Azerbaijan supports Pakistan on Kashmir

[Omar1984]

The story of India did not begin in 1500's when Babur came to India.

The story of india began in August 15, 1947. before that it was British India. India itself is a name created by invaders.

Also the ancestors of modern Pakistanis are more of the converts to Islam than the conquerers of India of that time.

Islam was revealed to mankind 1400 years ago so every Muslim had ancestors who converted to Islam.

Islam arrived in modern Pakistan in the year 711.

Also we have descendents of Mughal empereors in Pakistan. They're last name is Moghal. We also have descendents of Arabs (Syyeds and Qureshis). We have descendents of Persians, Turks, and Greeks as well in Pakistan, but the majority of the population in modern Pakistan were Buddhists before the arrival of Islam in modern Pakistan.

About muslim majority areas, you need to visit Andhra Pradesh or parts of UP to get a right understanding.

Although there are many Muslims in india. The only Muslim majorty state that india has partial control over is Kashmir and that is a disputed territory.

Also there are almost as many muslims in India as there are in Pakistan..

Thats because india's total population is 1.2 billion while Pakistan's total population is 175 million.

13.5% of india's population is Muslim.
97% of Pakistan's population is Muslim.

 

[karan.1970]

The story of india began in August 15, 1947. before that it was British India. India itself is a name created by invaders.

Then the whole logic of India being ruled by Muslims is nonsense because post 1947, India has always been ruled by its people in a democratic system. You cant have it both ways..

Islam was revealed to mankind 1400 years ago so every Muslim had ancestors who converted to Islam.

Islam arrived in modern Pakistan in the year 711.

Also we have descendents of Mughal empereors in Pakistan. They're last name is Moghal. We also have descendents of Arabs (Syyeds and Qureshis). We have descendents of Persians, Turks, and Greeks as well in Pakistan, but the majority of the population in modern Pakistan were Buddhists before the arrival of Islam in modern Pakistan.

Perfect. So Pakistan is no more muslim than India, considering there are as many muslims in India as in Pakistan..

Although there are many Muslims in india. The only Muslim majorty state that india has partial control over is Kashmir and that is a disputed territory.

Why only restrict to a state. How about cities or districts?

Thats because india's total population is 1.2 billion while Pakistan's total population is 175 million.

13.5% of india's population is Muslim.
97% of Pakistan's population is Muslim.

% Doesnt mean a thing. By that definition, Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Algeria and Comoros are more Muslim than Pakistan because they have a higher % of muslims in their population ?

 

[anurag_singh]

If you dont know what Azerbaijan, let me enlighten you. We were the first democratic country in the Islamic world in 1918. Azerbaijan had women's right even before western countries like the UK and US. Our generals, such as Mehmandarov and Shikhinski, defeated the Russian Empire on every battle in early 20th century. Azerbaijani generals were famous throughout the Russian Empire, they even fought against the Japanese armies. Our capital city, Baku, produced more then half of worlds oil until 1950s and played a key role during World War II. More then 800.000 Azerbaijanis fought against Nazi-Germany, while our population has only 3 million. Our scientists, such as Kerim Kerimov, were one of the founders of the Soviet space industry. We contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union, look up "Black January". And this is just a fragment of the last century in our history. Yes we are a small nation, but we have had an impact on the world because we stick to our principles. Principles as loyality to our brothers in Pakistan. We do not need your money. Our little country has an abundance in dollars. That money would be better spend to improve the living conditions of your country. As an Azerbaijani citizen I believe Kashmir belongs to Pakistan. This is based on history, religion, demography an geography. The only way India remains in control over Kashmir is by force, which is only a short term solution. If you need more proof what Azerbaijan is, watch the next video.

Azerbaijan - the first democratic country in the Islamic world

As an Indian citizen I believe Nagorna-karabakh belongs to Armenia. This is based on History,religion and demography.

 

[Omar1984]

The failure of two nation theory was proved by the birth of bangladesh.

