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June 28, 2013: Azerbaijan has begun receiving a billion dollars-worth of weapons it ordered from Russia last year. This includes 100 T-90C tanks and high-tech truck mounted multiple rocket launchers. This was in addition to an earlier deal worth over two billion dollars and included S-300 (similar to the U.S. Patriot) air defense systems. The Azeri government says this is all about Armenia and a long-time territorial dispute. But Armenia doesn’t have an air force. It’s really all about Iran.

In addition to over $3 billion worth of Russian weapons, another $1.6 billion worth was ordered from Israel. This preceded the billion dollar Russian order and included a lot of high-tech stuff the Russians cannot provide. This included Gabriel anti-ship missiles, five Heron and five Searcher UAVs, Barak-8 air defense systems (range of ten kilometers), and a Green Pine radar system, which Israel uses for its missile defense system. Green Pine can detect incoming ballistic missiles up to 500 kilometers away but can also spot approaching warplanes. Armenia does not have ballistic missiles, Iran does.

Azerbaijan has been having more and more problems with Iran. Last year, for example, police arrested 22 suspected Iranian agents and accused them of planning terror attacks on American and Israeli targets. Azerbaijan has been chasing down and arresting Iran-backed terrorists and spies for years. This time they discovered that some of the people they arrested had been recruited by Iran, as spies, as far back as 1999. Now Iran is increasingly using terrorism to influence what goes on in Azerbaijan and the Azeri government does not like it.

Iran has long harbored an intense interest in Azerbaijan. This is because most of the Turkic and Moslem Azeris live in Iran. Up until 1813, modern Azerbaijan was part of Iran. Then the Russians showed up. Armenia and Azerbaijan were the last conquests of Russia as it advanced down the Caucasus region (between the Black and Caspian Seas) in the 18th and 19th centuries. The Russians stopped when they ran into the Turkish and Iranian empires, but not before taking a chunk of Azerbaijan from Iran. The Iranians have not forgotten.

In effect, most of "Azerbaijan" is in Iran and Iran has long hoped to reunite all Azeris under their rule. Currently, about a quarter of the Iranian population is Azeri and many have risen to senior positions in the government. Despite that, most Azeris would like all Azeris united in a single Azerbaijan. This is not a popular idea within Iran. The Russians, on the other hand, have come to accept the 1991 loss of Azerbaijan and Armenia.

Iranians, both individually and collectively, have been increasingly aggressive towards Azerbaijan over the last decade. For example, last year hackers calling themselves the Iranian Cyber Army defaced media web sites in Azerbaijan. This was in response to Azerbaijan arresting locals and Iranians for trying to organize terror attacks on Israeli targets. Iran is also unhappy with the growing diplomatic and economic ties Azerbaijan has with Israel. Azerbaijan ordering military equipment from Israeli was very unpopular with Iran, which believes that Israel must be destroyed and that any Islamic state that supports Israel deserves much the same.

Three years ago all this Iranian hostility, and disputes with neighboring Armenia, led oil rich Azerbaijan to increase its defense budget 87 percent to $3.1 billion. That has since increased to $3.7 billion. Nearly half these larger budgets are being spent to modernize the armed forces. A lot of the cash was quietly spent on improved counter-terrorism capabilities. Israel was providing advisors and special equipment to detect and deal with growing Iranian sponsored Islamic terrorism in Azerbaijan. This Israeli connection and especially the growing success of the Azeris in countering Iranian terror efforts has infuriated the Iranians.

Located on the Caspian Sea in the Caucasus, Azerbaijan was part of the Soviet Union until 1991, and much of its military equipment is of Cold War vintage. Azerbaijan is 95 percent Moslem (85 percent Shia) and has some serious territorial disputes with its Christian neighbor Armenia. The two countries have been at each other's throats for nearly two decades because of a land dispute. Although Azerbaijan has three times more people and much more money (because of oil), the Armenians are better soldiers and the dispute has been stalemated. Azerbaijan has a population of nine million and a GPD of $72 billion, compared to 3.2 million Armenians who have a GDP of $10 billion. Azerbaijan is determined to reverse this string of defeats, no matter the cost.

