!
We need to wakeup and get out of this muslim ummah **** because there is no such thing as a muslim ummah, it has been long lost and pakistanies need to make the correct decision differentiating between the right and the wrong, judging the person by his acts and not by his faith. This brother thing will destroy us all if we continued to go for the wrong approach.:hitwall:

Dear IC,

Well said.

Regards
 
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Who on earth said this loser can ever even hope to represent our religion? He is a faithless traitor, a self seeking fool convinced of his own lies and superiority. Islam or no Islam, these tribes would have reacted violently anyway, because it is their pride and not their faith that controls them. Every one knows that with these people what cant be done with force can be done with bribes, etc. What kind of religion is this? Not my religion and surly not the religion the ideals of which our country was made.
Islam destroyed the concept of tribes completely, as anyone who studied history would know. And any real muslim would also know Islam gives the authority to declare martial jihad only to the goverment/establishment; not to any idiot who feels like it, because Islam is completely against chaos. Furthermore Islam demands you respect the treaties and agreements you made, even if it is made with enemies who have spilt the blood of muslims. And lastly there is no Jihad in Afghanistan as most of the Afghans want the western forces to stay with them. These people have ruined Islam and are now trying to ruin our country as well, so it is now our place to make sure they are stopped through whatever means Allah gave us.
 
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Pakistan Taliban chief halts talks over troops issue: spokesman

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KHAR, Pakistan (AFP) — A Pakistani Taliban commander halted peace talks with the government over its refusal to pull troops from a troubled tribal area, but a ceasefire remains intact, his spokesman said Monday.

Warlord Baitullah Mehsud, accused by the last government of orchestrating the assassination of former premier Benazir Bhutto, made the decision after meeting tribal elders acting as mediators.

"The government refused to pull out its forces from the tribal areas which forced Mehsud to call off the talks," Maulvi Omar, the spokesman for Pakistan Tehreek-e-Taliban (Taliban Movement), told AFP.

Mehsud declared a unilateral truce last week with security forces in the lawless tribal regions bordering Afghanistan, after officials said the government had drafted a peace agreement with Islamic militants.

The deal included the withdrawal of government soldiers from some border areas, as well as the exchange of captives on both sides and a pledge not to launch attacks.

"Taliban remain firm in the ceasefire but Mehsud warned that if the government launched any action his fighters would retaliate," Omar said.

Omar also quoted the rebel commander as telling tribal elders on Monday that there were "elements who do not want peace in this country," adding that the negotiating team were "disappointed."

Pakistan's new government defeated the backers of President Pervez Musharraf in elections in February and has pledged to completely overhaul the key US ally's pursuit of the "war on terror".

The peace talks were aimed at making permanent a five-week lull in a wave of suicide attacks that has killed more than 1,000 people in Pakistan since the start of 2007.
 
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It will be a huge mistake pulling out the army from that area. We need to establish control over these areas and the law of pakistan should be applied to all. Mehsud is nothing more then a selfish, self centric bastard, he doesnt care about religion, he sure doesnt give a damn about pakistan and its people, all he wants is a control over an area where he could run his activites unchecked. He has done enough harm and needs to be taken out immediately.
 
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Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama offer the same beguiling Democratic version of the global war on terrorism: Get out of Iraq and put more U.S. forces into Afghanistan to win that conflict decisively. Republicans are also increasingly urging President Bush to adopt an Afghanistan-first policy.

"The basic failure in priorities" in Bush's war on terrorism lies "in the fact that our monthly investment in Iraq is $10 billion a month and $2 billion a month in Afghanistan," writes David Abshire, a GOP elder statesman, in "A Call to Greatness," a new book intended to set the agenda for the next presidency. When a Republican White House loses a seasoned foreign policy thinker such as Abshire on a key issue, it has big problems.

So does the solution that is being pushed. A major shift in resources into Afghanistan may not significantly help in that battle in the near term. Decisions on drawing down forces in Iraq should be based on conditions there -- as Gen. David Petraeus argued to Congress this month -- and not on campaign-fostered illusions that troop numbers and money alone can turn the tide against terrorists in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

Bush's decision last week to put Petraeus in charge of the Pentagon's Central Command and thus of the wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan will intensify this Iraq vs. Afghanistan argument on Capitol Hill. Critics see the Petraeus promotion as a Bush ploy to keep Iraq the "central front" in the war on terrorism and to continue to shirk the war in Afghanistan .