Then why didnt Bangladesh re-unite with india? (It was also part of British India empire like Pakistan was).

And regarding kashmir there is demand for independence in only four or five districts and NONE in jammu(It too has some muslim majority areas) and Ladkh regions,so what about them???

Most of Kashmir's population reside in Kashmir valley.

Demographics of Kashmir:

Administered by Area----- Population % Muslim % Hindu % Buddhist
- India
---------------Kashmir Valley ~4 million 95% --------4%* – –
-------------- Jammu ~------3 million-----30%------- 66% – 4%
--------------- Ladakh ~0.25 million- 50% – ---------------------46%
- Pakistan
----------------Azad Kashmir ~2.6 million 100% – – –
---------------Northern Areas ~1 million 99% – – –


Statistics from the BBC In Depth report.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir

 

[justanobserver]

Also we have descendents of Mughal empereors in Pakistan. They're last name is Moghal. We also have descendents of Arabs (Syyeds and Qureshis). We have descendents of Persians, Turks, and Greeks as well in Pakistan, but the majority of the population in modern Pakistan were Buddhists before the arrival of Islam in modern Pakistan.

Now this is the funny bit. The irony astounds me.

Mughals (name derived from Mongol) were from central asia, their ancestor was from Uzbekistan

The region know as Pakistan today, was the first to fall (and later converted by the sword) to the barbarian hordes

 

[Multani]

Now this is the funny bit. The irony astounds me.

Mughals (name derived from Mongol) were from central asia, their ancestor was from Uzbekistan

The region know as Pakistan today, was the first to fall (and later converted by the sword) to the barbarian hordes

If converted by the sword, then they must be unhappy, and must reconvert back to paganism.

But the fact on the ground is, it is Sufis who converted the hindus to Islam. The graves of these sufis are present all over Pakistan, and all over India in their tens of thousands.

Just one man, Khaja Muinuddin Chishti radiallahu anhu is responsible for the conversion of 1/4th the Muslim population of all South Asia from hinduism directly or indirectly.

 

[Omar1984]

Perfect. So Pakistan is no more muslim than India, considering there are as many muslims in India as in Pakistan..

80% of india's population is hindu. india has 900 million hindus.
1% of Pakistan's population is hindu. Pakistan has 2 million hindus.


13.5% of india;s population is Muslim. india has 160 million Muslims.
97% of Pakistan's population is Muslim. Pakistan has 170 million Muslims.

The vast majority of indians are hindus, while the vast majority of Pakistanis are Muslims.

% Doesnt mean a thing. By that definition, Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Algeria and Comoros are more Muslim than Pakistan because they have a higher % of muslims in their population ?

No country has a 100% Muslim population. The countries you listed above are Muslim majority countries like Pakistan. The vast majority of people residing in these countries are Muslim. The same cant be said about india obviously.

 

[Shusha]

The failure of two nation theory was proved by the birth of bangladesh.And regarding kashmir there is demand for independence in only four or five districts and NONE in jammu(It too has some muslim majority areas) and Ladkh regions,so what about them???

Im not pretending to be an expert on this conflict, but what about a step by step solution? Pakistan and India have been locked down in this conflict for decades. So I think both sides have the time.

As an Indian citizen I believe Nagorna-karabakh belongs to Armenia. This is based on History,religion and demography.

There you go again, resorting to threats. At least I have some basic knowledge regarding Pakistan and India. What do you know about history and demography of the Caucasus? Demograph, very funny. First the 80.000 Armenians kick out a million Azerbaijanis and then call themselfs the majority.

 

[karan.1970]

80% of india's population is hindu. india has 900 million hindus.
1% of Pakistan's population is hindu. Pakistan has 2 million hindus.


13.5% of india;s population is Muslim. india has 160 million Muslims.
97% of Pakistan's population is Muslim. Pakistan has 170 million Muslims.

The vast majority of indians are hindus, while the vast majority of Pakistanis are Muslims.




