Azerbaijan, Nigeria interested in JF-17 aircraft, other defence products: president

[Maarkhoor]

Hi,

Your's and my credible source MEAN NOTHING----regarding re-export of RD93---. Maybe it is not RD93---maybe it is the chinese---and other air forces do not have any problems with the chinese engine due to chinese guarantess---.

Again not a single proof or evidence available that JF-17 is fitted with Chinese engines since WS-13 is smokeless and all the new video we have proves that JF-17 is flying with some smokey engines.

 

[Genghis khan1]

bigger engine will result in a bigger plane which means that you will have to stretch the fuselage and wings and even the vertical tail. it will literally make it a new plane which is not feasible and will cost $ millions.

JF-17 and F-16 both are almost the same size, yet JF-17 is using a weak 84.6 kN (19,000 lbf) while F-16 is using 32,500 lbf (145 kN) engine.

 

[punit]

ISLAMABAD: President Mamnoon Hussain has said that Azerbaijan and Nigeria are interested in purchasing Pakistani defence products, including the upgraded JF-17 fighter aircraft.

“Azerbaijan and Nigeria will soon become buyers of Pakistani products,” he said during a meeting with a delegation of Rawalpindi Chamber of Commerce and Industry (RCCI) at the Presidency.

He said Nigeria had expressed its desire to buy Pakistani defence products, including JF-17 Thunder and Mashaq aircraft.

Referring to his recent visit to Azerbaijan, the president said he had discussed ways of enhancing cooperation between the two countries in different areas.

He said Azerbaijan did not allow foreign banks to operate unless they show $50 million as equity but at his request it had allowed the National Bank of Pakistan to function with $10 million of equity.

“Exporters should benefit from such developments in friendly countries,” he said.

Talking about the government’s economic policies, the president said the priority was to extend all possible facilities to business community. “Reduction of power tariff by Rs3 per unit for industrial sector is a part of this facilitation process,” he added.

The government has been in constant contact with the business community to address different issues in cooperation with them. “The country’s exports have witnessed increase consequent to the facilities extended by the government to the business community,” he said.

The Ministry of Commerce has approved a three-year policy framework after consultation with all stakeholders to promote business activities and bring an end to unemployment.

He said restoration of law and order was inevitable for stabilising economy and enhancing trade activities in the country, adding that measures were being taken to eradicate terrorism. He reiterated the government’s resolve to continue the Zarb-i-Azb military operation and uproot terrorism.

The president said the government was determined to end the energy crisis. “Construction of dams has been started and the government was taking full advantage of solar energy,” he said.

Urging the business community to enhance exports, the president said the government had signed free trade agreements with a number of countries and now the business community should benefit from all the agreements to boost exports.

“Recent 21 per cent increase in exports to the European Union is encouraging.”

Published in Dawn, January 9th, 2016

good to know! its raining customers for JF 17!

 

[hacker J]

JF-17 and F-16 both are almost the same size, yet JF-17 is using a weak 84.6 kN (19,000 lbf) while F-16 is using 32,500 lbf (145 kN) engine.

sir what will be the avionics suit onboard jf 17 export version m sure it will not be same as jf 17 on paf.. KLJ 07 radar is very weak plus it has no lightning pod as of now even paf willl be replacing it very soon so can you tell what a exported block 1 jf 17 will look like ?

 

[Dazzler]

JF-17 and F-16 both are almost the same size, yet JF-17 is using a weak 84.6 kN (19,000 lbf) while F-16 is using 32,500 lbf (145 kN) engine.

Yes it does, but the 117S is a much bigger engine suitable for bigger aircraft.

 

[araz]

Why not Saturn 117S (AL-41F1S) or any other Russian engine in similar class. RD-93 is the modified version of Mig's RD-33. Why not modify something more powerful.

