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Babur in his Baburnama wrote extensively about his newly conquered land, there were many complaints from his side - of looks, manners, animals, food, candles, no running waters except rivers but he also praised quite a few things and caste system was one of those things.
 
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Babur in his Baburnama wrote extensively about his newly conquered land, there were many complaints from his side - of looks, manners, animals, food, candles, no running waters except rivers but he also praised quite a few things and caste system was one of those things.
He is happy as he gets a whole caste of slaves.
 
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Absolutely. The caste system was seen as an excellent means of subjugation and there was no way of deposing Brahmins of their privileged status without unravelling Hinduism itself. Islam, Christianity and other religions offered a way out but again, Brahmin classes opposed this attempt to erode their power base. Why do you think hindutva lumps "abrahamic" faiths together to save time these days when listing "hinduphobic" forces?

If not the mughals, then the Aryans or the Brahmins or the British would have - and in fact did - exploit the caste system.

The stupidest thing about modern Indian citizens who bash on behalf of Modi is that they routinely criticise mughals for doing exactly what Brahmins have done and continue to do. Ultimately, this should come as no shock, since Brahmins and northern Indians in general came from Aryan invaders.
 
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Babur in his Baburnama wrote extensively about his newly conquered land, there were many complaints from his side - of looks, manners, animals, food, candles, no running waters except rivers but he also praised quite a few things and caste system was one of those things.

What world in the paragraph posted is equate to "Caste"!!

It peaks in Brahmins (70%+ in some regions), North Indians have on average 48% Aryan ancestry.

genealogy and DNA records don't support your assertions.
If there is any Aryan descend it would be minimum and only related to few migrants who were actually Aryans.
Not all of them were.
 
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Absolutely. The caste system was seen as an excellent means of subjugation and there was no way of deposing Brahmins of their privileged status without unravelling Hinduism itself. Islam, Christianity and other religions offered a way out but again, Brahmin classes opposed this attempt to erode their power base. Why do you think hindutva lumps "abrahamic" faiths together to save time these days when listing "hinduphobic" forces?

If not the mughals, then the Aryans or the Brahmins or the British would have - and in fact did - exploit the caste system.

The stupidest thing about modern Indian citizens who bash on behalf of Modi is that they routinely criticise mughals for doing exactly what Brahmins have done and continue to do. Ultimately, this should come as no shock, since Brahmins and northern Indians in general came from Aryan invaders.
Right on. There is no other way to explain British conquest ... their numbers do not justify the undertaking but so do initial Mughals... everytime a very tiny invasive species took hold with an army of local boot lickers.

Which interestingly blows the whole nativist charade and grandstanding...
 
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What world in the paragraph posted is equate to "Caste"!!
"There is fixed caste for every sort of work,which has done that work or that thing from father to son till now."
genealogy and DNA records don't support your assertions.
If there is any Aryan descend it would be minimum and only related to few migrants who were actually Aryans.
Not all of them were.
You should backup your claims.

More on this : https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/06/07/genetical-observations-on-caste/
 
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It takes many generations to learn culture, manners etc. Some people become rich overnight but their manners are like savages. So called neo- liberalism only created an ill mannered and bad behaving population. I also support caste system.
 
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Babur in his Baburnama wrote extensively about his newly conquered land, there were many complaints from his side - of looks, manners, animals, food, candles, no running waters except rivers but he also praised quite a few things and caste system was one of those things.
Babur was also homosexual or at least bisexual. Let's take his opinions less than seriously.
 
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Sure. Get back to me when Dalits are beaten for keeping a mustache like in India.

Babur was also homosexual or at least bisexual. Let's take his opinions less than seriously.

Bisexual. As were a lot of other invaders like Alauddin Khilji. Men kept young boys as lovers. Still prevails in some parts of Afghanistan.
 
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One must view history from a historical lens. The tragedy of South Asian history is that it's always been twisted by the politics of the present. That's what makes it so problematic to study it. This is exactly what most of you are doing it. Babaur was writing his observations and opinions, they have to be taken as a product of his time.
 
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