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your false accusations are a very pashinyan-esqe. As false as your false claims about this deal.

All the main stay in this thread knows who you are. Your ways of texting is very telling and hard to miss..

This thread is non-active nowadays but I expect you to change username again and start spamming the main forum with the daily multiple thread creation. Back to the usual
 
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All the main stay in this thread knows who you are. Your ways of texting is very telling and hard to miss..

This thread is non-active nowadays but I expect you to change username again and start spamming the main forum with the daily multiple thread creation. Back to the usual

we there you go again. Spreading lies jsut like you do regarding the peace deal. This is the ultimate trolling.

the only reason you would be so invested in a dealt hat gives Armenia 90% of NK is because you are an Armenian pashinyan supporter. There is no crime in that. But you are trolling us all with your false accusation against me and you wanting a free trade Armenia as a thank you for its crimes. Shame on you
 
Nagorno-Karabakh: Ethnic Armenians prepare to give up homes


A sombre mood sweeps across the Kelbajar region, as ethnic Armenians return territory to Azerbaijan as part of peace deal.
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Karine Chakhelyan, outside her home in Kelbajar, says she feels she is being driven out 'like cattle' [Neil Hauer/Al Jazeera]


Kelbajar, Azerbaijan – A small congregation gathered around the apse of the church. The priest sang the traditional hymn, in classical Armenian, as he raised a small cross to the heads of the two women in front of him. He flicked holy water onto their foreheads, completing the ritual.

“My sister and I had never been baptised,” said Lucie Hayrabedyan, 32. “We live in Yerevan, but we are from Artsakh,” she said, using the Armenian name for the Nagorno-Karabakh region.

“When we heard it would be given to [Azerbaijan], we decided to come while we still could,” she added.

This was the scene on Thursday at the Dadivank monastery, a millennium-old religious complex in the mountains of northern Nagorno-Karabakh.

Under the terms of a ceasefire agreement signed between Armenia and Azerbaijan on Tuesday, several ethnic Armenian-dominated regions would be handed back to Azerbaijan.


a medieval cemetery of thousands of ornate Armenian khachkars – finely-carved gravestones.

In the late nineties, Armenia accused Azerbaijan of destroying khachkars, a claim Baku denied.

Dadivank’s clergy are insistent they will protect their church.

“We will not allow them to destroy [this church],” said Father Hovhannes, the head priest of the complex.

He has served at Dadivank for a quarter-century. He gained fame on the first day of the new war, September 27, when an official Armenian government Twitter account posted a picture of him holding a cross and a rifle, above the caption “Faith & Power!”

By the time of publishing, Azerbaijan’s foreign ministry had not responded to Al Jazeera’s request for comment.


Elsewhere in the area, civilians prepared for the exodus.

Karine Chakhalyan, 54, was packing up her house in the town of Kelbajar, known by ethnic Armenians as Karvachar.

“They called us from Yerevan [on Tuesday] and said, ‘You have five days [to leave]’,” she said. “Five days. What are we going to do? Where are we going to go?”

Chakalyan has lived in Kelbajar for 26 years. Her family moved to the town from their original home in Sumgait, after anti-Armenian riots in 1988.

“I remember [the violence] like it was yesterday,” she said. “My grandparents were killed, my brother was killed, my sister, too. I left with my parents, to Yerevan.”

After a few years there, she relocated to Kelbajar.

“[The government] gave us a house in Kelbajar,” she said, “but it was almost ruined. It didn’t even have a roof. We built this all with our own hands.”

Some of her six sons, who recently returned from the front line, filter in and out of the house, packing bags with Kalashnikovs slung over their backs.

“I have 10 children,” says Chakalyan. “All six of my sons served in the army. One of them didn’t come back. I don’t even know where his grave is.”

While Azerbaijanis were forced to leave Kelbajar during the war in the nineties, which saw both sides commit atrocities, Armenians were slowly settled there over the following decades.

