A person who loves to see Bangladesh as indian proxy state can only be charmed by indian bully and deception packeged in "south asian union", BIMSTEC like organization.
Awami govt proved again - they are indian stooges
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A person who loves to see Bangladesh as indian proxy state can only be charmed by indian bully and deception packeged in "south asian union", BIMSTEC like organization.
India - regional bully or friend?
By Brajesh Upadhyay
India shows off its military pride on Republic Day To many in the rest of the world India is an emerging economic success story and a working secular democracy.
But ask people in its neighbouring countries for their views and you may well get a much more hostile response.
Culturally, India and its neighbours are more similar than dissimilar. It's hard to tell an Indian from a Pakistani, a Nepali, a Bangladeshi, or a Sri Lankan.
The food is similar, the music comes from the same scales, in films they have the same tastes. They even share holy places.
Many in Pakistan thought that Indian help during the October 2005 earthquake was a gesture of friendship. Others saw it as a ploy to gather intelligence over Kashmir.
To some India was capable of providing the solution to last year's political crisis in Nepal. Others say India was the problem, interfering where it was not wanted.
India played an active role in the birth of Bangladesh. Today Bangladesh refuses to sell gas to India.
Back in the 1980s, the Indian army became involved in peace-keeping efforts in Sri Lanka which went badly wrong.
Should India's neighbours still view it as a threat? Is Indian industry a big shark waiting to chew up the smaller fishes?
As part of the BBC's India Rising week, the BBC Hindi Service is hosting a regional debate Indian television's NDTV channel in both English and Hindi.
"India - Brother or Bully?" is the theme.
An audience comprising diplomats, politicians, artists, industrialists and students in Islamabad, Dhaka, Kathmandu and Colombo will join a panel in Delhi through satellite video-link.
The Indian panel will feature former foreign minister Yashwant Sinha and vice-chairman of telecom giant Bharti Enterprises Rakesh Mittal.
The radio broadcast will be on 11 February. It will be televised on 17 and 18 February. You can participate by sending in your questions or views for the panellists by 8 of February.
Use the form at the top right-hand side of this page. Below are a selection of comments sent so far.
BBC NEWS | South Asia | India - regional bully or friend?
By Brajesh Upadhyay
India shows off its military pride on Republic Day To many in the rest of the world India is an emerging economic success story and a working secular democracy.
But ask people in its neighbouring countries for their views and you may well get a much more hostile response.
Culturally, India and its neighbours are more similar than dissimilar. It's hard to tell an Indian from a Pakistani, a Nepali, a Bangladeshi, or a Sri Lankan.
The food is similar, the music comes from the same scales, in films they have the same tastes. They even share holy places.
Many in Pakistan thought that Indian help during the October 2005 earthquake was a gesture of friendship. Others saw it as a ploy to gather intelligence over Kashmir.
To some India was capable of providing the solution to last year's political crisis in Nepal. Others say India was the problem, interfering where it was not wanted.
India played an active role in the birth of Bangladesh. Today Bangladesh refuses to sell gas to India.
Back in the 1980s, the Indian army became involved in peace-keeping efforts in Sri Lanka which went badly wrong.
Should India's neighbours still view it as a threat? Is Indian industry a big shark waiting to chew up the smaller fishes?
As part of the BBC's India Rising week, the BBC Hindi Service is hosting a regional debate Indian television's NDTV channel in both English and Hindi.
"India - Brother or Bully?" is the theme.
An audience comprising diplomats, politicians, artists, industrialists and students in Islamabad, Dhaka, Kathmandu and Colombo will join a panel in Delhi through satellite video-link.
The Indian panel will feature former foreign minister Yashwant Sinha and vice-chairman of telecom giant Bharti Enterprises Rakesh Mittal.
The radio broadcast will be on 11 February. It will be televised on 17 and 18 February. You can participate by sending in your questions or views for the panellists by 8 of February.
Use the form at the top right-hand side of this page. Below are a selection of comments sent so far.
BBC NEWS | South Asia | India - regional bully or friend?
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^^ From your comments it seems rather plausible that the problem isn't India, its India's neighbors. India is surrounded by smaller states, politically unstable and economically stagnant. These smaller states have yet to develop a true national identity or a decent economy or any sort of political stability and this is why a large and powerful neighbor seems intimidating.
Don't be afraid idune, we don't bite unless bitten first.