No country has a 100% Muslim population. The countries you listed above are Muslim majority countries like Pakistan. The vast majority of people residing in these countries are Muslim. The same cant be said about india obviously.

Its a warped logic you are using. India has almost the same % of world Muslims population as Pakistan. So India as representative of the Muslim community of the world as Pakistan.

The countries I listed have a higher % muslim population than Pakistan, but lower number of Muslims as an absolute number.

 

[justanobserver]

If converted by the sword, then they must be unhappy, and must reconvert back to paganism.

Were there sufis in Persia, when they were forcefully converted and most of the Zoroastrians fled to India?

There was peaceful conversion, but that was only in South India.

 

[justanobserver]

There you go again, resorting to threats. At least I have some basic knowledge regarding Pakistan and India.

Actually you need to know the nature of the conflict (more than your basic knowledge), if you support Pakistan on Kashmir, our stance changes immediately, infact we take your stand as a threat to our territorial integrity and we'll do everything to protect it.

 

[Omar1984]

Its a warped logic you are using. India has almost the same % of world Muslims population as Pakistan. So India as representative of the Muslim community of the world as Pakistan..

india can never be a representative of the Muslim community like Pakistan.

First of all, india is not an Islamic republic. Secondly, you can never ignore the majority of a nation. How can india ignore 900 million hindus vs 160 million Muslims?

We saw in the Ayodhya Verdict that india will always give into hindu pressure.

Pakistan is the 2nd largest Muslim nation in the world with the 2nd largest Muslim population in the world.

The countries I listed have a higher % muslim population than Pakistan, but lower number of Muslims as an absolute number.

It doesnt matter. I'm talking about the vast majority of a population. Vast majority is anything over 80%. the vast majority of india's population is hindu. Face the reality.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html



Vast majority of Pakistan's, Azerbaijan's Turkey's, population is Muslim.

 

[justanobserver]

india can never be a representative of the Muslim community like Pakistan.

First of all, india is not an Islamic republic.


Pakistan is the 2nd largest Muslim nation in the world with the 2nd largest Muslim population in the world.

But we don't want to 'lead' the Muslim world, we'll do fine as a sovereign democratic country

Does China claim to represent the Buddhist world?

Does USA claim to represent the Christian world?

Similarly we don't claim to represent the Hindu world or Muslim world or whatever

So keep your ummah to yourself, and be the thekedar of muslims

 

[karan.1970]

india can never be a representative of the Muslim community like Pakistan.

First of all, india is not an Islamic republic. Secondly, you can never ignore the majority of a nation. How can india ignore 900 million hindus vs 160 million Muslims?

So are you saying that 160 million Muslims of India mean less to the Muslim society than 170 million Muslims of Pakistan?

We saw in the Ayodhya Verdict that india will always give into hindu pressure.

What we are seeing in Ayodhya case is a judicial process. We are not in a habbit of throwing out our judges if the verdicts are not favourable.

Pakistan is the 2nd largest Muslim nation in the world with the 2nd largest Muslim population in the world.


It doesnt matter. I'm talking about the vast majority of a population. Vast majority is anything over 80%. the vast majority of india's population is hindu. Face the reality.

Vast majority of Pakistan's, Azerbaijan's Turkey's, population is Muslim.

Yes.. So you need to decide whether its the % population that drives the importance or the total number of Muslims.

If its the first, then the countries I mentioned have a higher percentage than Pakistan( I dont think God put in the 80% figure in the scriptures)

If it is second, then India is as important to world's Muslim community as Pakistan

 

[Multani]

Were there sufis in Persia, when they were forcefully converted and most of the Zoroastrians fled to India?
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majority of the Sufis who came to India to convert hindus to Islam were from Persia

For example, I mentioned khaja Muniuddin Chishti radiallahu anhu, the single man, who is responsible for the conversion of 1/4th the Muslim population of all of South Asia from hinduism to Islam.

He was a Persian