Exact statistics are hard to come by but more than 3,000 people reportedly live in the Kelbajar region.

It remains unclear exactly what will happen to Armenian civilians in Kelbajar. The official text of the tripartite deal signed by the leaders of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia makes no mention of whether civilians need to vacate the area or not.

Meanwhile, some residents are hedging their bets.

“Right now, we are only taking the things that can be stolen,” said Nikolai, a 34-year old Kelbajar resident as he loaded a sack onto his truck.

“We don’t want to leave here. We are hoping to come back.”

Local officials also seem uncertain on what will occur on Sunday.

Nikolai said the mayor of Kelbajar called him the previous day, telling him not to burn his house and that they would be able to stay.

In other areas of Kelbajar, ethnic Armenians are burning their homes in anger, so that any future residents cannot use them.

In the village of Dadivank, just below the monastery, one villager was filmed by the BBC as he burned his home before leaving for Armenia.

Father Hovhannes intends to stay at the monastery.

“I cannot predict what will happen [on November 15], but I will stay with my parish,” he said. “I will stay at my church.”

For Chakhalyan, the seemingly imminent exodus is just the latest in the cycle of her life.

“Sumgait was not enough for them,” she said. “My sister and brother were not enough for them.

“Now [the Azerbaijanis] are driving us out from here, too. Like cattle.”


Kelbajar region, including Dadivank, would be the first – returned by Sunday, November 15.

Kelbajar is located in the northwest of Nagorno-Karabakh, the region that is inside Azerbaijan’s borders but has been run by ethnic Armenians following the breakup of the Soviet Union.



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The Dadivank monastery is a millennium-old religious complex in the mountains of northern Nagorno-Karabakh [Neil Hauer/Al Jazeera]While the core of Nagorno-Karabakh was dominated by ethnic Armenians, Kelbajar was an overwhelmingly Azerbaijani-populated area. It was captured by Armenian forces in April 1993, the local population expelled.


Dozens had arrived from Yerevan, Armenia’s capital, to pay what might be their last respects to the church before it comes under Azerbaijani control.

It was a sombre scene, with worshippers wiping away tears after making the sign of the cross on their chest and forehead. Many fear for the church’s continued existence.

“Of course they will destroy it,” said Vahram, 35, who had fought on the front lines of the latest conflict, a 44-day affair that saw scores of civilians killed on both sides.

“They are erasing our history,” he said. “You know what they did to Julfa,” he added, referencing

Armenians flee homes as Azerbaijan takeover looms

 
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Want to ask something. Willl this be the map of Nagorno Karabakh after the peace deal? Cause is it is true Azerbaijan lost a war in table which they have won on ground and a victory for Armenia.


That is roughly the map. But No one knows for sure until Russians fully deploy. And the Armenian area is now protected by Russia for decades to come.

So it’s up to all of us to interpret is this is a good deal or bad

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Seems Aliyev rushed to sign the deal without realizing the consequence;
- Northern part of Karabakh remains outside of Azerbaijani control.
- Lachin now is being controlled by Russia. In essence now there would be two occupiers of Azerbaijani territory. Thousands of Russian troops are now deployed within Azerbaijan's territory. They were not there before.
- Even after 5 years, if Russian peace keepers do leave, nowhere does it states that, the corridor will automatically go under Azerbaijani control. This leaves room open for Armenian claim.
- In future a pro-Moscow regime in Armenia can block the road thru it's mainland to Nakchivan anytime on security ground. Russia will be obliged to go along as Russia guarantees security of Armenian mainland.
- Not much role for Turkey other than monitoring remotely. No Turkish boots will be on the ground.
- Armenia did not loose any area from it's mainland.
Deal should have been signed a little bit later after entire Karabakh region was recovered which would have fallen soon anyway. This may be a small victory for Azerbaijan but also a loss as well. It gave up the opportunity for its forces in the ground to win a comprehensive victory and recover all of Karabakh and instead allowed Russia to deploy it's troops within it's territory.

