Baghdad owes Iran USD 1.1 trillion as reparations of war: Iranian MP

[Saif al-Arab]

Way off topic and using capital letters.

The guys name (Bahram), his birthplace (Genaveh) and research by respected sources such as Iranica proyve his ancestor of Qarmatian "kings" were Iranian (persian). The claims are denounced by researchers and were added later to the biography of safavids when they grabbed power. Before that their ancestry didnt go back further than Kurd. Kurds are Iranian ethnic group, whatever and whoever they mixed with, just like as arabs are considered arab, even if they mixed with some foreigners. "Some azeri user" is not a credible source for me. And whatever they spoke (even if they spoke mongolian) they were Iranic dynasty.

Yes safavids like wine drinker Shah Ismail used shia-arabparasti to build up his empire against sunni ottomans.

I do not care much about this Arabized individual who most likely did not even speak Persian. Bushehr is just across KSA. Many Arabs and Semites inhabited those regions of Iran long before Persians emerged in history books 2700 years ago. To this day Southern and Western Iran have not negligible ties with Iraq and Eastern Arabia.

You think that an Arabized (later fully Arab) dynasty based in Eastern Arabia that supposedly did some harm in Makkah 1100 years ago will make me angry? Meanwhile 1000's of fire temples in Iran are long gone and elsewhere. No sign, traces or historical records of it even. Meanwhile all the main historical monuments in the Arab world from the Pyramids to Babylon to Petra in Jordan, Mada'in Saleh in KSA, Palmyra in Syria, Great Marib Dam in Yemen and 100's of heritage sites in Yemen and the Arab world as a whole (in fact make that 10.000's of heritage sites) were left untouched.

Same in Iran.

I don't care much about Safavids who might have united and created modern-day Iran but who at the same time had ties to Arabs (claimed Arab ancestry to and intermarried with Arabs) while needing Arabs to change Iranian society for good.

They did not rule any Arab lands aside from parts of modern-day Iraq where they indeed did great harm (massacres). Hence Safavids being an insult in Iraq and much of the Arab neighborhood. Since you speak so much about ISIS, Safavids were actually ISIS on steroids just with an artistic touch.

Your anti-Sunnism is just a result of ignorance. Iranian relevance in the Islamic era came when most Iranians adopted Islam (peacefully) under the hands of Arabs. Sunni Shafi's more precisely. Imam Shafi'i himself was a Hashemite and Iranians always were fund of Hashemites due to many settlements in Iran historically even prior to the Safavids.

Everyone is mixed yes. Never claimed otherwise. However Iranians are much more influenced (genetically) by Semites/Arabs than vice versa. Even forget modern-day ethnic groups. Most Iranians have Neolithic DNA and Neolithic people originated in the Arab Near East (Southern Levant).

Read about the Natufian culture from almost 15.000 years ago that invented farming and created the first real settlements (advanced for the time) and much more.

Skeletons were analyzed 2 years ago and modern-day Arabs (Saudi Arabians in particular along with Jordanians, Egyptians, Palestinians) were proven to cluster must with those mummies. Even more than half of the European DNA pool originates from Neolithic people in the Near East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture



Read about the DNA results from the Natufian mummies.

I know quite a lot about DNA and human history and history as a whole which should not come as a surprise for most users here on PDF.

Who said Safavids were not an Iranian dynasty? Qarmatians were an Arab dynasty too since they were completely Arabized and aside from the founder and his son (that ruled short) most rulers were ethnic Arabs. Centered around Eastern Arabia.

Strange that you seem obsessed about this Arab dynasty due to some supposed incident in Makkah involving them. But we can say that they were Persian, lol. Don't care as they are 1 out of 1000's of dynasties literally.

Good, you admitted it.

Can you know thank the Iranian Arabs for being the first bastion in the defense of your country.

And admit that despite living in the richest area of Iran (in terms of resources) and the most historical (Ahwaz/Khuzestan mainly) their livelihoods are nowhere near to the people of the GCC of Iranian origins or even the Iranian expat communities in mostly UAE but not only in the GCC.

Thank you in advance.

It does not matter which direction iraq goes. We've already experienced Iraq in its most extreme form (1980-1988), when it served as a gcc proxy against Iran. We'll wait and see how Iraq works with USA in following the sanctions against Iran. I believe if it makes wrong choices against it neighbour, in near future there will be another ISIS and then Iran will not deliver any assistance. Then maybe gcc which tries to defeat some hungry houthi farmers will assist you and that only if they suddenly fall in love with preventing the knife reaching shia necks.

GCC proxy, lol. As if Iraq (foremost military power) was a proxy of regional countries. Once again I do not know where you have been taught history. Some "made in Iran" propaganda school, looks like that, which is strange as you live in the Netherlands.

Houthis are the most heavily armed terrorist group in the world and are 10 times more numerous than ISIS and have military equipment and many Yemeni soldiers and army officers fighting for them.

Farmers are the Kurdish groups like PJAK that kill Iranian border guards that are only armed with AK47's. Or even even poorer Baloch militants.

A joke to compare.

BTW ISIS will never succeed in Iraq again.

The Safavids did no such thing lol, Iran would be exactly the same as it is today without the Safavids, the only major difference would be that Iran would not be Shia. It was the Qajar dynasty that made Iran what it is today.

Obviously I'm going to tell history from an Islamic point of view, I'm a Muslim.

Right, pathetic Kisra got overthrown by his own son. How sad.

Excuses excuses! Iran was still conquered and irreversibly changed.

Whatever, the Qarmatians still got curb-stomped by the Khilafah, and that's nothing compared to what happened to Iran during Islamic invasions.