Two years ago Armenia signed a pact with Russia that, in effect, puts it under the protection of Russia. The deal extends the lease on a Russian military base in Armenia from 2020 to 2044. The 3,000 man Russian force in Armenia may be increased and Russia, in effect, guarantees Armenia's security. Armenia needs all the help it can get, as it is a landlocked Christian nation surrounded by three hostile Moslem states (Turkey, Azerbaijan, and Iran). To the north there is Georgia which, while Christian, has its own problems with Russia. This deal makes any major move against Armenia by Azerbaijan very risky. While the Russians want to remain friendly with Azerbaijan, they have definitely taken sides here.

In return for this security Armenia will have to follow Russia's lead in diplomacy and any other area the Russians feel is important. Meanwhile, the Russians will provide new weapons and equipment for the 43,000 troops in the Armenian military and help arm an even larger reserve force.

The only active enemy Armenia has at the moment is Azerbaijan. Both countries continue to disagree over possession of Nagorno-Karabakh, a 4,400 square kilometer district, full of Armenians, surrounded by Azerbaijani territory. Technically, there has been a truce between Armenia and Azerbaijan since 1994. But it has been a hot truce. Between 1991 and 1994 there was a war between the two countries over Nagorno-Karabakh, which Armenia won. Some 20,000 people died and over a million (400,000 Armenians and 700,000 Azerbaijanis) fled their homes as Armenia occupied 31,000 square kilometers of Azerbaijani territory, to connect Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia. Most of the refugees were from areas dominated by one group, who drove out the minority. Some 40,000 Azerbaijani civilians were driven from Nagorno-Karabakh. The situation was humiliating for Azerbaijan, who saw it as yet another example of more powerful and wealthier (via oil fields) ******* being defeated by a smaller number of armed and more capable non-*******.

But Azerbaijan is making a serious effort to create an effective military and revive their economy. Azeri defeats at the hands of better trained, led, and organized Armenian troops were caused, in part, by Azerbaijani corruption and double dealing among themselves. Moreover, the Armenians have a military tradition going back centuries. The Azeris are working hard to redress the military balance, thus the Armenian need for a Russian alliance and the sharp jump in Azeri military spending. But while Armenia only has to worry about one enemy, Azerbaijan has both Armenia and Iran to deal with.

Procurement: Azerbaijan Seeks Security From The Iranian Threat
 
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Perspectives of Iran-Azerbaijan relations: Commentary by Iranian Majlis Research Center

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By Armen Israyelyan, Iranian studies expert

During the election campaign, newly elected Iranian President Hassan Rohani, speaking of Iran’s foreign policy problems and challenges of relations with some neighboring countries, said, “It is not an exaggeration to say that Azerbaijan has become a threat to Iran’s security. The actions taken by some Azerbaijani officials pose threat to Iran’s territorial integrity. Therefore, Iran’s responsible officials should not show indifference to Azerbaijan’s threats.”

On this backdrop, the Iranian Majlis Research Center made a report on Iran-Azerbaijan relations.

The report, published on the official website of the Iranian Majlis, says, in part, “Since the Aliyevs came to power, anti-religious policy was formed in Azerbaijan: they spared no effort to keep the Azerbaijani population away from Shiite self-consciousness and to take the path of political and cultural secularism.”

According to the report, pan-Azeri ideology was formed in Azerbaijan over the past years, which is based on the idea of the Turkish-Azeri nation, and represents it as unit of Azerbaijan’s national identity. To form national unity, the idea of creating “Great Azerbaijan” was put forward, which also includes Azeri-speaking areas of Iran.

“Iran-Azerbaijan relations have cooled over the past years. Azerbaijan strengthened political, economic and cultural ties with the West and Israel during the past years.

This is a serious warning for Iran. All state structures of Iran should realize the processes taking place in Azerbaijan and predict all ways so that they are ready to carry out adequate actions for the fair protection of the national interests of Iran should any of the scenarios be carried out.”

Analyzing the statement of Hassan Rohani and the report of the Iranian Majlis Research Center, we can establish that this is the summary of the past years’ challenges of the bilateral relations which are becoming even greater.

