Awami-Jamat secret agreement.Rumor or truth?

[scholseys]

Well the crux of the matter is that 4 of their activist were killed just yesterday. Not to mention the no. of activist in jail & got killed over the last 4 years. The jails R literally crawling with mainly JI and BNP walas . Some of them may loose their life today as well. These doesn't show signs of any compromise at all. Rather JI went for more protest after the recent awami ICT verdict of life sentence. They R a ideological party and as such impossible to crush. Forget 1st tier, even after all their 2nd/3rd tier leaders R in jail they R still not suffering any leadership Vacuum so much so that they can do hartals on consecutives days. This is enough to prove their support base and political cohesion & strength they have.

As for the recent verdict by awami ICT & JI giving flowers which is raising all these rumors , there R many reasons:

- BAL was always opportunistic about trail and conducted it as a means to eliminate opposition as per prescription of their master. They may be trying to raise doubts among BNP & the people at large about JI doing compromise. They R a party devoid of ideology or morality , they can do it in a eyes blink. Deception is their inherent trait.

- They backed off fearing JI street agitation & trying to clam the situation down.

- Without an iota of doubt, there is mounting international pressure about the credibility & fairness of this trail.

- Police coming at the end of awami term are devided and have a broken chain of command. Goplagaunj walas R no listening to higer ups who R having second thoughts on abiding awami party orders. A side effect of rampant mindboggling politicizing of the police.

- The peaceful JI gathering 2 days back was huge and any sane police having half a bridsbrain know the consequences of attacking such a large crowd, case point: They didn't attack the crowd pulling long marches of BKZ.

- They may have allowed the JI to do rally 2 days back, to give a deceptive notion of doing a compromise with JI. They don't care about the people or the country or votes. They just want to break the opposition.

Their leaders have suffered a lot over the last 4 years not just 1sy tier leaders undergoing awami ICT but also 2nd & 3rd tier leaders. Lot of their activist sacrificed their lives. They didn't do all these to achieve a compromise with opportunist BAL thugs which would mean throwing away their powerful support base & strong command structure they have painstakingly built over the past 6 decades. They simply have nothing to gain by this hypothetical compromise. These whole rumor thing as common sense dictates is nothing but a awami deception in their desperate attempt to save their sorry bankrupt selves IMO.

couldnt have put better myself

 

[scholseys]

It will be clear in next verdict. If tribunal declare life sentence it will confirm Awami Jamat backdoor deal. Most of the general public thought Kader Mollah will get death sentence even i was sure. Awami league can really surprise you.

Hypothetically lets say jamaat made some back door deal with BAL and all their leaders are given lighter sentences. What if then they not go for the elections? what can awami league do then? thing is you can't trust anybody and any sort of deal is highly unlikely

 

[PlanetSoldier]

Imo all these political leader should have "superstitious" deaths. The country will be in a mess but it will be for the greater good. Need another batch of Farook-Rashid

Yeah..I currently feel the same.

 

[Hammer-fist]

After the war crimes tribunal declared life sentence of Kadir Mullah there is a rumor going on that awami league is trying to have a agreement with jamat. The agreement is Jamat will leave BNP and will do election next year with out caretaker government. As BNP will not go for election without caretaker Awami league will win and Jatio Party and Jamat will be the opposition party in exchange the Imprison leaders of jamat will not get death penalty. There is also further benefit for Awami league in this arrangement. Middle east will be happy and finance some government project. If jamat does not provide muscle it will be impossible for BNP to push caretaker issue.Guys have you heard anything like this also?


@MBI Munshi @kobiraaz @eastwatch @aazidane[/MENTION] @idune @animelive @Al-zakir @PlanetSoldier @Hammer-fist @Luffy 500 and others please give feedback please.

1. The BNP will win the next elections in a years time.

The military, US, public opinion and other important parties will not accept the democratic process in Bangladesh not continuing.

The Bangladeshi military and the United States firmly believe in parliamentary democracy and civilian rule for Bangladesh and will not accept the sabotage of that.

A key fundamental part of parliamentary democracy is acceptance of the elected government until the expiry of its term in office...

and..

conversely the ruling party handing over power to the opposition if they win the elections.

So the first point means the US and military will not accept the illegal or violent removal of the current Hasina Wajid administration, but nor will they accept Hasina Wajid illegally staying in power beyond her term.