Don't be afraid idune, we don't bite unless bitten first.
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Here's a pretty insightful comment (from the BBC article), its kind of what I've been arguing for, integrated economic interests! The only way forward....
It is inevitable that neighbours see India through the prism of self interest. Integrated economic interests are the only way to reduce their fears. Look at Canada-US relations to understand this situation.
B. R. Ravishankar, Canada
It is inevitable that neighbours see India through the prism of self interest. Integrated economic interests are the only way to reduce their fears. Look at Canada-US relations to understand this situation.
B. R. Ravishankar, Canada
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Thanks. you asked a pretty good question, I too have wondered about this on several occasions. so why doesn't India have comfortable relations with all its neighbors? Well that isn't entirely true if you think about it. We're cool with Nepal, yes the Government has changed but I don't think there have been any significant changes in our relationship, our borders are more or less open, and Nepalis and Desis get along more often than not. At the end of the day Nepal depends on India for everything from gas to T-shirts. The same is true with Sri-Lanka, we're doing O.K. The Chinese are trying to get a foothold there, but then again, its not like Sri-Lanka would want to play a part in our little cold war, so I don't see any significant threat from Hambantota, it's something to be concerned about, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it, the Sri-Lankans are looking for investments not a war. Overall our relations there are good.
We seem to have some unnecessary friction with Bangladesh, I blame this primarily on Khaleda and on inept Indian politicians. it takes two hands to clap you see, so if India hasn't been completely straightforward, its also because the political atmosphere in Bangladesh wasn't conducive at the time. Now that things have changed a compromise or two wouldn't be out of the question since it would be mutually beneficial. The issue of separatists/terrorists taking refuge in BD especially during Khaleda's tenure, immigration, so there are a few things that need to be sorted out. Not everything the media says is true, but that doesn't mean its all false. There is almost certainly a segment in BD that is decidedly 'anti-India', the reasons for this could be many but there is also an external factor to these elements that seek to promote religious fundamentalism to further their own cause. Pakistan has its fair share of influence in BD. Have you seen the thread on ULFA getting support from the ISI?
Nonetheless, the way things stand now our relations are set to improve drastically. There are conflicting reports about the effects the dams will cause downstream, I would hope that India proactively addresses these concerns and from what I have read, it seems like we are. India desperately needs energy but that shouldn't come at the cost of seriously antagonizing a bordering country, I don't see how that would benefit us. I will have to read more before I can comment further. I don't see a war erupting over this issue, if it was indeed this serious than I doubt India would've embarked on such a venture in the first place.
There has to be an initiative from both sides, India can show all the good will it wants, but its not going to help if BD can't reciprocate. I think the current government in India is the best we've had in a long time, so given some time I think our relations will take a turn for the better. With some initiative we can certainly form a strong strategic partnership and I think we are already working towards that end.
lets see how things play out in the coming months.
Regarding the relationship with neighbours, you are right as long as the relationship in your standard is ok. But in my standard they are not. And you have to understand none of the south asian country except Nepal will accept India as the super power of this region, you can stock pile as many nukes or chems as you want.
Regarding BD, you had concern about ULFA. I dont think BD could play a major role on that. Our system just dont permit that which you saw in those arms haul case. They got caught by the system itself despite some of the NSI officers were involved. Even those people are put on trial. It is almost impossible if it were in India or Pakistan and none of these country will permit the legal system go against their intellegence agency. So your claim of BD's direct support to ULFA is unsubstantiated.
Rest of the issues solely goes in the shouldier of India and India needs to come up with the solution. BD did reciprocated in every issue but India did not. If reciprocating means, we cant have a defence relationship with China or we have to ask India for everything we do and bring our status to close to Nepal then sorry we will not do it.
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^^ From your comments it seems rather plausible that the problem isn't India, its India's neighbors. India is surrounded by smaller states, politically unstable and economically stagnant. These smaller states have yet to develop a true national identity or a decent economy or any sort of political stability and this is why a large and powerful neighbor seems intimidating.
Don't be afraid idune, we don't bite unless bitten first.
India did enjoy a economic bonanja for the last 5/6 years and you guys started lecturing us. Dont worry, we did not perform that bad despite all the odds and you never know what lies ahead in next five years.
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Obscure comment from a obscure mind.