Time will show what kind of position Hassan Rohani will have on Azerbaijan, but in consideration of strategic partnership between Israel and Azerbaijan, Baku’s policy of oppressing Islamic movements, Azerbaijan’s pretensions to Iran’s northern provinces and Iranian culture, the issue of the Caspian Sea status, border incidents and many other issues, an atmosphere of mutual confidence is unlikely to form between Tehran and Baku in the years to come.

Perspectives of Iran-Azerbaijan relations: Commentary by Iranian Majlis Research Center - Comments - Panorama | Armenian news

There you have it Folks the Mutatas are pissed Azeri have become more Azeris/Turks than more 12vers :omghaha:
 
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Saudi Arabia and other GCC state should support Azerbaijan and the non persian ethnic groups in Iran as well. The mullah must be thrown out. People of Iran deserve to live freely.

To be honest 7abibi then we should not really care. Let them for once take action into their own hands. Those Iranians would not even harm a insect if their life depended on it. All cheap talk. In the last 1400 years they have been invaded by one big power after the other and been ruled by one non-Persian family after the other.

We should only support the Arabs and Sunnis if anything. I don't trust those Azeri Shias. We could meddle in Iran like the Iranian wannabe-Arab Mullah's do in our beautiful Arab world but what would we gain? We have nothing to gain from doing anything in Iran. Only a waste of time and resources.

Let all those minorities take matters into their own hands. No foreigners will do it for them or should.

Azerbaijan is so far away from us and the Arab world that it is not really our concern too.

Just my two cents.
 
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Saudi Arabia and other GCC state should support Azerbaijan and the non persian ethnic groups in Iran as well. The mullah must be thrown out. People of Iran deserve to live freely.

Not only that we should recognize Kurdistan as an Independent country. Give them a seat in the OIC and support and build embassies in Hawler. We should support them militarily. The Mutatas will shut their mouths in a week.

"Iran warns Iraqi Kurdistan against thinking about independence or closer ties with Turkey"
Iran warns Iraqi Kurdistan against thinking about independence or closer ties with Turkey
 
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Saudi Arabia and other GCC state should support Azerbaijan and the non persian ethnic groups in Iran as well. The mullah must be thrown out. People of Iran deserve to live freely.

well being anti iranian government system
and supporting ethnics to be anti persian ... there are two very different matters

by the way, Khamenei is Azeri . he is the big boss of Iran.

:rofl:
 
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While Turkey remains Azerbaijan’s chief strategic partner, officials in Baku are taking steps to upgrade relations with Pakistan. The diplomatic push is part of Baku’s plan to bolster its hand in its dealings over the future of Nagorno-Karabakh.

The past few months have seen lots of diplomatic contacts, with officials and experts on both sides hyping bilateral relations. At a conference in Islamabad in early May, Baku’s ambassador to Islamabad, Dashgin Shikarov, described Azerbaijan and Pakistan as “brothers.” Meanwhile, Bahar Muradova, the Azerbaijani parliament’s deputy speaker, was quoted by the state news agency AzerTag in mid-May as saying that Baku “has always felt Pakistan`s support on many issues.”

The fundamental building block of the bilateral relationship is military cooperation. The two countries signed a defense agreement in late January and naval officers subsequently held discussions on military-technical issues. In addition, Azerbaijani naval personnel participated in a Pakistani-led exercise, Aman-2013, held in March on the Arabian Sea.

Pakistan is also seen as a potential arms supplier to Baku. Over the past few years, for instance, Azerbaijan has shown interest in obtaining JF-17 aircraft, a multi-purpose combat jet developed jointly by Pakistan and China.

Attempts to broaden ties aren’t limited to the strategic sphere. In late May, Baku announced that it would offer scholarships for 36 Pakistani scholars and would set up programs at Pakistani Universities to promote a better understanding of Azerbaijan.

But officials in both countries don’t try to hide the fact that strategic expediency that is driving the two countries together: Baku wants to muster all the backing it can as it strives to recover Nagorno-Karabakh, while Pakistan feels the same about the contested territory of Kashmir.

“These are two Muslim states, having similar problems like Kashmir and Nagorno-Karabakh. They need the support of each other,” said Sarwat Rauf, a doctoral candidate who specializes on Caspian Basin affairs at Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad.

