Bahrain Airshow 2016 : Light Combat Aircraft Tejas in action

[kaykay]

I don't know from where people are coming up with bs, clearly Tejas has a better, faster vertical climb.

Shorter take off too( took only 12-13 seconds to be in air).

I don't know from where people are coming up with bs, clearly Tejas has a better, faster vertical climb.

Not only that, It has shorter takeoff too( took only 12-13 seconds to be completely in air).

 

[manojb]

https://twitter.com/x/status/690267739269763073

Credit must be given where it's due! warnes must have asked many interesting questions, but he tweets obvious one. Why i wonder?

Hey, if I am served my lunch tandoori roti and chicken tika masala in VIP air plane i would pay back with sweet 160 ..

 

[Hulk]

Seems like he's putting words in the mouths of the officer, filling in "they" for (PAF) when the PAF weren't the designers of the plane so clearly if such a comment was to be made it would be at the people in Chengdu?

Anyway, I find it hard to believe an IAF officer would say that (not that there would be many IAF offcials there willing to make such weird statements) as what exactly has the JF-17 achevied in such a short span of time? Create a single variant of a rather mediocre design using rather backwards technologies? In the same period the ADA/HAL have created 4 different variants of the LCA- single seat AF, twin seat AF, single seat Navy, twin seat Navy, written the enitire set of flight control laws in house for the quadruplex FBW, intergrated contemporary systems like HMDS, IFR etc etc- none of which the JF-17 program can boast of.

Come back to me when the Thunder is doing this:

Even on the production front, the JF-17/PAC aren't exactly setting the world on fire- 4-5 years down the line and averaging 7-8 a/c a year? Within 2 years HAL's LCA production rate will be 16/year. For HAL, the MKI's production rate is 19-20/year (a comparable product vis a vis Pakistan and ToT).

I see little to be impressed by from an IAF perspective.




@PARIKRAMA @Vauban @MilSpec @bloo @Water Car Engineer @SpArK

Ignore them, they shamelessly call JF17 as their product, fully knowing their contribution is minimal to nothing.

 

[MastanKhan]

Just pointing out that success or failure is not determinated when something is delivered,
but rather how it behaves once delivered.
So even if something is delivered after 30 years of development,
it does not matter if it is good enough.
If India had lost a war because it was late, then there is an argument.

Whether the Tejas is good enough remains to be seen.

Hi,

Okay---if that is what you say---but that is another 'interesting' post.

 

[Wolf]

Ignore them, they shamelessly call JF17 as their product, fully knowing their contribution is minimal to nothing.

that topic was discussed earlier, shameless ? u will know what is shameless if u look at the components of ur tejas and how many of them are home grown. Dont compare urself with JF 17. We already have 70 odd planes serving and u very well now how many tejas are serving in iaf. We are going towards Block 3 ur block 1 is yet to make its mark. Rather than competing u resorted to arm twisting of sri lankans to cancel JF 17 deal. This is called shameless.

 

[Aquib]

where is our JF17?

 

[Bratva]

Seems like he's putting words in the mouths of the officer, filling in "they" for (PAF) when the PAF weren't the designers of the plane so clearly if such a comment was to be made it would be at the people in Chengdu?

Anyway, I find it hard to believe an IAF officer would say that (not that there would be many IAF offcials there willing to make such weird statements) as what exactly has the JF-17 achevied in such a short span of time? Create a single variant of a rather mediocre design using rather backwards technologies? In the same period the ADA/HAL have created 4 different variants of the LCA- single seat AF, twin seat AF, single seat Navy, twin seat Navy, written the enitire set of flight control laws in house for the quadruplex FBW, intergrated contemporary systems like HMDS, IFR etc etc- none of which the JF-17 program can boast of.

Come back to me when the Thunder is doing this:

Even on the production front, the JF-17/PAC aren't exactly setting the world on fire- 4-5 years down the line and averaging 7-8 a/c a year? Within 2 years HAL's LCA production rate will be 16/year. For HAL, the MKI's production rate is 19-20/year (a comparable product vis a vis Pakistan and ToT).

I see little to be impressed by from an IAF perspective.




@PARIKRAMA @Vauban @MilSpec @bloo @Water Car Engineer @SpArK

Ah back to acting as ignorant, 12 year petulant child who likes to throw tantrum just to satisfy his whims.

1. Did you miss the videos where PAF officials sitting beside CAC designing teams in china during initial years of JF-17 development program ?


2. How come JF-17 has become a mediocre design. Based on what? And what backward technologies ? You know this the nth time we are doing this debate. You think you can get away with this claims without you being challenged by anyone. And all those ignorants thanking you should be ashamed of not pointing out obvious mistakes in your post

2.5 THis has been explained nth time that production line slowed due to funding crunch PAF face. Nothing to do with production or manufacturing capability of Pakistan . But hey An ignorant will remain ignorant.