Lmao we don't get "food aid" from the US or any kind of aid anymore, and when we did get aid it was simply because we earned it for letting them use our supply lines (but in my opinion we should have just told the Yanks to jog on).

I never said they weren't a minority or a majority, I just said they exist, and they do:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859343/

"It is interesting that the sub-Saharan African- and Arabian-specific L0a2a2 and R01 lineages were found only in Dawoodi Bohras (TN and GUJ), whereas these lineages were generally absent in Indian non-Muslims, although a related L0a2a2 lineage has been detected previously among the Sindhi population of Pakistan"

I think it would be fair to say that southern Pakistanis would have minute amounts of Arab ancestry, as proven by the map given earlier showing that southern Pakistanis have African lineages in them (this is present among virtually all Arabs), and because southern Pakistan is pretty close to Arabia.

I agree, the ancestry we have from the Islamic conquerors comes primarily from Turks/Persians.

Comparing apples and oranges indeed. A laughable comparison, lol, that he thins will bother us or provoke us.

African admixture (mostly Horner which themselves are 50% Caucasian on average, Habesha even more) in Arabs mostly relate to Afro-Arabs. Exceptions are modern-day Egyptians and some Maghrebis (Moroccans) and Yemenis but those admixtures are overall very small. We are talking about a few percent. African admixture is found in modern-day Iranians as well in slightly lower percentages but on the other hand they have much more Mongol/Turkic DNA.

Southern Pakistan (Sindh) and Balochistan no doubt have much genetic affinity to the Arab world since most of the Pakistani DNA makeup of Baloch and Pashtuns is Neolithic and the first Neolithic people emerged in the Arab Near East (Southern Levant).

Baloch also claim origins in Syria (legend) which I find as a funny occurrence.

BTW most Europeans are Neolithic in origin.N orthern Europeans being the exception.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

It does not matter which direction iraq goes. We've already experienced Iraq in its most extreme form (1980-1988), when it served as a gcc proxy against Iran. We'll wait and see how Iraq works with USA in following the sanctions against Iran. I believe if it makes wrong choices against it neighbour, in near future there will be another ISIS and then Iran will not deliver any assistance. Then maybe gcc which tries to defeat some hungry houthi farmers will assist you and that only if they suddenly fall in love with preventing the knife reaching shia necks.

Since when does a country of 40 million with such wealth and a previous military that was one of the most capable in the region have to rely on Iran for such defenses. Neither did they rely on Iran or receive significant aid from Iran. The military support came largely from the US-led coalition.

You uphold a false image as if you're the guardian, you're not, we don't need it either. Am I talking to a Persian empire advocate who is fiercely defending an Islamic republic of Iran regime, now i've seen it all. Besides I know an Iranian woman who hates the IRI yet is a nationalist, she supports the sanctions as she wants the regime to crumble. If you want to rule Iraq invade it and annex it, if not quit complaining already about repairs and all that shit.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Since when does a country of 40 million with such wealth and a previous military that was one of the most capable in the region have to rely on Iran for such defenses.

Ok. Just wait and see.

 

[SALMAN F]

lol

That's Kuwaiti behavior

Won't ever happen.

Using that logic Iraq and many Arab countries can sue the Iran (Iranian Mullah regime) for similar sums of money for the destruction that they have either directly or indirectly contributed to.

Iraq too can demand reparations due to the war and prior meddling under the Shah.

Never going to happen.



At least Kuwait had a much greater reason (the oil issue but other than that nothing aside from actual support for Iraq (great economic aid) which was (foolishly) answered by a senseless invasion of Kuwait which destroyed much (environment, infrastructure in particular and oil that was wasted).

Iran here is nowhere near Kuwait in terms of being "innocent". Rather the opposite.

I suggest Iraq to sue the Iranian Mullah's for prolonging the war with 6 years from 1982 onwards.

I also want to sue the Iranian Mullah's for neglecting the Iranian Arabs and their homelands which are the wealthiest in all of Iran and those with the greatest history (Elamite) and closely related regions to the Arab world (Iraq and Eastern Arabia).

For increasing cancer rates, lack of water, dirtiest air in the world (pollution) etc.

Maybe Iranians should also demand millions in reparations from the Iranian Mullah's for destroying 40 years of their lives.

Apparently Tehran is one of the most polluted cities (increased cancer rates as well due to this) in the world and running out of water. A huge environmental crisis waiting to explode.

Sanctioned state, pariah state, currency worth less than toilet paper (I could afford using Iranian currency as my toilet paper for the rest of my life although I always use toilet paper AND water afterwards for those interested ) and a 80 million big nation with great oil and gas resources yet an economy similar to 10 million UAE.

But hey, let us obsess about KSA instead and long dead Hijazi Arabs from modern-day KSA and who was right or wrong 1400 years ago.

Exactly we won't give them sh!t

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Ok. Just wait and see.

In the 90's when Iraq was hit with the heaviest UN sanctions, Iran used the opportunity to bomb Iraq with its air force throughout the 90's. No help came whilst hundreds of thousands died from the lack of medicine, and you're here angry about something minor.

The 2014 army collapse is unlikely to be repeated, it was not even an army but an intrained holding force with no understanding of conventional battles as the US military itself admitted, the one that trained this force was only trained for COIN ops. Hence we saw ISOF taking lead and holding Baiji oil refinery for over a year whilst being besieged by IS, we don't need you for that and that wouldn't work either.

Btw, imports of goods are unlikely to stop, perhaps continue unofficialy. What is likely to ome to a halt are massive energy deals and power plant construction projects as these cannot be disguised. You want the regime to fall, this is what it takes. It's better for your Persian nationalist agenda, what more do you want you should be thankful. Or do you prefer the mullah regime pockets to be fat?