Babur-III, MIRV - Changing the strategic game in South Asia?

[karakoram]

Google translator.

Got it.

 

[Icarus]

Sir Kindly clear his / her confusion please or at least add Khalistani flag as a choice.

Will present the suggestion to the admin.

 

[Army research]

Do you think Its Deterrent Enough ??

A SLBM version shaheen missile which have warhead of 40 -50 Kiloton yield or Babur which has Low yield weapon Which will you Will choose was Option for credible deterrence i asked you genuinely

The whole purpose of second strike is say some how all our TEL are rendered useless etc , we can still decimate goa Mumbai etc with this

 

[cerberus]

The whole purpose of second strike is say some how all our TEL are rendered useless etc , we can still decimate goa Mumbai etc with this

With Low yield Weapon

To completely Destroy a city Like Mumbai you need a megaton level weapon Not 0.5to1 KT Pataka

 

[Ultima Thule]

Mr To destroy a big city like delhi you need a megaton level nuke

Not kiloton patka's

I rest my case


How many pratical nuclear test you conducted again ??

didn't you know cold test kid, We have ababeel for your Delhi kid

 

[cerberus]

didn't you know cold test kid, We have ababeel for your Delhi kid

Hear comes another teenager With Low Level IQ

First Try learn Subject Of discussion

 

[cerberus]

And you crapy indian expert, are you reliable than janes which stated Pakistan have miniature nukes you insane kid

Again Poor level of IQ demonstrated By you

Janes Stated you have Miniature nukes To fit in Nasr Basically a Low yield Warhead of 0.5 to 1 KT

 

[khail007]

So far the outcome of on going discussion on this thread is that Pakistan's nukes will be unable to make much harm to Indian cities. So of no value/threat during any future war.
While one Indian fart will be powerful enough to wipeout whole Pakistan.
I request such Indian keyboard warriors to just have trip to Heroshima and Nagasaki and have an experience the place/museum in reference to atomic blast and it's outcome. Reality is very cruel - even a toothache or headache sometime so unbearable for usual human beings.
Those who are fighting an atomic battle over keyboard, from either side, please just have a blade incision on your body (if you could) and tell how it feels; leave aside the nuclear explosion.
It is very very easy in typing. Just think, God forbid, in case of such war where will be India and where will be Pakistan?
In terms of destruction/casualties; will there be any effective governments/institutions?
For wounded exposed to radiation/radioactive ashes, any treatment?
How to coup up with law lessness and armed gangs emerged for power?
From the strength of PDF members, who will be able to explore the forums and threads?

 

[Army research]

With Low yield Weapon

To completely Destroy a city Like Mumbai you need a megaton level weapon Not 0.5to1 KT Pataka

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My boy who said completely evaporate mumbai? But two three 'pataka' on the commercial areas would surely send ripples across the Indian economy

didn't you know cold test kid, We have ababeel for your Delhi kid

 

[Safriz]

With Low yield Weapon

To completely Destroy a city Like Mumbai you need a megaton level weapon Not 0.5to1 KT Pataka

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Thats why multiple strikes of 300 KT are launched. Nobody uses megaton range single warhead anymore.

 

[My-Analogous]

Even Russian are not able to produce a warhead Like w80 or 84 successfully pakistan is far behind

Let me know when its done Within this century with limited Piratical Live test simulations you have


Source ??


Sirji do you know about W80 type warhead or just shooting things in air

Its yield between 5 and 200KT Specially designed for BGM-109 Tomahawk

So what make you think we can't have them. Let me clear you Pakistan is have technologies to develop and Pakistan was working for that very long time and it was reported at least five years back and we have a five years old thread on this. But since i told you earlier that Pakistan always show things on right time so your claim is baseless that we don't have this so called alien technology. It was reported that we started this program 10 years back from now on.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-interested-in-thermonuclear-weapon.155700/
So bottom line is that i know what you are talking about.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Babur is not a true second strike capability,only ballistic missiles can provide that.Cruise missiles especially subsonic ones are quite easy to intercept and as the tomahawk launches in syria showed not all even reached the target , crashing due to the terrain hugging feature if traversing uneven geography.A subsonic missile like babur will not go through a barak-8 (which is optimized to intercept supersonic low altitude cruise missiles) and s-400 (which will guard major cities) defence shield,leaving aside other options as even anti aircraft guns with radar guidance can take down subsonic cruise missiles.Pakistan's main nuclear capability will remain ballistic missiles on TELs.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Babur is not a true second strike capability,only ballistic missiles can provide that.Cruise missiles especially subsonic ones are quite easy to intercept and as the tomahawk launches in syria showed not all even reached the target , crashing due to the terrain hugging feature if traversing uneven geography.A subsonic missile like babur will not go through a barak-8 (which is optimized to intercept supersonic low altitude cruise missiles) and s-400 (which will guard major cities) defence shield,leaving aside other options as even anti aircraft guns with radar guidance can take down subsonic cruise missiles.Pakistan's main nuclear capability will remain ballistic missiles on TELs.

Cruise missiles are not easy to intercept just as you people think they are, just because you don't have one in your inventory does not means its a useless technology which is the idea i am getting from your post ..

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Cruise missiles are not easy to intercept just as you people think they are, just because you don't have one in your inventory does not means its a useless technology which is the idea i am getting from your post ..

I'm not saying they are useless at all,they are far cheaper than ballistic missiles and excellent for delivering with accuracy warheads at affordable prices.But they are no substitute for ballistic missiles which are very difficult to intercept.And yes we do have the barhmos as a land attack cruise missile with similar range(now that MTCR is gone)
And barak-8 ,a specialized cruise missile killer and s-400 certainly are capable of shooting down subsonic cruise missiles quite easily.My point is not to say they are useless technology but that this is not a real second strike capability.I contradict the thread title's claim 'changing the strategic game' because it doesn't really do that substantially.Pakistan's primary nuclear capability will still be ballistic missiles on TELs,not this hyped slcm babur cruise missile shoehorned into a role meant for BMs due to budgetary constraints.

 

[YeBeWarned]

I'm not saying they are useless at all,they are far cheaper than ballistic missiles and excellent for delivering with accuracy warheads at affordable prices.But they are no substitute for ballistic missiles which are very difficult to intercept.And yes we do have the barhmos as a land attack cruise missile with similar range(now that MTCR is gone)
And barak-8 ,a specialized cruise missile killer and s-400 certainly are capable of shooting down subsonic cruise missiles quite easily.My point is not to say they are useless technology but that this is not a real second strike capability.I contradict the thread title's claim 'changing the strategic game' because it doesn't really do that substantially.Pakistan's primary nuclear capability will still be ballistic missiles on TELs,not this hyped slcm babur cruise missile shoehorned into a role meant for BMs due to budgetary constraints.

But thing is that you are missing one important point here that Pakistan is right next to India , so target wont be far enough and in short distance it becomes more hard for SAM's to intercept CM .. I am not expert but i do read it here on PDF , i always enjoy your posts specially ones of historical battles but this post i feel that you undermine the CM technology .. and bringing S-400 is irrelevant for now is it ? cause it will take quite a while ..

I do consider CM's to be second Strike possibility cause, a Sub with carrying 8-12 CM nuclear tipped can be lethal in any war scenario .. Pakistan is working on BM and to avoid Indian Anti BM shield we are improving our BM tech by introducing MIRV capable ababeel , over the next 5-7 years this technology will be very crucial in any future war