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Scientists reveal Jewish history's forgotten Turkish roots

Israeli-born geneticist believes the Turkish villages of Iskenaz, Eskenaz and Ashanaz were part of the original homeland for Ashkenazic Jews

David Keys - Archaeology Correspondent

New research suggests that the majority of the world’s modern Jewish population is descended mainly from people from ancient Turkey, rather than predominantly from elsewhere in the Middle East.
The new research suggests that most of the Jewish population of northern and eastern Europe – normally known as Ashkenazic Jews – are the descendants of Greeks, Iranians and others who colonized what is now northern Turkey more than 2000 years ago and were then converted to Judaism, probably in the first few centuries AD by Jews from Persia. At that stage, the Persian Empire was home to the world’s largest Jewish communities.

According to research carried out by the geneticist, Dr Eran Elhaik of the University of Sheffield, over 90 per cent of Ashkenazic ancestors come from that converted partially Greek-originating ancient community in north-east Turkey.

His research is based on genetic, historical and place-name evidence. For his geographic genetic research, Dr Elhaik used a Geographic Population Structure computer modelling system to convert Ashkenazic Jewish DNA data into geographical information.
Dr Elhaik, an Israeli-born geneticist who gained his doctorate in molecular evolution from the University of Houston, believes that three still-surviving Turkish villages – Iskenaz, Eskenaz and Ashanaz – on the western part of an ancient Silk Road route were part of the original Ashkenazic homeland. He believes that the word Ashkenaz originally comes from Ashguza - the ancient Assyrian and Babylonian name for the Iron Age Eurasian steppeland people, the Scythians.

Referring to the names of the three Turkish villages, Dr Elhaik points out that “north-east Turkey is the only place in the world where these place-names exist”.

From the 690s AD onwards, anti-Jewish persecution by the Christian Byzantine Empire seems to have played a part in forcing large numbers of Jews to flee across the Black Sea to a more friendly state – the Turkic-ruled Khazar Empire with its large Slav and other populations.

Some analyses of Yiddish suggests that it was originally a Slavic language, and Dr Elhaik and others believe that it was developed, probably in the 8th and 9th centuries AD, by Jewish merchants trading along some of the more northerly Silk Roads linking China and Europe.
By the 730s, the Khazar Empire had begun to convert to Judaism – and more people converted to the faith.

But when the Khazar Empire declined in or around the 11th century, some of the Jewish population almost certainly migrated west into Central Europe. There, as Yiddish-speaking Jewish merchants came into contact with central European, often German-speaking, peoples, they began to replace the Slav words in Yiddish with large numbers of German and German-derived words, while retaining some of its Slav-originating grammar. Many Hebrew words also appear to have been added by that stage.

The genetic modelling used in the research was based on DNA data from 367 Jews of northern and eastern European origin and more than 600 non-Jewish people mainly from Europe and western Asia.

A group of Ashkenazic Jews in Jerusalem, circa 1885
A group of Ashkenazic Jews in Jerusalem, circa 1885(Getty Images)

Ulta-orthodox Ashkenazic Jews during a protest in Jerusalem last year
Ulta-orthodox Ashkenazic Jews during a protest in Jerusalem last year(Getty Images)

Dr Elhaik says it is the largest genomic study ever carried out on Ashkenazic Jews. His research will be published in the UK-based scientific journal, Genome Biology and Evolution.

Further research is planned to try to measure the precise size of the Semitic genetic input into Jewish and non-Jewish genomes.

 
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This is probably what's happening in Hadrut.

Look at that terrain. unless you control the ridge lines around the town, you control noting. Anyone on the ridge can kill you by throwing a rock down at you.

You can't use the town as a staging area, They just shell or mortar it from a few km away.

But it's a toe hold into actual NK. You can advance from there along the ridge lines. Drones clear the way.

The important thing for AZ is to get on those hills and advance along the ridge. And then its warfare where the other side holding the adjacent ridge is firing at you on your ridge. It's basically like WW1 with a natural trench (valley) between the front lines. No need for tanks. It's mountain warfare.

 
This is probably what's happening in Hadrut.

Look at that terrain. unless you control the ridge lines around the town, you control noting. Anyone on the ridge can kill you by throwing a rock down at you.

You can't use the town as a staging area, They just shell or mortar it from a few km away.

But it's a toe hold into actual NK. You can advance from there along the ridge lines. Drones clear the way.

The important thing for AZ is to get on those hills and advance along the ridge. And then its warfare where the other side holding the adjacent ridge is firing at you on your ridge. It's basically like WW1 with a natural trench (valley) between the front lines. No need for tanks. It's mountain warfare.