I think you're missing the fact that if Azerbaijan refused to sign that treaty, it would've been at war with Russia. That is what compelled Alivey to sign this treaty, in my view.

Additionally, Azerbaijan liberated 7 regions + parts of Nagorno-Karabagh. They have also gained access to their other autonomous republic through Armenia.

Azerbaijan also avoided a major war with Russia that could've brought a huge destruction to mainland Azerbaijan and its economy.

Let us not forget the final status of negotiations to resolve this conflict hasn't finalized. Those are planned for a future date. I think Azerbaijanis insisting direct access to their autonomous republic is added to the treaty, so if the Armenians want to continue their territorial claim on Karabagh, they'll need to plan for a territorial swap, meaning Azerbaijan wants to have direct territorial connection to Nakhchivan autonomous region, and Armenians will have to prepare for that if they want to have any hope for any claim on Karabagh.

Erdogan (Turkey) and Putin (Russia) are also gearing up for interventionist Biden, so they wanted this conflict to come to an end.

To sum it up, Armenia saved itself from a total defeat once it went back to the Russian orbit. For Azerbaijan, they won on many fronts:

1. Azerbaijan got 7 regions liberated + parts of Karabagh;
2. Direct ccess to Nakhchivan;
3. Saved its economy from the total destruction had it continued the war - this time with Russia;
4. Russian and Turkish commitment to the final negotiations on final status of this conflict including Armenian claim on Karabagh and Azerbajian claim on the territory between Azerbaijan mainland and Nakhchivan autonomous Republic.

In my view, Aliyev and Turkey have this thing in the bug. They won big. Russian troops this time in Karabagh under the guise of "peacekeepers" is troublesome, but that is a price to pay when they're the regional superpower. Turkey also has also proven its power and influence in this war. At the end, the final negotiations are intended to sort out the claims of both Armenia and Azerbaijan, and both Turkey and Russia will have a presence in Karabagh.
 
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That is roughly the map. But No one knows for sure until Russians fully deploy. And the Armenian area is now protected by Russia for decades to come.
So it’s up to all of us to interpret is this is a good deal or bad
if Armenia got what is was looking for then what was this hue and cry across Armenia. Why Armenians are burning their homes before leaving that area, Arminians are confined to one major city in the area and the rest will be vacated for Azerbaijan.
Russian intervened to save the christens who were brought from all over the world to settle in the area, now they have to leave the area and return back. only the previously living Armenians will be allowed to live in the area. and Azerbaijan citizens who were forced to leave the area in 1990 will have the right to return to their homes. so there will be no Armenia citizens in the NK, they have to live as minority Azwebaijan citizens in Azerbaijan.
 
I think you're missing the fact that if Azerbaijan refused to sign that treaty, it would've been at war with Russia. That is what compelled Alivey to sign this treaty, in my view.

Additionally, Azerbaijan liberated 7 regions + parts of Nagorno-Karabagh. They have also gained access to their other autonomous republic through Armenia.

Azerbaijan also avoided a major war with Russia that could've brought a huge destruction to mainland Azerbaijan and its economy.

Let us not forget the final status of negotiations to resolve this conflict hasn't finalized. Those are planned for a future date. I think Azerbaijanis insisting direct access to their autonomous republic is added to the treaty, so if the Armenians want to continue their territorial claim on Karabagh, they'll need to plan for a territorial swap, meaning Azerbaijan wants to have direct territorial connection to Nakhchivan autonomous region, and Armenians will have to prepare for that if they want to have any hope for any claim on Karabagh.

Erdogan (Turkey) and Putin (Russia) are also gearing up for interventionist Biden, so they wanted this conflict to come to an end.

To sum it up, Armenia saved itself from a total defeat once it went back to the Russian orbit. For Azerbaijan, they won on many fronts:

1. Azerbaijan got 7 regions liberated + parts of Karabagh;
2. Direct ccess to Nakhchivan;
3. Saved its economy from the total destruction had it continued the war - this time with Russia;
4. Russian and Turkish commitment to the final negotiations on final status of this conflict including Armenian claim on Karabagh and Azerbajian claim on the territory between Azerbaijan mainland and Nakhchivan autonomous Republic.

