Babri Masjid case: Set 'Ram Lalla' free, says oldest litigant Hashim Ansari

[anonymus]

Hinduism is already extinct. Most people who go around claiming to be hindus know nothing about hinduism.

Don't be paranoid. Hinduism could only become extinct ,if it is outbred by Islam in India.

In your zeal to lamenting Hindus for not being Kattar, you are overlooking a very peculiar tendency of Hindus, and i would say followers of Eastern religion, it is the cultural affinity.

Even atheist ,and agonist Hindus have more affinity for Hinduism than an atheist ,and agonist ex-christian has for Christianity. Atheist Hindus do not go Kaboom against Hinduism, even if they stop believe in existence of higher power, similar to Japanese where 60% people claim to be atheist but still 98% of Japanese visit Shinto shrines ( note it include Buddhists too ).

Also RSS has openly atheist among it's ranks. If i remember correctly, Jagdish shettar ,ex CM of Karnataka, is an atheist and still a RSS karyakarta.


Hinduism would outlive all abrahmic religions, unless extinguished by sword or ourbred in womb wars.

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[Prajapati]

Don't be paranoid. Hinduism could only become extinct ,if it is outbred by Islam in India.

In your zeal to lamenting Hindus for not being Kattar, you are overlooking a very peculiar tendency of Hindus, and i would say followers of Eastern religion, it is the cultural affinity.

Even atheist ,and agonist Hindus have more affinity for Hinduism than an atheist ,and agonist ex-christian has for Christianity. Atheist Hindus do not go Kaboom against Hinduism, even if they stop believe in existence of higher power, similar to Japanese where 60% people claim to be atheist but still 98% of Japanese visit Shinto shrines ( note it include Buddhists too ).

Also RSS has openly atheist among it's ranks. If i remember correctly, Jagdish shettar ,ex CM of Karnataka, is an atheist and still a RSS karyakarta.


Hinduism would outlive all abrahmic religions, unless extinguished by sword or ourbred in womb wars.

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There is a difference between a "Hindu" and a "Practicing Hindu". Unfortunately its not a fine difference any more.

Unlike a 'practicing Hindu', those who claim to be hindu believe,

1. Dharma is flexible, you can do what you want and still call it dharma
2. Killing cows and eating them is 'cool'
3. 'Cleanliness' is not part of hinduism
4. Ram and Ramayan are there so that we can find faults in them (and feel good about our-self), not to guide us to be better men/women
5. We do not have to fight for what is right, "everything" is right
6. Hindu scriptures are useless, everything they need to know is what their immagination tells them or what social media tells them
7. Sex outside marriage is 'cool', 'brahmachariya' is for wimps.

Today we have more "cultural affinity" to the christian west than to our own culture. What part of our "Hindu culture" remain ? Can you name 3 things ?

The "purpose" of Hinduism is not to wallow in ignorance but to help people find a path towards salvation or at least a better next life. How many "Hindus" do you see practicing the purpose of Hinduism ?

BTW ....why did you drag RSS into this ?

 

[abjktu]

You, myself and others here are a tiny drop in the Indian populace who realize fallacies or religion, However the rest 99% of the Indian population does not.

There is no guarantee sometime in future a mosque built upon demolished temple would be razed by mobs.

In other words, religious structures in India built upon demolishing another religious structure, no matter however old are a potential time bomb of communal violence wiating to blow off.

So its best, it is solved now, rather when its too late

For example the Somanth temple was repeated razed to the ground and Mosque built over it, eventually post Independence under the Iron man's idea, the Mosque was carefully shifted and the temple rebuilt.

Its never too late to correct a mistake, however old.

The ideal case eventually would be Indian Muslims should fund the rebuilding of Ayodhya Temple and Indian Hindus fund rebuilding Babri Masjid.

Good suggestion...But its hard to implement as long as owasi,togadia type blind religious scums exist in our society...

So now you new logic is everybody is a Hindu......... muslims, christians, jews .....everybody.

Cool story.

But that was the ""precious wordings'' of RSS...All Indians are hindus like that..Are you saying that they are wrong in this??..

 

[Prajapati]

But that was the ""precious wordings'' of RSS...All Indians are hindus like that..Are you saying that they are wrong in this??..

Nice Try, but you fail. Again.

RSS called them "cultural Hindus".

 

[abjktu]

Nice Try, but you fail. Again.