Bhai
What do youthink will happen if I put the engine of an S class 600 in to Suzuki Alto. Planes are designed around engines so hte engine is too big for the plane. The plane will simply disintegrate in the air when thrust is applied.
Araz

The evolution of PAF's JF-17 Thunder fighter jet continues. Latest images from China suggest that In Flight Refueling (IFR) probe is being tested on board along with additional sensors which possibly is a Missile Approaching Warning (MAW) sensor.
Here are few pics of production unit 229 (which means 29th plane of Block II). This also shows that PAF is pushing for inducting JF-17s in numbers. Block-2 will be followed by planned Block-3 in which Thunder will go through massive evolution by incorporating technologies like AESA radar, IRST and a pure digital FBW instead of the current hybrid one.
No matter the taste being good or bad but now we will have to chew this chewing gum for a damn long time, so let's enjoy(but just don't start stating it as the best chewing gum of the world).
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That according to multiple posters on various posters are night time lights to facilitate IFR . it is not MAWS
Araz

 

[hacker J]

in order to accomodate a bigger engine you need
1. new bigger fuselage design
2. bigger intakes
3. bigger tail wings
4. new fly by wire system for additonal weight n drag control
in short you need a whole new aircraft here you are talking about increased 40 KN of force god may bless you if u fit that into current jf 17

 

[araz]

I was talking about increasing internal fuel capacity via. losing weight by composites... so that our fighters do not have to carry fuel tanks for short to medium range sorties... as a result we will have greater probability of having free hps for greater number of sorties... means greater munitions carried...

That statement of yours is wrong .You cannot increase internal fuel capacity bu incorporating composites. You can reduce weifght with use of composites whihc would allow the same plane with the same engine and fuel capacity to fly further. Just thought i would point it out.
Araz

JF-17 and F-16 both are almost the same size, yet JF-17 is using a weak 84.6 kN (19,000 lbf) while F-16 is using 32,500 lbf (145 kN) engine.

Due to lack of a suitable engine. You need to remember that the Chinese even to this date do not have a single engine that is being mass produced (not even WS10!!) in large enough numbers. The western engines have the same problems of sanctions and price and our dpendance on them. The JFT was initially flown with 9 hardpoints but subsequently reduced to 7 due to constraints. We have also had an argument about whether you need a bomb truck or do you need a quick entry-deploy-return aircraft with good serviceability. There are a lot of other variables which need ot be considered which we are unaware of . If you want a bombtruck you need to get a heavy like SU 35/J11or16.
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[MastanKhan]

Again not a single proof or evidence available that JF-17 is fitted with Chinese engines since WS-13 is smokeless and all the new video we have proves that JF-17 is flying with some smokey engines.

So---there is no evidence----it is not a big deal---. Go to you tiube and see some videos of eurofighter----you will see a trail of smoke coming out.

in order to accomodate a bigger engine you need
1. new bigger fuselage design
2. bigger intakes
3. bigger tail wings
4. new fly by wire system for additonal weight n drag control
in short you need a whole new aircraft here you are talking about increased 40 KN of force god may bless you if u fit that into current jf 17

Hi,

Your information is outdated---.

Modern aircraft are MODULAR designs----they are NOT BUILT around an engine---as they used to do it in the past---long time ago.

Today's design allows the manufacturer to produce an aircraft that can use multiple engines of the SIMILAR CLASS with little modifications.

As the chinese engine for the JF 17 was already in the development phase---it was very simple to plan its mounting brackets ahead of time.

Has this idea come from car makers---possibly---because in the 80's you could get a Ford Mustang with a 4 cyl---6 cyl or a 8 cyl engine-----there was no modification needed to the body or the frame---just a stronger suspension---.

Similarly---the Audi A4 is available with a 4 cyl---a 6 cyl and used to have an S4 with an 8 cyl-----and same with audi A6.

Many a regular cars have the option of a bolt on 4 cyl or a 6 cyl on the same chasis---.

Even though in the autombiles---some engines with outrageous power can be installed----in the fighter aircraft---it is not done that way.

Gripen went to a more powerful engine---minor modifications---no major structural changes for the engine----but for the wheels moved outwards to give more fuel capacity in the fuel tank.

 

[Ultima Thule]

JF-17 and F-16 both are almost the same size, yet JF-17 is using a weak 84.6 kN (19,000 lbf) while F-16 is using 32,500 lbf (145 kN) engine.

Only block-60 F-16 is using (145 kn) 32,500 lbf engine not all, block-52 uses P&W engine with a thrust of 29000 lbfand also remember that JF-17 designed as light weight cheap fighter that replace our old mirages and F-7 with relatively advance capability, where as F-16 lie medium weight category, so why you think that put a engine of medium weight fighter to a light weight fighter? If this will happened that plane will not be a variant of a JF-17 but a totally new design

 

[hacker J]

So---there is no evidence----it is not a big deal---. Go to you tiube and see some videos of eurofighter----you will see a trail of smoke coming out.



