Very unfortunate, and very disingenious. If you think by asking about the proof of birth which is the basis for a case currently being decided in court, that I am insulting a religion, then you have run out of arguments and are now perched way, way out on a limb. Please also note the context in which I responded to the original poster - he was arguing a point of view which is offensive to others and is not 100% proven scientifically.
I was never in an argument with you on the claim of "existance of Lord Rama"....I questioned your callous wording and insensitivity of your statement that I quoted....
Even if the poster claims that the Babar destroyed a temple to build a mosque and that Aryan invasion theory is not proven...how was this offensive to Muslims? Why the attack on Hindu faith?
Secondly, I presented to you a similar case of scientific credibility wrt to Islamic faith and religion...where none exists....be it any religion of the book or Hindusim....so why pick on Hinduism? Because you can?
Was the one dissenting judgement (by a muslim judge, I believe) not indicative of the fact that it is *not* conclusively proven that Babar destroyed an existing temple to build this mosque?
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That is the whole basis of the argument which Advani used to inflame sentiments and start communal riots in which 900 people were killed. So it's ok to call into question 700 years of history, present your own version and then kill 900 people. But when someone asks you about proof for whether there is any basis in fact behind the insinuation that caused all the violence, you call it insulting a religion? Wonderful.
Well questioning the destruction of Babri Masjid is valid....as upheld by the court...
Questioning the birthplace of Lord Rama and his existance is NOT! Which is insulting to Hinduism....
Again...the court did rule the site to be Ram Janmabhoomi....
Regardless of your swipe, in this entire discussion, nowhere have I taken a tone which denegrates hinduism. I have no desire to do that. I respect all faiths. If you look at my interaction on this forum, 99.9% of all my criticism is directed at people of my own faith, mullahs etc
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I appreciate that and we need more folks like you
I have mentioned what i found objectionable in the above.....
Now, coming to the issue at hand, the point is that in matters concerning ancient history, there is usually no 100% definitive scientific proof on the basis of which courts can make decisions
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Now you're negating your own argument....
So since no conclusive evidence was provided to the effect that Babar destroyed a temple to build the mosque....are u conceeding that it is also possible that Babar could have destroyed a temple? (100% scientific proof does not exist)
This is all a farce. To revisit the "ownership deed" 700 years after the fact is a bloody farce. Let me say it again. A bloody farce. And it is being done *only* because of the involvement of a particularly virulent strain of right-winger. The same type that took pickaxes, crowbars and shovels and destroyed not only a cherished heritage site, but one that was holy to 1.5B people, one hundred and fifty million of whom, reside in India.
Again....I cannot stress how humiliating it is for a secular nation to have people that desecrate a holy site.....It is nothing more than a "dhabba" on Indian history.....
But then again...."ownership deed" as you put it belongs to Muslims as a result of an action that took place 700 years ago....ie. a foreign invader building a mosque on a land thus transferring ownership to muslims....
It is also a fact that Babur wasnt Indian....his descendents were.....so ownership can be questioned....
So one does have to look at the historical evidence of ownership....
Now I am hearing all sorts of apologist excuses... "oh there are two cases, the case regarding the demolition is still pending". Yeah, right. The court has grabbed 2/3rds of the land of the mosque which was demolished and they are still debating whether the demolition was "legal"? Does it take 18 years to determine whether a mob destroying a place of worship is "legal" or "illegal"? How is there any hope of fairplay now that it is IMPOSSIBLE to remedy the damage to the mosque since 2/3rd of the property on which it was built has been forcibly grabbed and GIVEN AWAY? There is no sense or logic, and yet apologists cling to this ridiculous argument.
The fact that it is a civil case and NOT criminal should speak volumes about the fact that THIS IS NOT TO PUNISH THE CRIMINALS OF THE BABRI DESTRUCTION.
Please show me where the court was ruling on whether the destruction of the temple was "legal" or "illegal".....again....this was a civil lawsuit on landownership....simple!
Further....the fact that landownership suit was file in 1949 negates your argument about the forceful landgrabbing post destruction as the issue existed well before that....
Anyway, apparently the courts in India believe they need to undo 700 years of history... let's see what the future holds.
Honestly...in the history of India....Temples, Mosques, Gurudwaras have been destroyed for various reasons.....most unjustified....
How much history are we going to cling to?
I'd rather opt for peace and harmony moving forward.....something we South Asians cant seem to do....something that this verdict aims to achieve!
Especially since the Mosque is destroyed and enough blood has been spilt already.....the only way is to move forward amicably.....no matter what we do, Babri Masjid cannot be brought back!