Yeah! ignore the experts and spread non sense. May Bangladesh prosper
When its the same old self proclaimed Pak/Indian-razakar "experts" from the AL & self proclaimed enlightened Indians, like yourself, who are here harping on their sudden found love for everything BD & its inhabitants & declaring themselves self certified custodians of BD's interests, just like the last time they told us that Farakka was good for us.
BD will prosper for sure, if we make sure these self serving razakars & Indians who have certified themselves custodians of BD's interests can no longer sell the country to line their own pockets while also ignoring & marginalizing/sideline these groups of people and their propaganda.
While Bangladeshis are killed by indian forces, Awami stooges are busy sucking up to their master in Delhi.
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Rise in killings on the frontiers with India
Raheed Ejaz
There has been a significant rise of killings of Bangladeshi people by the Indian border guards along the frontiers with the death of 52 people in first six months of 2009 despite repeated pledges of Indian authorities to curb such killings.
The death figure of Bangladeshi nationals in the border areas is almost double compared to the tally of corresponding period of last year when 30 people were killed, according to information available with human rights watchdog Odhikar.
Among those killed, some 37 people died in the first three months of 2009 while the figure was 3 and 10 in April and May respectively.
During a director general level meeting of the BDR and BSF held in Dhaka on August 20-24, 2008, the then chief of the Indian border guards Ashish Kumar Mitra had said they would show zero tolerance to border killings as they did not want anyone to be killed on the frontiers.
The human rights watchdogs statistics also revealed that apart from killing 52 Bangladeshi nationals in the border areas, the Indian BSF also injured and abducted some 65 Bangladeshis in recent months.
According to news agency reports, Indian BSF on Tuesday morning gunned downed Rabiul Islam, 30, of Barogram sadar upazila of Dinajpur district while he was working in the field along the border.
Quoting Fulbari 40 Rifles Battalion sources, the reports said that the BSF members of Doghati camp also injured another Bangladeshi citizen, Anwar, 28, of the same village.
In a recent report, Odhikar revealed that on April 23, Rabindranath Mandal, 45, and his wife Kalyani Rani Mandal, 38, from the village Bolabari under Ashashuni Upazila in Shatkhira, were arrested by BSF from Indias Ghojadanga Camp as they were returning to Shatkhira from India along Main Pillar No 4.
The report said that BSF officers beat Rabindranath to death and tortured and raped Kalyani and left their dead bodies near the Main Pillar Number 4 on the Shatkhira-Lokkhidari border.
The couple had gone to the Nadiya district in India for medical treatment six months ago.
Odhikar said that Indian border guards from Dubli border camp entered into Bangladesh territory on the morning of March 21 and abducted three Bangladeshis namely, Sultan Hossain Dhabok (20), Bokul Hossain Dhabok (19) and Alamgir Hossain Dhabok (18) from the village of Choyghoriya of Boikari Union in Shatkhira.
The following day Sultan and Bokul were rescued after being tortured by the BSF. But the other person, Alamgir, is still missing.
http://www.newagebd.com/2009/jun/17/front.html
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Rise in killings on the frontiers with India
Raheed Ejaz
There has been a significant rise of killings of Bangladeshi people by the Indian border guards along the frontiers with the death of 52 people in first six months of 2009 despite repeated pledges of Indian authorities to curb such killings.
The death figure of Bangladeshi nationals in the border areas is almost double compared to the tally of corresponding period of last year when 30 people were killed, according to information available with human rights watchdog Odhikar.
Among those killed, some 37 people died in the first three months of 2009 while the figure was 3 and 10 in April and May respectively.
During a director general level meeting of the BDR and BSF held in Dhaka on August 20-24, 2008, the then chief of the Indian border guards Ashish Kumar Mitra had said they would show zero tolerance to border killings as they did not want anyone to be killed on the frontiers.
The human rights watchdogs statistics also revealed that apart from killing 52 Bangladeshi nationals in the border areas, the Indian BSF also injured and abducted some 65 Bangladeshis in recent months.
According to news agency reports, Indian BSF on Tuesday morning gunned downed Rabiul Islam, 30, of Barogram sadar upazila of Dinajpur district while he was working in the field along the border.
Quoting Fulbari 40 Rifles Battalion sources, the reports said that the BSF members of Doghati camp also injured another Bangladeshi citizen, Anwar, 28, of the same village.