3. Why should PAF develop a carrier variant of JF-17. Are we daft and morons like certain people who is demanding a naval variant when we dont have any carrier to fly it on ?

4. HMDS depends upon availability of HOBS Missile which Pakistan doesnt have. So morons and idiots should integrate and waste money on HMDS while there is no HOBS missile to integrate with ? Doesnt it sound like your development cycle .

Oh for the haters who claim JF-17 without IFR probe

5.Tell me Does LCA has integrated any BVR yet ? Any antiship missiles to go with Naval variant yet? Any Anti Radiation missiles for SEAD/DEAD missions ? Any Multiple ejector racks to boast ? Does LCA has been inducted into TACDE yet ?

6. Last I heard you were trying to increase the radar range from 40 to 80-90 KM. First do such all these weapons integration,increasing mission profile of LCA, and maturing avionics then come back and ask if JF-17 has nothing to boast about

Ignore them, they shamelessly call JF17 as their product, fully knowing their contribution is minimal to nothing.

Can you proof there is minimal to nothing Pakistani contribution of Pakistan in JF-17 design ? while on the other hand there are research paper from Pakistani researchers on JF-17 DSI. proving a glimpse of Pakistani contribution right from the design stage.

Even Indian LCA FCS hardware were designed with the help of British Initially. Harping about How LCA entire FCS laws were exclusively written by India but forgetting to mention this contribution


BAE Digital Flight Control Computer Equipment for Indian LCA
(Source : BAE Systems; issued Nov. 4, 2002)



JOHNSON CITY, N.Y. ---BAE Systems will supply digital flight control computer equipment for the integrated flight control system on India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). The contract was awarded by India's Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE).

BAE Systems Controls, which performed development work on the aircraft's flight control system during the 1990s, will supply six sets of actuators and sensors, each consisting of 28 line-replaceable units. The company also has been contracted to complete qualification testing on actuator hardware being flown on two LCA development aircraft. The work is valued at about $20 million.


BAE Digital Flight Control Computer Equipment for Indian LCA


BAE Systems resumes work on India's LCA

• 12 NOVEMBER, 2002

BAE Systems is to resume delivery of flight control components for the Indian Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), halted in May 1998 by the US embargo imposed after India's nuclear tests. The company's US arm has received a $20 million contract to supply six shipsets of sensors and actuators for "four or five" production-representative LCAs planned by India's Aero-nautical Development Establishment (ADE).

BAE Systems Controls (formerly part of Lockheed Martin) was jointly developing the fly-by-wire flight-control system with ADE when the embargo was imposed. The Indians completed development of the digital flight control computer. "They did an awful lot of work themselves," says BAE's LCA programme manager John McGrath.

ADE has flown two LCA technology demonstrators using sensors and actuators supplied before the embargo. Deliveries of the air-data and inertial sensors will resume in mid-2003, while actuator shipments will restart late in the year or early in 2004, says McGrath. Under the new contract, subcontractor Moog will complete environmental qualification testing on the actuators, which was interrupted when the embargo took effect.

McGrath expects India eventually to order additional sensors and actuators for the LCA production phase, while continuing to build the computer locally. The agreement with ADE provides for licence manufacture of the equipment in India, but there have been no talks yet on production, he says.

BAE Systems resumes work on India's LCA

 

[SUDIP]

1. Did you miss the videos where PAF officials sitting beside CAC designing teams in china during initial years of JF-17 development program ?


Can you proof there is minimal to nothing Pakistani contribution of Pakistan in JF-17 design ? while on the other hand there are research paper from Pakistani researchers on JF-17 DSI. proving a glimpse of Pakistani contribution right from the design stage.

Dude!! R u really serious. Guys now its news to me "Contribution and achievements in aerospace science can be made merely by sitting behind your professor chair and by publishing papers"
Bro in india even 2nd yr Eng student frm a pvt college is publishing IEEE papers on thier respective fields. If this is ur approach to ur aero sector than
"GOD BLESS PAKISTAN". I know pakistan is a heaven for multi billion dolar fake degree certificate industry but i dont want to reassure myself again over here.

And

5.Tell me Does LCA has integrated any BVR yet ? Any antiship missiles to go with Naval variant yet? Any Anti Radiation missiles for SEAD/DEAD missions ? Any Multiple ejector racks to boast ? Does LCA has been inducted into TACDE yet

Tejas going to fire Derby, after coming from Bahrain , Anti radiation and anti ship like kh-31 will be a follow on and the TEJAS sp1 has already been handed over to IAF TACDE.

Why u r wasting ur time by comparing an imported metal box to an indigenous AC.

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

Bajate Rahooooooo!!!!!! jalegi bohat jalegi!! phekuon ki jalegi!!

 

[Hulk]

Ah back to acting as ignorant, 12 year petulant child who likes to throw tantrum just to satisfy his whims.

1. Did you miss the videos where PAF officials sitting beside CAC designing teams in china during initial years of JF-17 development program ?


