Back To C929: COMAC Pushes Ahead With Widebody Rename Following Russia's Exit

[ChineseTiger1986]

It's BS.
Safran just opened a Leap engine repair facility 3 weeks ago in China

Safran Nacelles opens its new nacelle MRO centre in Suzhou, China

On 25th October, Safran Nacelles opened its new repair centre in Suzhou, China. Those attending included Alain Berger, Executive Vice President - Customer Support & Services of Safran Nacelles, Joan Valadou, General Consul of France, Wu Hong, Director General of Suzhou Industrial Park...

www.safran-group.com

Ok, so you admit you just blatantly lied about the engine being cutoff from China...what a shocker.

Ever since the chip incident, you cannot trust you anymore.

You are not a reliable partner, but the good thing is that you have no more leverage to sanction us anymore.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Ever since the chip incident, you cannot trust you anymore.

I have always not trusted anything the Chinese members here say because usually the source is their @ss.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I have always not trusted anything the Chinese members here say because usually the source is their @ss.

No one cares, and the majority in the world know that your country is unreliable and a two-faced backstabber.

And everyone is happy to see that Huawei is reciprocating with two big slaps on your face.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

No one cares, and the majority in the world know that your country is unreliable and a two-faced backstabber.

Well at least it is clear you have added yourself to the unreliable list when it comes to the validity of your posts.
Keep up the good work...try not to get your hand stuck in your reach around.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Well at least it is clear you have added yourself to the unreliable list when it comes to the validity of your posts.
Keep up the good work...try not to get your hand stuck.

You have tried many times, but the fiasco of the chip war makes you think twice before conducting another blunder.

If China Arms Russia, the U.S. Should Kill China’s Aircraft Industry

Beijing’s aerospace future is uniquely dependent on Western companies. U.S. and EU trade sanctions could bring its indigenous aviation sector to a halt.

foreignpolicy.com

 

[FuturePAF]

For this airliner to be in wide use, the Chinese market maybe enough, but to make it profitable and accepted into the fleets of other airlines will be either a deep discount for being an initial customer or the plane proving itself in a major hub and spoke model near many prospective customers.

If China set up an airline in Gwadar, similar to Emirates, it could really have the airliner serve most of the eastern hemisphere and many East coast destinations in North America.
The airport was inaugurated by Xi Jinping himself, and could help make Chinese investments in Gwadar viable, similar to the Dubai or Las Vegas model of bringing the people and building out the amenities.

This would also allow china to promote its c-919 as the plane for regional spokes from this hub.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Back To C929: COMAC Pushes Ahead With Widebody Rename Following Russia's Exit​

BYAARON BAILEY
PUBLISHED October. 29 2023

The rename signifies that Comac is committed to developing the wide-body airliner.

Photo: fifg | Shutterstock

SUMMARY​

• The collaboration between Chinese COMAC and Russian United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) for developing the CR929 has ended.
• Despite the challenges caused by Russia's withdrawal, COMAC is determined to continue the development of the C929.
• The Chinese government's strong support for the aviation industry, along with its policies to encourage local manufacturers, serves as a strong backing for COMAC to develop the C929 independently.

Initially, the CRAIC CR929, known as the COMAC CR929, was previously a collaboration between the Chinese COMAC and the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) of Russia. However, following tensions and sanctions against Russia due to its invasion of Ukraine, the Russian powerhouse has withdrawn from the program, leading to the manufacturer deciding to drop the R within CR929, signaling the end of the partnership. (C - China, R - Russia).

The now C929 is a planned long-haul widebody airliner to challenge the Airbus and Boeing duopoly. With plans to seat between 250-320 seats.

While having Russia withdraw from the program has brought unexpected challenges to COMAC, the manufacturer has persevered and is determined to continue in the variant development.

Vast market demand​

China is one of the world's largest aviation markets, and the need for widebody passenger aircraft is increasing quickly. By 2037, it is expected that China will become the world's largest aviation market and will require an additional 7,000 new widebody aircraft to stimulate and maintain demand. This provides enormous potential and motivates the decision to continue developing the C929.

Photo: COMAC

The C929 follows the successful release of the C919 variant, COMAC's narrowbody airliner. This type took its maiden flight in May 2017 and was delivered to Shanghai's China Eastern in December 2022. With two in service, MU took its first commercial flight in May this year.

COMAC vs UAC​

Since the onset of the pandemic, there have been heightened tensions between COMAC and UAC after it disclosed that its first deliveries of the C929 were expected to be only by 2028-2029. While through 2021, China and Russia were working together to build the prototype, the pandemic severely paused the project, and then in 2022, Russia's invasion of Ukraine put multiple sanctions and uncertainty on the success of the partnership.

Russia kept optimistic through this, believing that the first test flights for the widebody aircraft would be by 2030; however, by this year, it was made public that COMAC chose to continue the program independently. However, United Aircraft Corporation CEO Yury Slyusar reiterated his genuine hope that UAC could remain involved in the project as a supplier for the C929.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1717806533466292399

The Chinese government is very supportive of the aviation industry, is pursuing the development of local aviation products, and has implemented several policies to encourage local manufacturers to complete independent research, development, and innovation for the aviation sector. With this, the government's support is a strong backing for COMAC to continue the development of the C929 project on its own.