In a recent report, Odhikar revealed that on April 23, Rabindranath Mandal, 45, and his wife Kalyani Rani Mandal, 38, from the village Bolabari under Ashashuni Upazila in Shatkhira, were arrested by BSF from Indias Ghojadanga Camp as they were returning to Shatkhira from India along Main Pillar No 4.
The report said that BSF officers beat Rabindranath to death and tortured and raped Kalyani and left their dead bodies near the Main Pillar Number 4 on the Shatkhira-Lokkhidari border.
The couple had gone to the Nadiya district in India for medical treatment six months ago.
Odhikar said that Indian border guards from Dubli border camp entered into Bangladesh territory on the morning of March 21 and abducted three Bangladeshis namely, Sultan Hossain Dhabok (20), Bokul Hossain Dhabok (19) and Alamgir Hossain Dhabok (18) from the village of Choyghoriya of Boikari Union in Shatkhira.
The following day Sultan and Bokul were rescued after being tortured by the BSF. But the other person, Alamgir, is still missing.
http://www.newagebd.com/2009/jun/17/front.html
BSF, indian killing force forcefully taken renowned photo journalist Shahidul Alam from Bangladesh side of the border to india and detained him for trumped up trespassing charges. Indian authority detained him until late night before releasing him.
But knowing it all well that BSF had forcefully detained Shahidul Alam, Indian Awami stooges used BDR to file another deceptive trespassing charge against him.
Instead of protesting despicable and unlawful indian act against Bangladeshi citizen, Indian stooge, Awami league govt is harassing its own citizen.
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Shahidul Alam released 6 hours after detention by BSF
Staff Correspondent
Internationally renowned Bangladeshi photojournalist Dr Shahidul Alam who was detained by the Indian border guards Tuesday afternoon when he was taking photographs in Bangladesh’s Roumari frontiers in Kurigram was released after six hours’ detention.
The commanding officer of the 6 Rifles Battalion, Lieutenant Colonel Mizan, told New Age at 11:30pm over telephone that his troops had just received Shahidul from the Indian border guards. Shahidul, however, could not be reached on his mobile till 11:35 although his phone was ringing.
Earlier in the evening, an official of the Indian high commission in Dhaka earlier confirmed the news of Shahidul’s detention.
The Bangladesh Rifles director general, Major General Mainul Islam, however, told New Age his office was not aware of any such incident in the border with India. ‘I am not aware of the incident.’
The New Age correspondent in Kurigram said the internationally renowned photographer along with two of his colleagues went there to take photographs.
‘As he was taking photographs within the Bangladesh territory, the Indian border guards of the 21 IPP at Shahpara on the other side called him at about 5:30pm and he went to them,’ said the correspondent. The Indian border guards then detained him at Shahpara.
Shahidul Alam studied and taught chemistry in London University before taking up photography.
He returned to his hometown Dhaka in 1984 where he photographed the democratic struggle to remove General Ershad.
Shahidul, the founder of the Drik Picture Library, Bangladesh Photographic Institute and Pathshala, the South Asian Institute of Photography, initiated the now famous international photography contest, Chobi Mela, in Bangladesh.
He is credited with a number of international awards including Mother Jones, Howard Chapnick and Andrea Frank awards in photography, judgeship in world-class competitions including World Press Photo and teaching in several universities home and abroad.
http://www.newagebd.com/2009/jun/17/front.html#8
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Photographer sued for alleged intrusion into Indian territories, court grants bail Shahidul Alam
UNB, Kurigram
A court here yesterday granted bail to renowned Bangladeshi photojournalist Dr Shahidul Alam in a case filed against him by BDR troops on charge of intruding into Indian territories during his photographic work.
Bangladesh Rifles Roumari company commander Daud Ali filed the case against him with Roumari Police Station in the morning following the allegation from the Indian Border Security Force (BSF).
Earlier on Tuesday evening, BSF troops detained him when he was taking photographs in Natunbandar area along Bangladesh's Roumari frontier.
Later, BSF Mainkarchar company commander inspector Meheta handed him over to Roumari BDR authorities at about 11:30pm.
Shahidul was produced before Kurigram Chief Judicial Magistrate court at about 2:30pm today. Magistrate Abdul Matin granted him bail following a bail petition filed by him.
Border sources said Shahidul, along with two other journalists and a local, went to Roumari border in the district Tuesday to work on one of his National Geographic projects based on river Brahmaputra.