The democratic process is of paramount importance to the military and the USA. The military will only step in very extreme cases i.e. national breakdown.

2. A certain element of Bangladeshis (I won't say who) are working for the long-term abolition of the Awami League. I believe that they will be successful in that the Awami League will either cease to exist or be so radically reformed that it will hardly be the party it is now.

3. This forum has a disproportionately large number of Jamatis and other fanatics who exaggerate and sensationalize everything.

There will be no civil war.

There will be no sanctions.

The Awami League will hand over power to the BNP in about 12 months. Maybe they will try some tactics to stall but in the end they will hand over power.

Please do not take this forum too seriously.

 

[kalu_miah]

^^ Several things I want to point out.

- no one knows the future, so any prediction can be false
- this forum is for anyone to voice their opinion, there is no reason to stifle people's voice by labeling them and calling them names, only people with limited intelligence and undemocratic tendencies engage in this kind of name calling
- as Bangladeshi's we must respect each other as individuals, our individual opinions and the right to express them, regardless of someone's political view
- USA or UK or any other country do not determine future of Bangladesh, people of Bangladesh do that, at least should do that

So GO AHEAD people, make your voices heard. Keep posting your opinions.

 

[idune]

awami thug Hammer-fist talks like he own US and everyone else policy. Only ghetto pun*ks talks like that. Not only he knows jack but also he is not even a Bangladeshi. When Awami League stooges caught red handed for hacking poll with indian money there is no question of "elected govt". Awami League regime proved itself to indian stooge through its action in all fields; starting with killing 54 Bangladesh army officers with indian involvement.

 

[idune]

I believe that most of these rumours of an agreement are mere propaganda to discredit the Jamaat-e-Islami and cause friction in their alliance with the BNP. It is now the plan of the AL and their Indian backers to have an election under any circumstances so that their agenda can be completed in the next term. None of this has anything to do with the 1971 'chetona' and is simply a ruthless geo-politcial game being played by India to dominate the region ........ The Pilkhana mutiny and massacre was merely Act 1 of this tragic play while Ghoom Khoon was Act 2 and we are soon coming to Act 3 .....

You have nailed the facts there. I have spoken to quite few people (without revealing names) and all people said there is NO agreement between Jamaat and Awami League. One, Jamaat movement is not for vote politics pure and simple although recent movement has increased Jamaat vote bank quite a bit. Two, regardless of Jamaat participate in farcical Awami League election or not, Awami League will try to eliminate Jamaat and Jamaat is well aware of that. BNP on the other other hand, doing some gross mistake which will come back to bite existence of the party. As I said before KZ is destroying the party and opportunity by herself Awami League does not need to do anything.

Pure and simple fact is all the war crime farces are for further advance indian cause by making Bangladesh more subservient and give up more of Bangladesh interest and rights on water, border, maritime boundary, defense etc.

 

[M_Saint]

You have nailed the facts there. I have spoken to quite few people (without revealing names) and all people said there is agreement between Jamaat and Awami League. One, Jamaat movement is not for vote politics pure and simple although recent movement has increased Jamaat vote bank quite a bit. Two, regardless of Jamaat participate in farcical Awami League election or not, Awami League will try to eliminate Jamaat and Jamaat is well aware of that. BNP on the other other hand, doing some gross mistake which will come back to bite existence of the party. As I said before KZ is destroying the party and opportunity by herself Awami League does not need to do anything.

Pure and simple fact is all the war crime farces are for further advance indian cause by making Bangladesh more subservient and give up more of Bangladesh interest and rights on water, border, maritime boundary, defense etc.

I have spoken to quite few people (without revealing names) and all people said there is agreement between Jamaat and Awami League.

Did U mean agreement or not?

 

[idune]

Did U mean agreement or not?

NO agreement.