That sells Petraeus short and ignores the reality that the war in Afghanistan will not be won or lost in Afghanistan alone. It must also be won inside Pakistan, where things go from bad to worse for U.S. policy, which has been a set of forlorn wishes that seem to boomerang.

President Pervez Musharraf, after a breathtaking exercise in compulsively and systematically destroying his own rule, sits by silently while a civilian-led, democratically elected government takes charge in Islamabad and narrows U.S. options.

The new regime is cutting back even on Musharraf's already feeble efforts to curb the movements of al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other Islamic extremist forces that operate in Afghanistan from sanctuaries in the remote tribal frontier regions of Pakistan known as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA).

Officials in Islamabad hint that flights over FATA by U.S. unmanned aerial vehicles based in Afghanistan may soon be forbidden. These Predator missions gather intelligence and strike enemy targets with precision. Their loss would be a major setback for the United States.

Equally alarming are reports that the government is shelving counterinsurgency efforts in the tribal areas in favor of dealing with Islamic militancy "through dialogue and development." Last week, this shift produced a new truce with Taliban forces in FATA and the announced release of Sufi Mohammad, the founder of an outlawed jihadist movement that fights in Afghanistan.

During his Washington visit, Petraeus struck me as grimly realistic about the trade-offs involved in pursuing the two-front war he soon will command. The need for more troops on the Afghan front is clear. The opportunity to use them for decisive victory is clouded. It is unlikely to exist as long as Pakistan offers sanctuary to al-Qaeda and its allies. Pakistan's political evolution is in fact a more important immediate factor than shifting U.S. resources from Iraq.

Obama asserted last summer that as president he would strike at terrorists in Pakistan if the Pakistani government would not act on intelligence he considered sound. Increasingly it looks as though, if elected, he will get the chance to do just that -- but he would then be acting against a duly elected civilian government, not the unpopular Musharraf.

The promotion of Petraeus is also a strong vote of confidence by Defense Secretary Robert Gates in the view that U.S. forces must urgently fight and win the counterinsurgency wars of the Middle East and Central Asia rather than concentrate resources on future conventional wars. A set of remarkably candid speeches by Gates on the internal struggle at the Pentagon on that issue have clearly put him in the Petraeus "fight-win" camp. They suggest that I understated Gates's commitment when I wrote about the differences within the Pentagon two weeks ago.

Pakistan, with its two dozen nuclear weapons, popular and official support for Kashmiri and Taliban terrorism, and political instability, is ultimately a greater threat to world peace than Afghanistan and Iraq combined. That is the unavoidable reality that campaign promises should not obscure.

jimhoagland@washpost.com

© 2008 The Washington Post Company

enemy of enemy can be friend for some time
what americans and indians are planning for us ...well we all know


we created menace of terrorism on direction of these capitalist americans to fight their jehad against soviats
its time ,instead of killing own ppl ask them not to give protection to forigners

remember they are ours and americans are out siders

give politics a chance:toast_sign:
 
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Who cares about Baitullah and what he orders.

He is a damned terrorist and should be dealt with like one!
 
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Not really.

Musharraf was succeeding.

The democratic govt is waning!!
 
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Not really.

Musharraf was succeeding.

The democratic govt is waning!!

Musharraf was succeeding as much as Ayub Khan was against the Faqeer of Ippi. Long term you have to talk with these guys otherwise this will become a generational conflict. As much as I support Musharraf, on this count, I am with the new government's approach. The option to use force is always there with the government.
 
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LATEST NEWS SAYS THAT SOME FORCES ARE WORKING TO FAIL NEGOCIATIONS BETWEEN PAKISTAN AND TRIBALS

I SAY DONT MAKE UR OWN BROTHERS UR ENEMIES
DISCOURAGE THOSE FORCES WHO WANT OUR SONS TO DIE IN USE LESS CONFLICTS FOR THEIR INTRESTS
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Musharraf was succeeding as much as Ayub Khan was against the Faqeer of Ippi. Long term you have to talk with these guys otherwise this will become a generational conflict. As much as I support Musharraf, on this count, I am with the new government's approach. The option to use force is always there with the government.

Well said. The ground realties are much different then we think they are. Unfortunately we must negotiate with these people.
 
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But ONLY from a position of strength I say and with cold hard calculated minds...this is no time to be emotional and 'brotherly' given past experinces.
 
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