"The BSF guards on duty had first asked Alam to go across the frontline and then detained him at Naunbandar on their side of the border at about 6:30pm," said his organization, Drik.
Dr Shahidul Alam is the founder of Drik and Chief Editor of DrikNEWS- an international news photo agency.
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But knowing it all well that BSF had forcefully detained Shahidul Alam, Indian Awami stooges used BDR to file another deceptive trespassing charge against him.
Instead of protesting despicable and unlawful indian act against Bangladeshi citizen, Indian stooge, Awami league govt is harassing its own citizen.
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Shahidul Alam released 6 hours after detention by BSF
Staff Correspondent
Internationally renowned Bangladeshi photojournalist Dr Shahidul Alam who was detained by the Indian border guards Tuesday afternoon when he was taking photographs in Bangladesh’s Roumari frontiers in Kurigram was released after six hours’ detention.
The commanding officer of the 6 Rifles Battalion, Lieutenant Colonel Mizan, told New Age at 11:30pm over telephone that his troops had just received Shahidul from the Indian border guards. Shahidul, however, could not be reached on his mobile till 11:35 although his phone was ringing.
Earlier in the evening, an official of the Indian high commission in Dhaka earlier confirmed the news of Shahidul’s detention.
The Bangladesh Rifles director general, Major General Mainul Islam, however, told New Age his office was not aware of any such incident in the border with India. ‘I am not aware of the incident.’
The New Age correspondent in Kurigram said the internationally renowned photographer along with two of his colleagues went there to take photographs.
‘As he was taking photographs within the Bangladesh territory, the Indian border guards of the 21 IPP at Shahpara on the other side called him at about 5:30pm and he went to them,’ said the correspondent. The Indian border guards then detained him at Shahpara.
Shahidul Alam studied and taught chemistry in London University before taking up photography.
He returned to his hometown Dhaka in 1984 where he photographed the democratic struggle to remove General Ershad.
Shahidul, the founder of the Drik Picture Library, Bangladesh Photographic Institute and Pathshala, the South Asian Institute of Photography, initiated the now famous international photography contest, Chobi Mela, in Bangladesh.
He is credited with a number of international awards including Mother Jones, Howard Chapnick and Andrea Frank awards in photography, judgeship in world-class competitions including World Press Photo and teaching in several universities home and abroad.
http://www.newagebd.com/2009/jun/17/front.html#8
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Photographer sued for alleged intrusion into Indian territories, court grants bail Shahidul Alam
UNB, Kurigram
A court here yesterday granted bail to renowned Bangladeshi photojournalist Dr Shahidul Alam in a case filed against him by BDR troops on charge of intruding into Indian territories during his photographic work.
Bangladesh Rifles Roumari company commander Daud Ali filed the case against him with Roumari Police Station in the morning following the allegation from the Indian Border Security Force (BSF).
Earlier on Tuesday evening, BSF troops detained him when he was taking photographs in Natunbandar area along Bangladesh's Roumari frontier.
Later, BSF Mainkarchar company commander inspector Meheta handed him over to Roumari BDR authorities at about 11:30pm.
Shahidul was produced before Kurigram Chief Judicial Magistrate court at about 2:30pm today. Magistrate Abdul Matin granted him bail following a bail petition filed by him.
Border sources said Shahidul, along with two other journalists and a local, went to Roumari border in the district Tuesday to work on one of his National Geographic projects based on river Brahmaputra.
"The BSF guards on duty had first asked Alam to go across the frontline and then detained him at Naunbandar on their side of the border at about 6:30pm," said his organization, Drik.
Dr Shahidul Alam is the founder of Drik and Chief Editor of DrikNEWS- an international news photo agency.
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Actually you should lodge a protest with the UN. This can very well be a RAW conspiracy. In fact RAW has already manipulated his blog.
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Evil Indian's .. Grrrrrrr.
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Who knows? Maybe RAW controls BDR too
Well when we have home grown Gaddar like so called general Moeen than perhaps bd army itself control by RAW and may be Bd it self isn't sovereign no more. I think Islamic world should abandon bd until Islamic people come out and take the matter on their own hand to clean up the country for these Ibn Munafiq.
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RAW has infiltrated every sector. Even some of those now campaigning against the Tipaimukh dam are in the pay of RAW.
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