 

[M_Saint]

It is certainly plausible that some deal may have been struck between the Jamaat-e-Islami and the Awami League and for that reason Abdul Qader Mollah was awarded what many have described as a lenient sentence. If the remaining accused receive similar sentences then we can only conclude that the Jamaat-e-Islami will be eliminated from standing for elections (either through agreement with the AL or direct boycott as convicted persons cannot contest) and thus ensuring a victory for the Awami League. However, once the elections are over and the AL are again confirmed in power what would prevent them from banning the Jamaat-e-Islami party as they have promised repeatedly to do? They would have the legitimacy provided by an election victory to do this and the Jamaat-e-Islami would be in an even weaker position to protest or resist. I cannot believe that the Jamaat-e-Islami could be so politically naive to come to such an arrangement with the AL. If, however, the Jamaat-e-Islami boycott the elections they can still maintain their objections credibly and also raise doubt on the legitimacy of the elections process. I believe that most of these rumours of an agreement are mere propaganda to discredit the Jamaat-e-Islami and cause friction in their alliance with the BNP. It is now the plan of the AL and their Indian backers to have an election under any circumstances so that their agenda can be completed in the next term. None of this has anything to do with the 1971 'chetona' and is simply a ruthless geo-politcial game being played by India to dominate the region ........ The Pilkhana mutiny and massacre was merely Act 1 of this tragic play while Ghoom Khoon was Act 2 and we are soon coming to Act 3 .....

I cannot believe that the Jamaat-e-Islami could be so politically naive to come to such an arrangement with the AL. If, however, the Jamaat-e-Islami boycott the elections they can still maintain their objections credibly and also raise doubt on the legitimacy of the elections process. I believe that most of these rumours of an agreement are mere propaganda to discredit the Jamaat-e-Islami and cause friction in their alliance with the BNP. It is now the plan of the AL and their Indian backers to have an election under any circumstances so that their agenda can be completed in the next term. None of this has anything to do with the 1971 'chetona' and is simply a ruthless geo-politcial game being played by India to dominate the region ........ The Pilkhana mutiny and massacre was merely Act 1 of this tragic play while Ghoom Khoon was Act 2 and we are soon coming to Act 3 .....

U grasped the crux of the issue very well there. Many a times, I have pointed it out in several other threads. And I can guarantee U that there hasn't been any deal. Also most likely there wouldn't be any from here on. In its entirety it is the Indian that are prime operator but if JI can survive until 2014 then they will have the opportunity to have a roller coaster ride. I guess Bharatis know it and that's why they are in a rush to finish Jamaatis off by ASAP.

Well the crux of the matter is that 4 of their activist were killed just yesterday. Not to mention the no. of activist in jail & got killed over the last 4 years. The jails R literally crawling with mainly JI and BNP walas . Some of them may loose their life today as well. These doesn't show signs of any compromise at all. Rather JI went for more protest after the recent awami ICT verdict of life sentence. They R a ideological party and as such impossible to crush. Forget 1st tier, even after all their 2nd/3rd tier leaders R in jail they R still not suffering any leadership Vacuum so much so that they can do hartals on consecutives days. This is enough to prove their support base and political cohesion & strength they have.

As for the recent verdict by awami ICT & JI giving flowers which is raising all these rumors , there R many reasons:

- BAL was always opportunistic about trail and conducted it as a means to eliminate opposition as per prescription of their master. They may be trying to raise doubts among BNP & the people at large about JI doing compromise. They R a party devoid of ideology or morality , they can do it in a eyes blink. Deception is their inherent trait.

- They backed off fearing JI street agitation & trying to clam the situation down.

- Without an iota of doubt, there is mounting international pressure about the credibility & fairness of this trail.

- Police coming at the end of awami term are devided and have a broken chain of command. Goplagaunj walas R no listening to higer ups who R having second thoughts on abiding awami party orders. A side effect of rampant mindboggling politicizing of the police.

- The peaceful JI gathering 2 days back was huge and any sane police having half a bridsbrain know the consequences of attacking such a large crowd, case point: They didn't attack the crowd pulling long marches of BKZ.

- They may have allowed the JI to do rally 2 days back, to give a deceptive notion of doing a compromise with JI. They don't care about the people or the country or votes. They just want to break the opposition.

Their leaders have suffered a lot over the last 4 years not just 1sy tier leaders undergoing awami ICT but also 2nd & 3rd tier leaders. Lot of their activist sacrificed their lives. They didn't do all these to achieve a compromise with opportunist BAL thugs which would mean throwing away their powerful support base & strong command structure they have painstakingly built over the past 6 decades. They simply have nothing to gain by this hypothetical compromise. These whole rumor thing as common sense dictates is nothing but a awami deception in their desperate attempt to save their sorry bankrupt selves IMO.

Hats off to U, Luffy Bhai. U are certainly a very good writer and this one is a gem of a post that covers the entirety of the current political issue very well.