2. How come JF-17 has become a mediocre design. Based on what? And what backward technologies ? You know this the nth time we are doing this debate. You think you can get away with this claims without you being challenged by anyone. And all those ignorants thanking you should be ashamed of not pointing out obvious mistakes in your post

2.5 THis has been explained nth time that production line slowed due to funding crunch PAF face. Nothing to do with production or manufacturing capability of Pakistan . But hey An ignorant will remain ignorant.


3. Why should PAF develop a carrier variant of JF-17. Are we daft and morons like certain people who is demanding a naval variant when we dont have any carrier to fly it on ?

4. HMDS depends upon availability of HOBS Missile which Pakistan doesnt have. So morons and idiots should integrate and waste money on HMDS while there is no HOBS missile to integrate with ? Doesnt it sound like your development cycle .

Oh for the haters who claim JF-17 without IFR probe

5.Tell me Does LCA has integrated any BVR yet ? Any antiship missiles to go with Naval variant yet? Any Anti Radiation missiles for SEAD/DEAD missions ? Any Multiple ejector racks to boast ? Does LCA has been inducted into TACDE yet ?

6. Last I heard you were trying to increase the radar range from 40 to 80-90 KM. First do such all these weapons integration,increasing mission profile of LCA, and maturing avionics then come back and ask if JF-17 has nothing to boast about



Can you proof there is minimal to nothing Pakistani contribution of Pakistan in JF-17 design ? while on the other hand there are research paper from Pakistani researchers on JF-17 DSI. proving a glimpse of Pakistani contribution right from the design stage.

Even Indian LCA FCS hardware were designed with the help of British Initially. Harping about How LCA entire FCS laws were exclusively written by India but forgetting to mention this contribution


BAE Digital Flight Control Computer Equipment for Indian LCA
(Source : BAE Systems; issued Nov. 4, 2002)



JOHNSON CITY, N.Y. ---BAE Systems will supply digital flight control computer equipment for the integrated flight control system on India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). The contract was awarded by India's Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE).

BAE Systems Controls, which performed development work on the aircraft's flight control system during the 1990s, will supply six sets of actuators and sensors, each consisting of 28 line-replaceable units. The company also has been contracted to complete qualification testing on actuator hardware being flown on two LCA development aircraft. The work is valued at about $20 million.


BAE Digital Flight Control Computer Equipment for Indian LCA


BAE Systems resumes work on India's LCA

• 12 NOVEMBER, 2002

BAE Systems is to resume delivery of flight control components for the Indian Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), halted in May 1998 by the US embargo imposed after India's nuclear tests. The company's US arm has received a $20 million contract to supply six shipsets of sensors and actuators for "four or five" production-representative LCAs planned by India's Aero-nautical Development Establishment (ADE).

BAE Systems Controls (formerly part of Lockheed Martin) was jointly developing the fly-by-wire flight-control system with ADE when the embargo was imposed. The Indians completed development of the digital flight control computer. "They did an awful lot of work themselves," says BAE's LCA programme manager John McGrath.

ADE has flown two LCA technology demonstrators using sensors and actuators supplied before the embargo. Deliveries of the air-data and inertial sensors will resume in mid-2003, while actuator shipments will restart late in the year or early in 2004, says McGrath. Under the new contract, subcontractor Moog will complete environmental qualification testing on the actuators, which was interrupted when the embargo took effect.

McGrath expects India eventually to order additional sensors and actuators for the LCA production phase, while continuing to build the computer locally. The agreement with ADE provides for licence manufacture of the equipment in India, but there have been no talks yet on production, he says.

BAE Systems resumes work on India's LCA

Plane bana ke udaya China ne. uad Jane ke bad do char Ched idhar udhar kiye honge. Radar nahi banaya , weapon integration nah.

 

[rockstarIN]

Any video of Friday performance of LCA

 

[PakShaheen79]

Dude!! R u really serious. Guys now its news to me "Contribution and achievements in aerospace science can be made merely by sitting behind your professor chair and by publishing papers"
Bro in india even 2nd yr Eng student frm a pvt college is publishing IEEE papers on thier respective fields. If this is ur approach to ur aero sector than
"GOD BLESS PAKISTAN". I know pakistan is a heaven for multi billion dolar fake degree certificate industry but i dont want to reassure myself again over here.

And

Tejas going to fire Derby, after coming from Bahrain , Anti radiation and anti ship like kh-31 will be a follow on and the TEJAS sp1 has already been handed over to IAF TACDE.

Why u r wasting ur time by comparing an imported metal box to an indigenous AC.

US Engine
Israeli Radar
Russian, Israeli weapons
British Input in FCS
...
...

WoW! Dude certainly, you have a very indigenous definition of the word "Indigenous".

 

[samlove]

 

[kalibr]

2nd day performance
frm 1:07:00

 

[holysaturn]

2nd day performance
frm 1:07:00

A clearer video, thanks.