Hi,

Your information is outdated---.

Modern aircraft are MODULAR designs----they are NOT BUILT around an engine---as they used to do it in the past---long time ago.

Today's design allows the manufacturer to produce an aircraft that can use multiple engines of the SIMILAR CLASS with little modifications.

As the chinese engine for the JF 17 was already in the development phase---it was very simple to plan its mounting brackets ahead of time.

Has this idea come from car makers---possibly---because in the 80's you could get a Ford Mustang with a 4 cyl---6 cyl or a 8 cyl engine-----there was no modification needed to the body or the frame---just a stronger suspension---.

Similarly---the Audi A4 is available with a 4 cyl---a 6 cyl and used to have an S4 with an 8 cyl-----and same with audi A6.

Many a regular cars have the option of a bolt on 4 cyl or a 6 cyl on the same chasis---.

Even though in the autombiles---some engines with outrageous power can be installed----in the fighter aircraft---it is not done that way.

Gripen went to a more powerful engine---minor modifications---no major structural changes for the engine----but for the wheels moved outwards to give more fuel capacity in the fuel tank.

sorry my info is outdated then here is something for you its fighter jet we are talking about not a car they are much more complex technologies first of all and you said it for urself they can use different engines BUT OF BLOODY SAME CLASS
the engines you were talking about is rd 93 max thrust 89 KN and ws 117 max thrust around 140 KN are you insane how the hell are both engines in the same class your talking about increasing 50 KN of force without any change in the design cummon man where is your knowledge of physics and technology you are out of your mind truly
and what i said earlier is something you can learn by tejas mk2 which is not able to fly with GE F 414 engine even it has improved thrust of just 10 KN but the airframe has to go major changes just to occupy bigger engine dude

lastly brother modular design mean the aircraft is open to newer technologies and newer weapons with sofware upgrades like radars,ir jammers,maw,sensor suit,cockpit design,pods,guided mutitions it dosent mean that you can cange an engine with extra so much KN just for you(f 7 that paf fly uses a engine with 64 KN force in after burner) so think you are adding alost that much power with no changes in design god may bless ur soul if you dont agree with me may be some senior memers can convince you but first bro you get updated before commenting

 

[JamD]

Only block-60 F-16 is using (145 kn) 32,500 lbf engine not all, block-52 uses P&W engine with a thrust of 29000 lbfand also remember that JF-17 designed as light weight cheap fighter that replace our old mirages and F-7 with relatively advance capability, where as F-16 lie medium weight category, so why you think that put a engine of medium weight fighter to a light weight fighter? If this will happened that plane will not be a variant of a JF-17 but a totally new design

That's an increase of 50% in thrust. I sincerely hope not and doubt the engineers of the jf17 kept a factor of safety of 1.5+ while designing the structure of the aircraft.
Maybe, perhaps just maybe they have designed it so that additional structural members can be added without much modification to support the additional loads. But this is again very very unlikely. Its an aircraft not a patang, that one can use chaypee

 

[MastanKhan]

sorry my info is outdated then here is something for you its fighter jet we are talking about not a car they are much more complex technologies first of all and you said it for urself they can use different engines BUT OF BLOODY SAME CLASS
the engines you were talking about is rd 93 max thrust 89 KN and ws 117 max thrust around 140 KN are you insane how the hell are both engines in the same class your talking about increasing 50 KN of force without any change in the design cummon man where is your knowledge of physics and technology you are out of your mind truly
and what i said earlier is something you can learn by tejas mk2 which is not able to fly with GE F 414 engine even it has improved thrust of just 10 KN but the airframe has to go major changes just to occupy bigger engine dude

lastly brother modular design mean the aircraft is open to newer technologies and newer weapons with sofware upgrades like radars,ir jammers,maw,sensor suit,cockpit design,pods,guided mutitions it dosent mean that you can cange an engine with extra so much KN just for you(f 7 that paf fly uses a engine with 64 KN force in after burner) so think you are adding alost that much power with no changes in design god may bless ur soul if you dont agree with me may be some senior memers can convince you but first bro you get updated before commenting

Hi,

The engine that you are talking about was not designed for the JF17----.