Pakistan was among the first states to recognize Azerbaijan’s independence following the 1991 Soviet collapse. Conversely, Islamabad hasn’t yet formally recognized Armenia, Baku’s arch-rival.

Both sides may sound optimistic about the strategic relationship, but at present there appears to be a significant limitation on how far it can go, specifically Azerbaijan’s strong security ties with Israel. Pakistan does not have diplomatic relations with Israel and clearly feels uncomfortable about Baku’s strategic ties to Tel Aviv. In 2012, Pakistani officials urged Azerbaijani leaders to form a formal military alliance, a gesture that some analysts interpreted as a move by Islamabad designed to undermine Azerbaijani-Israeli ties. Azerbaijan has reacted cautiously to the Pakistani offer, as it clearly wants to keep its strategic options open.

The current level of cooperation is beneficial enough for both sides, said Richard Giragosian, director of the Regional Studies Center, a Yerevan based think tank. “For Pakistan, the alliance with Azerbaijan offers a degree of recognition of Pakistan’s bid or become a more active, assertive and powerful regional actor, while conveniently responding to its rival India’s close ties to Armenia,” Giragosian said. “For Azerbaijan, Pakistan is also an important diplomatic supporter and more recently, as key military partner.”

Pakistan’s status as a nuclear power, combined with its delicate internal political balance, makes Giragosian nervous that closer Azerbaijani-Pakistani relations could cause trouble in the South Caucasus. “Given the record of criminal activity over Pakistan’s A.Q. Khan network of black market selling and sharing of nuclear weapons-related technology, there is … serious concern over proliferation in a region already troubled by Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons,” he said.

Jasur Sumerinli, head of the Baku-based Doktrina military-research center, downplayed the idea that stronger Azerbaijani-Pakistani security ties heightened the risk of destabilization in the Caucasus. “[Bilateral] cooperation is built with the blessing of the Western community,” he said.

Source: Azerbaijan: Courting Enhanced Pakistani Support | EurasiaNet.org

(Not directly related but since its PDF :D)
 
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To be honest 7abibi then we should not really care. Let them for once take action into their own hands. Those Iranians would not even harm a insect if their life depended on it. All cheap talk. In the last 1400 years they have been invaded by one big power after the other and been ruled by one non-Persian family after the other.

We should only support the Arabs and Sunnis if anything. I don't trust those Azeri Shias. We could meddle in Iran like the Iranian wannabe-Arab Mullah's do in our beautiful Arab world but what would we gain? We have nothing to gain from doing anything in Iran. Only a waste of time and resources.

Let all those minorities take matters into their own hands. No foreigners will do it for them or should.

Azerbaijan is so far away from us and the Arab world that it is not really our concern too.

Just my two cents.

we must put a limit to their Intervention in the arab world by ruining their state in return.... take a look around the arab world see what I mean. P.S Azerbaijan doesn't have that mullah mentality does it?
 
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To be honest 7abibi then we should not really care. Let them for once take action into their own hands. Those Iranians would not even harm a insect if their life depended on it. All cheap talk. In the last 1400 years they have been invaded by one big power after the other and been ruled by one non-Persian family after the other.

We should only support the Arabs and Sunnis if anything. I don't trust those Azeri Shias. We could meddle in Iran like the Iranian wannabe-Arab Mullah's do in our beautiful Arab world but what would we gain? We have nothing to gain from doing anything in Iran. Only a waste of time and resources.

Let all those minorities take matters into their own hands. No foreigners will do it for them or should.

Azerbaijan is so far away from us and the Arab world that it is not really our concern too.

Just my two cents.

Azeris from Azerbaijani are tolerant people. They are not the like the 12vers in the rest of the world. Most of them. You will rarely see flesh grinding and Mattam Head Banging in Azerbaijan during Ashura like you see in the rest of the world. They don't know much about Islam in general. BTW They are open to learning about the Authentic Islam from the Sunnah :angel: and many of become proper Sunnah Muslims. Alot of the Turkish Sunni Imams go there to make people become Sunni Muslims.

well being anti iranian government system
and supporting ethnics to be anti persian ... there are two very different matters

by the way, Khamenei is Azeri . he is the big boss of Iran.