RSS called them "cultural Hindus".

What about ''All Indians are sons of Sreeraman''(that was not by RSS)??..Or they meant non hindu Indians are culturally sons of Raman??

 

[Prajapati]

What about ''All Indians are sons of Sreeraman''(that was not by RSS)??..Or they meant non hindu Indians are culturally sons of Raman??

Poor try this time.

It was a political election speech seeking to consolidate Hindu votes

What about Church claiming Hindus are Sinners and "all Indians are sons of Adam" ? ...... or do they mean all Hindu are christians too ?

 

[abjktu]

Poor try this time.

It was a political election speech seeking to consolidate Hindu votes

What about Church claiming Hindus are Sinners and "all Indians are sons of Adam" ? ...... or do they mean all Hindu are christians too ?

Yeah. All are political/election foul stunts...
All those who disrespecting other faiths are retards and sinners...If any church or Christian does,they too..

 

[itachiii]

What about ''All Indians are sons of Sreeraman''(that was not by RSS)??..Or they meant non hindu Indians are culturally sons of Raman??

do u mnd if the statement was " all indians are sons of god " ?? ( all that sadvi did was she took d name of lord ram , instead of generalizing it with the term god )

 

[abjktu]

do u mnd if the statement was " all indians are sons of god " ?? ( all that sadvi did was she took d name of lord ram , instead of generalizing it with the term god )

I don't mind any politicians or self proclaimed saviours..They have their own political interests..better not to fall into their hands..

 

[The Headache]

This fool's view doesnot mean a thing. There will be no Ram temple period.

Soumitra bhen you can go to the middle-east and be a dancer or something naughty. Muslims will never leave this country. Only Hindus might be forced to leave it in coming future.

Now kindly explain- Why and How Hindus will be forced out of he country. Through your monosyllabic farts?

 

[The_Showstopper]

BJP has given to more than 410 people to fight in the Lok Sabha. So, as per you, none should have been from Dalits/ Lower castes? Even a simple mathematical computation will tell you by the law of averages, as per India's demographics, atleast 150 of those tickets must have been given to Dalits/ Lower castes.

So? Whats the big deal?

Did the BJP/NDA give ticket to Dalits in constituencies where considerable populace were non-Dalits or did they give a ticket to Non-Jaat in Jaat dominated area?

Though not related to our discussion but since you brought this up, you speak about the law of averages and how Dalits must be given atleast 150 seats, so applying the same law of averages and simple mathematical computation how many seats should be been given to muslims by political parties including BJP? Any answers??

 

[Tridibans]

Did the BJP/NDA give ticket to Dalits in constituencies where considerable populace were non-Dalits or did they give a ticket to Non-Jaat in Jaat dominated area?

Though not related to our discussion but since you brought this up, you speak about the law of averages and how Dalits must be given atleast 150 seats, so applying the same law of averages and simple mathematical computation how many seats should be been given to muslims by political parties including BJP? Any answers??

You yourself has given the answer. If the area has more dalits, chances are that the candidate will also be a Dalit. Simple Logic really.

Like a Spanish will most probably be a Christian, An Italian will be in all probablity a catholic, a Saudi will be an Islamic so on and so forth

 

[The_Showstopper]

We have a Christian CM in Kerala(where 55% of population are Hindus) and had several past CMs from minority communities both Christian and Muslim...Is it possible in any Muslim majority states or countries??or even a Muslim majority panchayat ward??..
The only religion based parties in Kerala are from Muslims only...

So do you accept that Indian muslims, dalits, Jaats or any caste members choose/vote their own people as leaders/representatives since you haven't said anything regarding this. And speaking of your state, almost half of the population is non-Hindu so having a non-Hindu CM is no big deal. Forget about PM, how many muslim CM's do we have in different states of our country barring one or may be two even though India is home to second largest muslim population?

You yourself has given the answer. If the area has more dalits, chances are that the candidate will also be a Dalit. Simple Logic really.

Like a Spanish will most probably be a Christian, An Italian will be in all probablity a catholic, a Saudi will be an Islamic so on and so forth

So did you, Be it Indian muslims or Dalits or some other section of the society, they do not behave in any different way i.e. Voting or choosing their own kind...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Though I thanked your post yet I wish all this should be done with zero violence n in perfect harmony....