In my view, Aliyev and Turkey have this thing in the bug. They won big. Russian troops this time in Karabagh under the guise of "peacekeepers" is troublesome, but that is a price to pay when they're the regional superpower. Turkey also has also proven its power and influence in this war. At the end, the final negotiations are intended to sort out the claims of both Armenia and Azerbaijan, and both Turkey and Russia will have a presence in Karabagh.

What people need to understand is that Azerbaijan is weaker power compared to Russia which is super power. If Russia intervenes it could easily damage Azerbaijan and reverse any gains, yes Azerbaijan did not get most of their territory but by signing the peace agreement, they went from 0% to 60%+ of territorial gain, plus the road link to Nachchivan and also peace with Russia and Armenia, also the territory they gave up most likely will be demilitarised so it won't be any threat to Azerbaijan, lastly Russia would never have allowed Azerbaijan to make a territory link to Nachchivan but with this agreement they gained this. Give and take.

"You can't eat all of the cake"

The republic Artsakh which is mostly Armenian will also allow many displaced Azerbaijan people back. It will also be demilitarised. Its a good peace treaty I believe.
If for example in the near future their is war between Azerbaijan and Armenia, the Karabakh/Artsakh region will not be a threat to Azerbaijan as its surrounded, also they can easily attack the corridor and cut off any supplies.

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Nagorno-Karabakh: Ethnic Armenians prepare to give up homes


A sombre mood sweeps across the Kelbajar region, as ethnic Armenians return territory to Azerbaijan as part of peace deal.
PXL_20201112_082813619.jpg

Karine Chakhelyan, outside her home in Kelbajar, says she feels she is being driven out 'like cattle' [Neil Hauer/Al Jazeera]


Kelbajar, Azerbaijan – A small congregation gathered around the apse of the church. The priest sang the traditional hymn, in classical Armenian, as he raised a small cross to the heads of the two women in front of him. He flicked holy water onto their foreheads, completing the ritual.

“My sister and I had never been baptised,” said Lucie Hayrabedyan, 32. “We live in Yerevan, but we are from Artsakh,” she said, using the Armenian name for the Nagorno-Karabakh region.

“When we heard it would be given to [Azerbaijan], we decided to come while we still could,” she added.

This was the scene on Thursday at the Dadivank monastery, a millennium-old religious complex in the mountains of northern Nagorno-Karabakh.

Under the terms of a ceasefire agreement signed between Armenia and Azerbaijan on Tuesday, several ethnic Armenian-dominated regions would be handed back to Azerbaijan.


a medieval cemetery of thousands of ornate Armenian khachkars – finely-carved gravestones.

In the late nineties, Armenia accused Azerbaijan of destroying khachkars, a claim Baku denied.

Dadivank’s clergy are insistent they will protect their church.

“We will not allow them to destroy [this church],” said Father Hovhannes, the head priest of the complex.

He has served at Dadivank for a quarter-century. He gained fame on the first day of the new war, September 27, when an official Armenian government Twitter account posted a picture of him holding a cross and a rifle, above the caption “Faith & Power!”

By the time of publishing, Azerbaijan’s foreign ministry had not responded to Al Jazeera’s request for comment.


Elsewhere in the area, civilians prepared for the exodus.

Karine Chakhalyan, 54, was packing up her house in the town of Kelbajar, known by ethnic Armenians as Karvachar.

“They called us from Yerevan [on Tuesday] and said, ‘You have five days [to leave]’,” she said. “Five days. What are we going to do? Where are we going to go?”

Chakalyan has lived in Kelbajar for 26 years. Her family moved to the town from their original home in Sumgait, after anti-Armenian riots in 1988.