If you read my post again---it refers to the " chinese engine that was being readied for the JF17 "---for that engine---it has a bolt on solution already provided.

Now as for for modular design---it is not for only electronics gadgets only---even houses have modules and offices as well---the pre---fabricated ones---then there are toilet modules as well---and modular space provided for engines and transmissions as well.

In the 90's---Ford came out with their famous 4.6 Liter V 8 and a 6.8 Liter V10----they were known as the " modular " engines---. Even space station has modules.

Welcome to the world kid---.

 

[Goenitz]

1.5+ while

1.07 is normal or too heavy....or 1 ton aircraft becomes 1.5 ton..

 

[hacker J]

Hi,

The engine that you are talking about was not designed for the JF17----.

If you read my post again---it refers to the " chinese engine that was being readied for the JF17 "---for that engine---it has a bolt on solution already provided.

Now as for for modular design---it is not for only electronics gadgets only---even houses have modules and offices as well---the pre---fabricated ones---then there are toilet modules as well---and modular space provided for engines and transmissions as well.

In the 90's---Ford came out with their famous 4.6 Liter V 8 and a 6.8 Liter V10----they were known as the " modular " engines---. Even space station has modules.

Welcome to the world kid---.

@ MASTERKHAN




brother you are desperatly trying to proof your point.. i agree madular design has open architecture and amendments for for engines,intakes can be made but please rethink can you really belive without changing just with bolt solution you can fit that lager engine ?? is only for engines upgrades like for f 16...



The initial powerplant selected for the single-engined F-16 was the pratt ant witney 100 FW 200 afterburning engines, a modified version of the F-15's F100-PW-100, rated at 23,830 lbf (106.0 kN) thrust. During testing, the engine was found to be prone to compressor stalls and "rollbacks," wherein the engine's thrust would spontaneously reduce to idle. Until resolved, the Air Force ordered F-16s to be operated within dead stick landing distance of its bases. It was the standard F-16 engine through the Block 25, except for new-build Block 15s with the Operational Capability Upgrade (OCU). The OCU introduced the 23,770 lbf (105.7 kN) F100-PW-220, later installed on Block 32 and 42 aircraft: the main advance being a Digital Electronic Engine Control (DEEC) unit, which improved reliability and reduced stall occurrence. Beginning production in 1988, the "-220" also supplanted the F-15's "-100", for commonality. Many of the "-220" engines on Block 25 and later aircraft were upgraded from 1997 onwards to the "-220E" standard, which enhanced reliability and maintainability; unscheduled engine removals were reduced by 35%.

The F100-PW-220/220E was the result of the USAF's Alternate Fighter Engine (AFE) program (colloquially known as "the Great Engine War"), which also saw the entry of General Electric as an F-16 engine provider. Its F 110 GE turbofan was limited by the original inlet to thrust of 25,735 lbf (114.5 kN), the Modular Common Inlet Duct allowed the F110 to achieve its maximum thrust of 28,984 lbf (128.9 kN). (To distinguish between aircraft equipped with these two engines and inlets, from the Block 30 series on, blocks ending in "0" (e.g., Block 30) are powered by GE, and blocks ending in "2" (e.g., Block 32) are fitted with Pratt & Whitney engines.)

The Increased Performance Engine (IPE) program led to the 29,588 lbf (131.6 kN) F110-GE-129 on the Block 50 and 29,160 lbf (129.4 kN) F100-PW-229 on the Block 52. F-16s began flying with these IPE engines in the early 1990s. Altogether, of the 1,446 F-16C/Ds ordered by the USAF, 556 were fitted with F100-series engines and 890 with F110s.The United Arab Emirates’ Block 60 is powered by the General Electric F110-GE-132 turbofan with a maximum thrust of 32,500 lbf (144.6 kN), the highest thrust engine developed for the F-16

you don,t change the engines completely ok above is all you answers how a modular design and engines are compatible..or made compatible.

again cars and aircrafts are totally different and as you said i read some things on 1980 cares ford mustang,pinto,orion etc they definitely come with v6 later v8 engines but sir fighter plane is totally different complex design and read about mustang specially it had to go under changed suspension , transmission system and shaft to accommodate lager and powerful engine v8 although made other changes were also made to better its performance