I abhor violence. In front of the complexes, small mandaps are occasionally placed where Hindus come temporarily. No Muslim destroys it. Punishing today's Muslims with violence is not an answer - it will create an endless cycle of violence. I have the hope that their hearts will be won.

Hyderabad is excluded, the last Nizams still rule there.

What are the three temples, Ram Janmabhumi, Kashi Bishwanath, and? And it's Gyanvapi.

Krishna Janmasthan temple.

There won't be violence, this I can assure you. Without winning hearts and a voluntarily getting the land back, we can't come out of the cycle of violence.

So do you accept that Indian muslims, dalits, Jaats or any caste members choose/vote their own people as leaders/representatives since you haven't said anything regarding this. And speaking of your state, almost half of the population is non-Hindu so having a non-Hindu CM is no big deal. Forget about PM, how many muslim CM's do we have in different states of our country barring one or may be two even though India is home to second largest muslim population?



So did you, Be it Indian muslims or Dalits or some other section of the society, they do not behave in any different way i.e. Voting or choosing their own kind...

First of all, CMs are not selected from the minority or majority quota but purely by voting. If you have a problem start a Muslim political party like AIMIM and get voted to power and be the CM.

Secondly, if not having a Muslim ruler is a cause for concern, then you should consider travlelling to the 56 countries where it is either de-jure or de-facto the rule to have a Muslim ruler.

Only Sunni Muslims vote for their kind, this was pretty established till the last election. The trend is being challenged now as young Muslims are voting in a more matured way for a better candidate. Which is a good sign.

Its not denied that there exists a temple there, question is that is there any historical proof that this is the exact location where RAM was born and there was a massive temple at that place in history as evidence of same.

Even in that case then entire land should be given to ASI to excavate and find out the truth if thats the birth place of RAM. Why do you want build something on top of that and not bring back the original historic temple.



Court said as per mythology RAM was born in Ayhodhya, It never confirmed if the current Ayhodhya is same city or the given temple in question is the exact birth location. For it Ayhodya is birth place of RAM, and no one denies that.



I see the taliban mentality here and come what i dont want India to turn in to Afganishtan or pakisthan based on that mentality.

Did you mention Mamta somewhere before?
Also you called him Taliban because he wants to build a few temples? Seriously?
Taliban hates temples, they blow them up. Kaboom. They don't build. For building temples in their own country if Hindus are called Taliban, Hindus should just then stop being Hindus and Hinduism should be banned. That will be a sure way of preventing Hindu 'resurgence'.

As for the original temple, only the base remains - its not a temple anymore, just a base and nothing else. Even that is weakened. Not safe.

Also land is never given to 'ASI', the responsibility is given to them to maintain the area, not the ownership.

 

[dray]

I abhor violence. In front of the complexes, small mandaps are occasionally placed where Hindus come temporarily. No Muslim destroys it. Punishing today's Muslims with violence is not an answer - it will create an endless cycle of violence. I have the hope that their hearts will be won.

Hyderabad is excluded, the last Nizams still rule there.


Krishna Janmasthan temple.

There won't be violence, this I can assure you. Without winning hearts and a voluntarily getting the land back, we can't come out of the cycle of violence.


First of all, CMs are not selected from the minority or majority quota but purely by voting. If you have a problem start a Muslim political party like AIMIM and get voted to power and be the CM.

Secondly, if not having a Muslim ruler is a cause for concern, then you should consider travlelling to the 56 countries where it is either de-jure or de-facto the rule to have a Muslim ruler.

Only Sunni Muslims vote for their kind, this was pretty established till the last election. The trend is being challenged now as young Muslims are voting in a more matured way for a better candidate. Which is a good sign.


Did you mention Mamta somewhere before?
Also you called him Taliban because he wants to build a few temples? Seriously?
Taliban hates temples, they blow them up. Kaboom. They don't build. For building temples in their own country if Hindus are called Taliban, Hindus should just then stop being Hindus and Hinduism should be banned. That will be a sure way of preventing Hindu 'resurgence'.

As for the original temple, only the base remains - its not a temple anymore, just a base and nothing else. Even that is weakened. Not safe.

Also land is never given to 'ASI', the responsibility is given to them to maintain the area, not the ownership.

Anything that doesn't create a major social unrest and disrupts the development process, or doesn't destroy India's image in front of the world is not a cause of concern. I seriously think loose talk should be controlled, especially by the people of some significance.