The following brothers-in-arms are joining the fronts in greater numbers! One good thing is they need no training nor they leave loved ones behind....

3D turkish uavs - TurboSquid 1397065

Azerbayjan has the right to take precaution according to her officials....

The last night an entire Armenian artillery unit was destroyed....

AZ is learning fast.....

It's a merciless "last man, last round" type of war.....

 
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The following brothers-in-arms are joining the fronts in greater numbers! One good thing is they need no training nor they leave loved ones behind....

3D turkish uavs - TurboSquid 1397065

Azerbayjan has the right to take precaution according to her officials....

The last night an entire Armenian artillery unit was destroyed....

AZ is learning fast.....

It's a merciless "last man, last round" type of war.....

Azeri will suffer heavy loses in guerilla war fare..they have to be careful in making advances..

Focus should first be on flatter terrain in the south

They dont need to take NK. Just all the areas around it first
 
Azeri will suffer heavy loses in guerilla war fare..they have to be careful in making advances..

Focus should first be on flatter terrain in the south

They dont need to take NK. Just all the areas around it first
The recent Turkish advances in the similar mountainous regions in the Northern Irak against PKK fortifications shows the efficacy of the indigenous technologies. Yes, it's a slow process to avoid excessive human losses...

And, it's a two-way process!!! The Armenians will be taking extreme losses too!! Already their population is only 2m and it's dwindling!! As for the mercenaries, they need to see money and see it fast....
 
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I am saying again treacherous NATO Countries The US , The UK , France , Canada , Germany , etc support PKK/YPG Terrorism against another NATO Country Turkiye since 1990s

Turkiye lost tens of thousands of citizens and $400+ billion to fight The US , The UK , France , Canada , Germany , Italy backed PKK terrorism since 1990


and Armenia is a terrorist state who fires Missiles on innocent civilians in Azerbaijan ..... and so many civilians dead in the last 2 weeks ... and so-called human rights protector countries the US,France,the UK,Germany say NOTHING





BAYKAR bought Wescam MX-15 E/O System from Canada because of its more cheaper and lighter

but now Turkiye has its own CATS E/O System for UCAVs .....
Turkish CATS is heavier than Wescam MX-15 but CATS has superior range ( 30km ) to compare with Wescam MX-15 ( 20 km )

so Turrkish Bayraktar TB-2 flies 24+ hours with Canadian Wescam MX-15 .... but Bayraktar TB-2 will fly 22 hours with Turkish CATS E/O System ...... No big difference

and soon Turkish DASS E/O System which is superior to CATS .......( New version of the CATS system equipped with higher resolution sensors )
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It seems you just want to be antagonistic, fine. just don't complain when people start accusing Turkey of supporting terrorism as well, which they actually already do.

This mudslinging is doing nothing but ignoring geopolitical realities.
 
This is probably what's happening in Hadrut.

Look at that terrain. unless you control the ridge lines around the town, you control noting. Anyone on the ridge can kill you by throwing a rock down at you.

You can't use the town as a staging area, They just shell or mortar it from a few km away.

But it's a toe hold into actual NK. You can advance from there along the ridge lines. Drones clear the way.

The important thing for AZ is to get on those hills and advance along the ridge. And then its warfare where the other side holding the adjacent ridge is firing at you on your ridge. It's basically like WW1 with a natural trench (valley) between the front lines. No need for tanks. It's mountain warfare.



buzz the drones, attack the ridges and drop paras to secure it and walk into the towns adjacent to thr ridges.. defense will crumble
 
The terrorist Armenians are massacring the civilians with the missile attacks into Genje, the 2nd largets city of Azerbaijan...

9 persons have died, 34 have been wounded...

 
Any recent progress map ??

My revised estimates without the benefit of google earth pro, are about 5-7% of the occupied area.

about 770 sq/km. about the size of Singapore.

Now here's the sad part. Singapore is about 725 sq/km and it holds 5 million people and provides them with one of the best living standards in the world. And these countries are infinitely larger. and don't offer anything much. Especially Armenia which is very poor. Just a thought.
 
buzz the drones, attack the ridges and drop paras to secure it and walk into the towns adjacent to thr ridges.. defense will crumble

a couple of snipers can control a whole valley and restrict movement. You basically have to walk units single file towards the enemy until you make contact. Then you bomb, drone, flame thrower? them out of the way and continue. It could take months. They will have to use mules and horses (no kidding) for supplies.

As for taking the low ground down south. All it takes is a spotter in the mountains to direct artillery fire and its a killing field. Personally I love mountaineering, and you can literally see everything for tens of kilometres like on the palm of your hand when you're up there. And its funny when you're on mountain, you can see them down there and they never see you.
 
