Ayatollah Khamenei: Why is world silent towards massacre of Muslims in Myanmar, Kashmir and Palestin

[Into the Fire]

Why are Pakistanis jumping up and down for a 25 year old speech?

 

[zartosht]

Iran has maintained a relatively constant neutral stance on Kashmir since partition. The only exception to this being in 65 when iran helped Pakistan somewhat in the war. (Despite that fact that india would have been well within its rights to see such help as an act of war).

The reasons are pretty simple. Pakistan has never decisively supported iran (iran-Iraq war). where such help might have resulted in drastic Iranian policy changes.

Also Pakistan is VERY close to 2 of iran's biggest enemies.

on the other Hand india is (or will shortly become) the most populous country on earth. It is a large and very important country in their current state. And they definitely have (remote) but real longterm superpower potential if they can get their shit together. It is not at all in irans interest to make an enemy out of india.

Especially considering the fact that iran and india have never had any real disputes or animosity. and india has never been hostile towards iran. Its also hard to find many Iranians who have negative feelings towards india/Indians to be honest.... it just makes no sense for iran to break their neutrality. and I don't see it happening, despite maybe a couple of controversial comments here and there.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

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He hates Iran to the core for some reason, I would ignore him; if I were you.

The reasons are pretty simple. Pakistan has never decisively supported iran (iran-Iraq war). where such help might have resulted in drastic Iranian policy changes.

Pakistan covertly supported Iran. Arms and supplies poured into Iran via Balochistan. Thousands of fighters, both Sunnis and Shias went to Iran to fight against Iraq. Pakistan secretly supplied US equipment meant for Afghan fighters to Iran as well. Pakistan also supported Iran financially; also guess who provided silkworm and stinger missiles which proved to be decisive in the Tanker war?

Iraq held great enmity against Pakistan for this and openly supported India's position on Kashmir as well as separatism in Balochistan.

Also Pakistan is VERY close to 2 of iran's biggest enemies.

Who may that be?

Iran has maintained a relatively constant neutral stance on Kashmir since partition. The only exception to this being in 65 when iran helped Pakistan somewhat in the war. (Despite that fact that india would have been well within its rights to see such help as an act of war).

Iran also supported Pakistan in 1971 war and were on the same side in many proxy wars around the world.

 

[zartosht]

Pakistan covertly supported Iran. Arms and supplies poured into Iran via Balochistan. Thousands of fighters, both Sunnis and Shias went to Iran to fight against Iraq. Pakistan secretly supplied US equipment meant for Afghan fighters to Iran as well. Pakistan also supported Iran financially; also guess who provided silkworm and stinger missiles which proved to be decisive in the Tanker war?

Pakistan was more or less neutral. But there are reports of some help here and there (though not widely documented in iran as far as i know, not that im doubting you, but for my own knowledge would love to read some credible sources on it )

Iraq held great enmity against Pakistan for this and openly supported India's position on Kashmir as well as separatism in Balochistan.

Iran wasn't fighting Iraq alone. . Iraq did not have easy access to the Persian gulf after operation morvarid, the general domination of irans navy, and later on al faw's capture . with the added burden of Syria cutting off their oil pipeline, Iraq was heavily dependent on Persian gulf arab financial and economic assistance to survive. those same Persian gulf arabs that Pakistan deployed 10s of thousands of soldiers to protect incase of any Iranian breakthroughs... so it is somewhat more complicated.

Who may that be?

Saudi Arabia and the US.

and before you mention the recent nonsense with orange. Pakistan/American relations are still more or less solid. The US absolutely needs Pakistan to do anything in Afghanistan, and maintain influence in that region. And Pakistan needs to maintain good relations with the US to prevent receiving a pariah status, not get punished for their nukes, receive military aid etc.

iran and Pakistan couldn't even put a gas pipeline between themselves without American pressure stopping it.

Iran also supported Pakistan in 1971 war and were on the same side in many proxy wars around the world.

Iran and Pakistan have maintained friendly ties throughout. and in no way am I personally blaming Pakistan for their stance in the war or for anything. im just saying Pakistan took a very logical choice of staying relatively netural. With iran having done the same with Kashmir. It did not serve pakistans interest to hurt their relations with the Saudis, PG arab states , and the americans to go all in with iran . and it does not serve irans interests to go too far with the Kashmir issue and hurt relations with india.

irans goal should be maintaining good relations with both states. we have been pretty successful with this so far. it would not be smart to try and upset that balance in my opinion.

 

[Big Tank]

Pakistan was more or less neutral. But there are reports of some help here and there (though not widely documented in iran as far as i know, not that im doubting you, but for my own knowledge would love to read some credible sources on it )




Iran wasn't fighting Iraq alone. . Iraq did not have easy access to the Persian gulf after operation morvarid, the general domination of irans navy, and later on al faw's capture . with the added burden of Syria cutting off their oil pipeline, Iraq was heavily dependent on Persian gulf arab financial and economic assistance to survive. those same Persian gulf arabs that Pakistan deployed 10s of thousands of soldiers to protect incase of any Iranian breakthroughs... so it is somewhat more complicated.




Saudi Arabia and the US.

and before you mention the recent nonsense with orange. Pakistan/American relations are still more or less solid. The US absolutely needs Pakistan to do anything in Afghanistan, and maintain influence in that region. And Pakistan needs to maintain good relations with the US to prevent receiving a pariah status, not get punished for their nukes, receive military aid etc.

iran and Pakistan couldn't even put a gas pipeline between themselves without American pressure stopping it.



Iran and Pakistan have maintained friendly ties throughout. and in no way am I personally blaming Pakistan for their stance in the war or for anything. im just saying Pakistan took a very logical choice of staying relatively netural. With iran having done the same with Kashmir. It did not serve pakistans interest to hurt their relations with the Saudis, PG arab states , and the americans to go all in with iran . and it does not serve irans interests to go too far with the Kashmir issue and hurt relations with india.

irans goal should be maintaining good relations with both states. we have been pretty successful with this so far. it would not be smart to try and upset that balance in my opinion.

An Indian Hindu or Pakistani Wahabi disguised into Iranian account. If not, likely a Pro Capitalist Farsi.

 

[zartosht]

lol... if im indian, then all of irans professional diplomats/ policy makers must be Indians too?

my point of view comes exclusively from cold hard geopolitical reality. I like to see the world the exact same way politicians see the world. (successful) politicians don't work with emotions, but try to exploit it.

I can assure you professional Pakistani policy makers look at the world with the exact same geopolitical lens as well.

Just try it out, and the world and actions of individual nations will start to make a lot more sense.

I have no hatred of india personally. And while there might be individual Iranians who would love to jump on the umma train (even though a lot of those same "umma members" see them as infidel shias fit for conversion or death). judging by actions, I can assure you professional diplomats and policymakers see the world thru my eyes.

The only exception to this is Palestine.

the Iranian government has taken an ideological position on Palestine that brings the wrath of the entire western world on it. It is paying a massive price for it that no other nation is willing to.

on the surface this looks foolish. But for iran being a shia theoratic state in an ocean of sunnis. it makes some sense. They have taken ownership (or are trying to) of the #1 islam vs. west issue that exists.

The west has artificially planted a Zionist state in the heart of Islamic countries. This will never ever be accepted by muslims, and there will always be a very strong appetite for confronting this reality. iran gains legitimacy and influence among the Islamic world by pushing this issue, while simultaneously weakening the western position.

with that said, it is still up for debate whether this policy is wise or not, Given the sacrifices (that can probably be measured in the hundreds of billions of dollars) it has made so far.