While dropping the R from the variant name is a vital sign that Russia has stepped back from the project, the demonstration by COMAC signifies how COMAC looks to make substantial contributions to the development of the bustling Chinese aviation industry and looks to break the Airbus and Boeing monopoly and provide an alternative in the global aviation market.

Back To C929: COMAC Pushes Ahead With Widebody Rename Following Russia's Exit

The rename signifies that Comac is committed to developing the wide-body airliner.

simpleflying.com

I'm happy to see development in China. I would love Pakistan to buy these regional jetliners.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

For this airliner to be in wide use, the Chinese market maybe enough, but to make it profitable and accepted into the fleets of other airlines will be either a deep discount for being an initial customer or the plane proving itself in a major hub and spoke model near many prospective customers.

If China set up an airline in Gwadar, similar to Emirates, it could really have the airliner serve most of the eastern hemisphere and many East coast destinations in North America.
The airport was inaugurated by Xi Jinping himself, and could help make Chinese investments in Gwadar viable, similar to the Dubai or Las Vegas model of bringing the people and building out the amenities.

This would also allow china to promote its c-919 as the plane for regional spokes from this hub.

They have a large market in developing countries who don't want to pay $100 Million+ per plane.

 

[FuturePAF]

They have a large market in developing countries who don't want to pay $100 Million+ per plane.

China can’t afford to heavily discount the planes especially if fuel economy won’t be as competing with Airbus or Boeing planes. Potential buyers look at the life cycle costs and fuel is a big part. The plane will have to be produced and used in large numbers to bring other costs and the sale price down to close the gap. What better place than Gwadar (location wise not security wise) to set up an airline to compete with the gulf carriers, and prove this airplane’s worth.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

China can’t afford to heavily discount the planes especially if fuel economy won’t be as competing with Airbus or Boeing planes. Potential buyers look at the life cycle costs and fuel is a big part. The plane will have to be produced and used in large numbers to bring other costs and the sale price down to close the gap. What better place than Gwadar (location wise not security wise) to set up an airline to compete with the gulf carriers, and prove this airplane’s worth.

They are going to have trouble with major airlines outside of China jumping on the bandwagon until there is a bandwagon to jump on.

Expect them to sell at a discount to smaller airlines in developing countries to get some volume and have the major airlines watch to see if there are any problems. Then they can gouge the major airlines.

 

[FuturePAF]

They are going to have trouble with major airlines outside of China jumping on the bandwagon until there is a bandwagon to jump on.

Expect them to sell at a discount to smaller airlines in developing countries to get some volume and have the major airlines watch to see if there are any problems. Then they can gouge the major airlines.

The volumes won’t be enough if they focusing on selling to smaller airlines. They might as well start their own airline and build up the infrastructure for COMAC planes around the world that way. Once the infrastructure is in place, smaller and national airlines around the world will be able to not only purchase a more proven platform, but we able to service them from day one. It might take at least a decade to get a track record as a proven and safe platform.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The volumes won’t be enough if they focusing on selling to smaller airlines. They might as well start their own airline and build up the infrastructure for COMAC planes around the world that way. Once the infrastructure is in place, smaller and national airlines around the world will be able to not only purchase a more proven platform, but we able to service them from day one. It might take at least a decade to get a track record as a proven and safe platform.

It's also not going to help if they plan on switching out the engines for unproven indigenous ones. They will end up back at square zero.

 

[FuturePAF]

It's also not going to help if they plan on switching out the engines for unproven indigenous ones. They will end up back at square zero.

It will probably flying in non-China based airlines with a foreign engine, to reduce the variable of the engine. Once the domestic market proves the domestic engines, they will probably switch gradually locally and then expand out to airlines based abroad.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

It will probably flying in non-China based airlines with a foreign engine, to reduce the variable of the engine. Once the domestic market proves the domestic engines, they will probably switch gradually locally and then expand out to airlines based abroad.

That certainly can happen but the sooner they get it in the better.

You can't have a Leap engine in for 2 years and then announce an engine swap out and expect buyers to immediately start ordering. You are looking at 2 or 3 years more for people to be watching and waiting.

New engines are dicey risks for airlines to jump into quick. They want to see these things running fine for years first.

 

[FuturePAF]

That certainly can happen but the sooner they get it in the better.

You can't have a Leap engine in for 2 years and then announce an engine swap out and expect buyers to immediately start ordering. You are looking at 2 or 3 years more for people to be watching and waiting.

New engines are dicey risks for airlines to jump into quick. They want to see these things running fine for years first.

I’m saying foreign buyers (outside of say Iran or North Korea) won’t buy for at least 10 years. Plenty of time to use the leap engines with an airline out of Gwadar, and then introduce the domestic engine in 3-5 years in China, and domestic engine version in Gwadar in 10 years. Enough flight hours to earn some credibility for reliability and safety. I think sales to sizable foreign airlines won’t start until after 2035.