THIS POST IS FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO REFLECT ... YOU SHOULD GIVE IT A GOOD SPIN ... IT SHOULD MAKE YOU REALISE THINGS ABOUT UR INNER MUSALMAN ... HOW DEAD IT IS.
Why should we be different? Trend of being different n better then others isn't healthy. Some rapes a woman we shouldnt lock him in prison because we are better then him n our betterness tells us we should not imprison because its evil ... Since rape is evil imprisonment is evil ... We are better we should not pay evil with evil. Flowless logic. Rapist goes free to rape again. Dont need to be different we have to be sensible n practicle. Its a lesson Armenia needs to learn.

West carpetted bombed each other. One started carpet bombing other responded in kind. Carpet bombing = indescriminate bombing of cities to target civilians. They could have shown they are better then the other side n not responded but did they. You would say thats past . The nukes these countries have are not for army vs army its to kill entire population of country. In the 3rd wolrd war entire cities n populations will be flattened. If americans get nuked they will show THEY ARE BETTER BY NUKING EVERY INCH OF ENEMY. You people are guiilible as a human can be ... Try to understand real wolrd doesnt run on programmed morals n doesnt run on fantasies acquired from movies. Real world require eye for n eye not this gulluible sht u guys r in... Usa tax china goods ... China tax usa goods ... Chinese could have shown they are better then bullies ... But did they? Israelis get attacked by fire crackers they bombed the fack outta plastinians. Jews could show u n world they r better by not retaliating ... Instead they have made plastine into a open air prison controlling food water clothng medcine ... N when they feel like it they stop them ... You have entire world to show me where someone preaches what ur fcked up bs morality. Tit for tat is the whole of law. Indians shell pakistans shell .... We can prove we are better but do we and should we? What would you do your hetterness. You will n do want retaliation with same measure n with more ferocity.

People retaliate when someone they hold important love value care about when such things or someone of this type is harmed people respond retaliate. Reality is religion of Allah and his messenger has no value in hearts of people opposing what i said. Otherwise you will want revenge on par. Let me illustrate it to you if u thnk what i wrote was wrong ... Suppose a man comes has two buckets of piss n shit n throws them in ur beautiful house ... What would you? do marry your sister to him ? Because u guys are better? No you guys would beat sht outta him rape his mother in fact send gundas to his house to molest his babes ... I am exagerating a bit but u get the point ... You would do the worse u can think of n prolly make toilet on his grave after killing him. Be real with me not fake bs about how your cultured. You are not. Why the different reaction when mosques is descrated? Because its not your own .it doesnt hold value in ur hearts. you dont love religion of Allah . Thats the actual reason. You are only taking moral high ground bs because it involves islam n things related to it. If Pakistani flag. Pakistani army. Pakistan was attacked verbally physically your love for them would ask for ssame type of retaliation. Why? Cause u love it. Its important to you. This whats different between us n them comes out wen islam is harmed when muslim is harmed wen prophet is insulted when quran is burnt or flushed in toilet ... Then you n i hear people say dont retaliate ... Whats difference between us n them ... On all other ... This philosophy is jever mentioned.

I love Allah his messenger n muslims n places associated with them . And i preach n believe equal measure of retaliation. Law of world is ... Tit for tat is the whole and all of the law.

Brother, you are just oozing passion. I admire that about you. However we have clear rules from our religion on how to behave.

Even though Armenians destroyed our masajid and used them as pens for pigs, Azeri Muslims did not retaliate against any church.

They instead focused on the enemy fighting them in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Now that Armenia has launched missiles on civilian areas in Azerbaycan proper, still Azerbaycan has not attacked the Armenian homeland.

This shows the professionalism and care with which Azerbaycan is recovering its lost lands..

No matter what Armenians are screaming at Azeris about supposed destruction of the sites, it is all false propaganda, and no one believes them due to facts on the ground.

Remember brother, it is not the Kuffar who are our teachers but it is Sayyidina Mustafa saws. We live and die by his words.

Your patriotism is admirable for this Ummah, and deserves respect. We can discuss this topic elsewhere so as not to derail the thread.
Guys can u please stop responding to this moron @Austin Powers
Anyone who have spent some time on PDF knows he is an utter brainless idiot, most probably suffering from autism. Dont take him seriously and dont reply him so he cant troll and destroy the thread.

That is the best way to deal with all sorts of trolls.

It requires many mental gymnastics to paint this blatant loss by Armenians as some sort of victory.

Reminds me of the last days of Nazi Germany, when Hitler refused to surrender, when in his bunker, he still believed he was going to be victorious against the Allies.
 

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