:rofl:

I thought he was an Arab? Why does he a have black tire head when he isn't even an Arab?
 
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we must put a limit to their Intervention in the arab world by ruining their state in return.... take a look around the arab world see what I mean. P.S Azerbaijan doesn't have that mullah mentality does it?

Do we want to take the route of the Iranian Mullah's? What have they gained in our world? Their influence is gone in Yemen and was always small. No influence in the remaining Arabian Peninsula or Arab world. Just look at Bahrain which is the only Shia majority Arab country together with Iraq. It is now a Saudi province.

Iraq was always doomed, especially the Shia areas. They are Iranian Mullah puppets. Nothing new. Let them continue to be that. The Iraqi Sunni Arabs will not be such puppets so we should support them instead.

Oh, apart from tiny Southern Lebanon. That's all. 2 tiny areas and Southern Iraq. Let them deal with their own mess really. I want nothing to do with them since they are servants of the Mullah's and cannot be trusted.

I don't know about Azerbaijan. I hear that they are the least Muslim country of all.

Anyway I don't know really. As I see it then the Mullah's are on loan anyway.
 
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Azeris from Azerbaijani are tolerant people. They are not the like the 12vers in the rest of the world. Most of them. You will rarely see flesh grinding and Mattam Head Banging in Azerbaijan during Ashura like you see in the rest of the world. They don't know much about Islam in general. BTW They are open to learning about the Authentic Islam from the Sunnah :angel: and many of become proper Sunnah Muslims. Alot of the Turkish Sunni Imams go there to make people become Sunni Muslims.

Thats what I exactly meant to say in my OP......
 
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Do we want to take the route of the Iranian Mullah's? What have they gained in our world? Their influence is gone in Yemen and was always small. No influence in the remaining Arabian Peninsula or Arab world. Just look at Bahrain which is the only Shia majority Arab country together with Iraq. It is now a Saudi province.

Iraq was always doomed, especially the Shia areas. They are Iranian Mullah puppets. Nothing new. Let them continue to be that. The Iraqi Sunni Arabs will not be such puppets so we should support them instead.

Oh, apart from tiny Lebanon. That's all. 2 tiny areas and Southern Iraq. Let them deal with their own mess really. I want nothing to do with them since they are servants of the Mullah's and cannot be trusted.

I don't know about Azerbaijan. I hear that they are the least Muslim country of all.

Anyway I don't know really. As I see it then the Mullah's are on loan anyway.

I beg to differ, Iraq took a divorce from Iran as soon as they got rid of Saddam. You should not really downplay the Arab/ Persian phenomenon :D
 
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let everyone in the region, especially these backward arabs, live in fear. i have no problems with azeris though. its a shame that, considering our cultural, religious and historical links, the relations are tensioned.

its a great thing that we are meddling in arabs killing arabs in the region.
 
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Azeris from Azerbaijani are tolerant people. They are not the like the 12vers in the rest of the world. Most of them. You will rarely see flesh grinding and Mattam Head Banging in Azerbaijan during Ashura like you see in the rest of the world. They don't know much about Islam in general. BTW They are open to learning about the Authentic Islam from the Sunnah :angel: and many of become proper Sunnah Muslims. Alot of the Turkish Sunni Imams go there to make people become Sunni Muslims.



I thought he was an Arab? Why does he a have black tire head when he isn't even an Arab?

Well it that is the case that is great but what do you propose that we Arabs should do? Meddle in Iran just because their moronic and heretic Wannabe-Arab clerics do it? Then we won't be any better ourselves.

Once the minorities in Iran take matters into their own hand we can support them.

Regarding Azeris and Azerbaijan then I don't really know much about them. Never been there or met any Azeri. All I know is that some Azeris are fighting on the Syrian opposition side in Syria.

In short I will not trust them since 90% of them are members of the Twelver sect.
 
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I thought he was an Arab? Why does he a have black tire head when he isn't even an Arab?
this discussion already occured in this forum
he is from safavid, so fake ones ...
safavids fabricated evidence they are from Ali descendant. well this is not important at all anyway but that'(s the meaning of it
 
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