“I remember [the violence] like it was yesterday,” she said. “My grandparents were killed, my brother was killed, my sister, too. I left with my parents, to Yerevan.”

After a few years there, she relocated to Kelbajar.

“[The government] gave us a house in Kelbajar,” she said, “but it was almost ruined. It didn’t even have a roof. We built this all with our own hands.”

Some of her six sons, who recently returned from the front line, filter in and out of the house, packing bags with Kalashnikovs slung over their backs.

“I have 10 children,” says Chakalyan. “All six of my sons served in the army. One of them didn’t come back. I don’t even know where his grave is.”

While Azerbaijanis were forced to leave Kelbajar during the war in the nineties, which saw both sides commit atrocities, Armenians were slowly settled there over the following decades.

Exact statistics are hard to come by but more than 3,000 people reportedly live in the Kelbajar region.

It remains unclear exactly what will happen to Armenian civilians in Kelbajar. The official text of the tripartite deal signed by the leaders of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia makes no mention of whether civilians need to vacate the area or not.

Meanwhile, some residents are hedging their bets.

“Right now, we are only taking the things that can be stolen,” said Nikolai, a 34-year old Kelbajar resident as he loaded a sack onto his truck.

“We don’t want to leave here. We are hoping to come back.”

Local officials also seem uncertain on what will occur on Sunday.

Nikolai said the mayor of Kelbajar called him the previous day, telling him not to burn his house and that they would be able to stay.

In other areas of Kelbajar, ethnic Armenians are burning their homes in anger, so that any future residents cannot use them.

In the village of Dadivank, just below the monastery, one villager was filmed by the BBC as he burned his home before leaving for Armenia.

Father Hovhannes intends to stay at the monastery.

“I cannot predict what will happen [on November 15], but I will stay with my parish,” he said. “I will stay at my church.”

For Chakhalyan, the seemingly imminent exodus is just the latest in the cycle of her life.

“Sumgait was not enough for them,” she said. “My sister and brother were not enough for them.

“Now [the Azerbaijanis] are driving us out from here, too. Like cattle.”


Kelbajar region, including Dadivank, would be the first – returned by Sunday, November 15.

Kelbajar is located in the northwest of Nagorno-Karabakh, the region that is inside Azerbaijan’s borders but has been run by ethnic Armenians following the breakup of the Soviet Union.



PXL_20201112_112038410.jpg
The Dadivank monastery is a millennium-old religious complex in the mountains of northern Nagorno-Karabakh [Neil Hauer/Al Jazeera]While the core of Nagorno-Karabakh was dominated by ethnic Armenians, Kelbajar was an overwhelmingly Azerbaijani-populated area. It was captured by Armenian forces in April 1993, the local population expelled.


Dozens had arrived from Yerevan, Armenia’s capital, to pay what might be their last respects to the church before it comes under Azerbaijani control.

It was a sombre scene, with worshippers wiping away tears after making the sign of the cross on their chest and forehead. Many fear for the church’s continued existence.

“Of course they will destroy it,” said Vahram, 35, who had fought on the front lines of the latest conflict, a 44-day affair that saw scores of civilians killed on both sides.

“They are erasing our history,” he said. “You know what they did to Julfa,” he added, referencing

Armenians flee homes as Azerbaijan takeover looms


Boohoo cry me a phucking ocean. This comes for people who basically destroyed and desecrated mosques while driving out ethnic Azeris 20 years ago. Own medicine tastes like sheits dont they?
 
You got to give it to these Russians, they are still the 2nd most powerful and influential power in the world.
Armenia would have been totally defeated and routed from NK if it hadn’t been for Russia.

Azerbaijan has won this war fair and square, the second most conclusive military victory after WW2.
 
I think you should know that commander of Russian peace-keepers is Lieutenant-General Rustam Usmanovich (son of Usman) Muradov, he is from Dagestan.
 
Armenia says it prevented murder attempt on PM Nikol Pashinyan


National Security Service says former officials ‘planning to illegally usurp power’ were arrested.
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