Avoiding detection in aerial combat

[Ultima Thule]

There are thousands of satellites in general in different orbits. I have worked with a satellite company and the amount of satellites is really huge. There are satellites as small as 10cm by 10cm. Usually capability of a satellite is never openly disclosed. Vague terms like earth observation satellites is used.
In LEO orbits, there are no dead satellites. A satellite to remain in orbit requires gas boosters. Once the fuel runs out, it either falls into earth and burns in atmosphere or is tossed into unstable orbits n is lost in space. Dead satellites in any orbit cannot stay its course for long and eventually falls into earth or is slinged into space. All satellites have an expiry date and that is because of the limited fuel it can carry. Modern satellites are designed to safely fall into earth over Pacific ocean after expiry. This can be anything from one week to 10 years, depending on fuel it carries. The GPS network alone have around 45 satellites in low and medium earth orbits. It is designed in a way that atleast two satellites are always over head at any given location.

Mostly junk, USA and Russia were launching satellite since 1957 so space have mostly Space junk different stages of rockets failed satellites etc and only geostationary satellites may be drift away to space medium and low orbit satellites always burn through to atmosphere,higher satellites (medium orbit)satellites take more time. (Years to decades) to enter the atmosphere, and GPS HAS ONLY 24-30 SATELLITES NOT YOUR 45, and by the way may i ask you in which satellite company you worked with @T|/|T

Already spy satellites in geostationary orbits

Can you refer some of these launch/years/dates @T|/|T

 

[TNT]

Mostly junk, USA and Russia were launching satellite since 1957 so space have mostly Space junk different stages of rockets failed satellites etc and only geostationary satellites may be drift away to space medium and low orbit satellites always burn through to atmosphere,higher satellites (medium orbit)satellites take more time. (Years to decades) to enter the atmosphere, and GPS HAS ONLY 24-30 SATELLITES NOT YOUR 45, and by the way may i ask you in which satellite company you worked with @T|/|T


Can you refer some of these launch/years/dates @T|/|T

Ur saying exactly wat i said. Satellites fall to earth or tossed into space, depending on its orbit. Even LEO satellites ive seen tossed into space after getting into highly elliptical orbits. GPS minimum satellites required for global coverage is 24, based on its height. The higher the orbit of satellite, the longer it takes to complete a round trip. In order to cope with large requirements and pin point accuracy for military uses, satellites are deployed at varying heights and varying locations. If u add the supporting satellites, its more than 40. I have worked with SSTL which specializes in minature satellites. Usually small satellites are without any boosters to keep it constantly in orbit so their life is short. Depending on requirements, small satellites can be deployed into carefully calculated elliptical orbits or LEO orbits for specified time after which it falls into the atmosphere and burns.
Also i dont know such details about spy satellites, even if i knew i wont share it here. Everything that is going on in space is not made public. Think why so many satellites for "earth observation"? Also a single satellite can be for multiple purposes.

Mostly junk, USA and Russia were launching satellite since 1957 so space have mostly Space junk different stages of @T|/|T

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Yes there is also alot of space junk, which is going to create problems in future. Anti satellite missile tests have also contributed alot to it. Usually this junk is monitored as much as possible, to avoid collision with satellites.

 

[Signalian]

Once aircraft transmits then ofcourse its detected. Even passenger jet liners are connected to satellites for internet. My point is that it is possible to detect enemy or unconnected aircraft from space. A LEO satellite can be a couple of hundred KMs above and therefore can employ a range of techniques to detect an aircraft. These can include active radar on satellites, infra red detection, visual detection and energy detection (passive detection). This information from a variety of satellites, all connected to a powerful AI enabled central entity can detect an aircraft. I dont know if there is any work going on but the technology is there.

It’s a concept and not practical till now.

 

[Signalian]

From 100 km or more who cares.. the effect of its chaff will cover the advance of the attacking aircrafts.. and then another one.. and so on (This must be calculated in proportion to the duration of the chaff effect on the radar and the number of chaff tipped missiles to be lunched plus the distance to be covered) .. till the aircrafts are on top of the radar or close enough to destroy it..

Either the aircraft or missile itself or missile launch will get detected, defeats the purpose of avoiding detection in all cases.

 

[Signalian]

In LEO orbits, there are no dead satellites. A satellite to remain in orbit requires gas boosters..

Don’t give wrong information. There is lots of space debris and there are non FUNCTIONAL satellites in LEO orbits.

 

[Signalian]

Mostly junk, USA and Russia were launching satellite since 1957 so space have mostly Space junk different stages of rockets failed satellites etc and only geostationary satellites may be drift away to space medium and low orbit satellites always burn through to atmosphere,higher satellites (medium orbit)satellites take more time. (Years to decades) to enter the atmosphere, and GPS HAS ONLY 24-30 SATELLITES NOT YOUR 45, and by the way may i ask you in which satellite company you worked with @T|/|T


Can you refer some of these launch/years/dates @T|/|T

Stop getting fooled and do some research on your own. Google or Try NASA links. Go to research gate, make an account.

 

[Signalian]

Mostly junk, USA and Russia were launching satellite since 1957 so space have mostly Space junk different stages of rockets failed satellites etc and only geostationary satellites may be drift away to space medium and low orbit satellites always burn through to atmosphere,higher satellites (medium orbit)satellites take more time. (Years to decades) to enter the atmosphere, and GPS HAS ONLY 24-30 SATELLITES NOT YOUR 45, and by the way may i ask you in which satellite company you worked with @T|/|T


Can you refer some of these launch/years/dates @T|/|T

I meant don’t get fooled by others.

 

[The SC]

Either the aircraft or missile itself or missile launch will get detected, defeats the purpose of avoiding detection in all cases.

Detected at lunch of the missile..and then disappearing from the radar.. that is the purpose!.. We are talking about non-stealth aircrafts.. they will be detected by long range radars with a missile lunch or not..

 

[Ultima Thule]

Stop getting fooled and do some research on your own. Google or Try NASA links. Go to research gate, make an account.

OK sir

I meant don’t get fooled by others.

ok sir

 

[TNT]

Don’t give wrong information. There is lots of space debris and there are non FUNCTIONAL satellites in LEO orbits.

I never said there are no space junk, infact orbits are full of space junk and getting harder and harder to detect. Specifically the debris from anti satellite tests are a pain.
Now about non functional satellites. Having an orbit in LEO is becoming like a rare commodity, the slots allocated are getting filled. Even Pakistan recieved warning to place a satellite in orbit or loose its allocated spot. Many 3rd world countries even leased their spots to others. Non functional satellites do not remain in LEO for long, as compared to HEO and GEO satellites. Space junk is different than non functional satellites. Satellites have boosters to keep them in orbit and once fuel runs out, its a matter of time before its lost. I have worked in satellite company and we had 24/7 monitoring of satellite location and used boosters on daily basis to keep it in the slot. Its wrong to say LEO have many non functional satellites, the spot is vacated and new satellites are placed. Soon it will be difficult to get a spot in LEO.

 

[Goenitz]

I think timely firing air to air or air to ground missiles with flares filled warheads from let's say 100, then 80, then 60, 40 and 20 km with fighters in an in-line formation (one behind the other) will do the trick of avoiding detection against any air-defence system..

I used to think something like that but for a head on incoming missile, fired from aircraft. It was of cannon rounds containing flare/aluminium powder, with a timed fuse.

@Signalian
Can we use clustered or big payload of cruise missile fired upon an airbase? it will not only disturb radars but fine particle of Al powder can short circuit the radars, aircraft, etc ? somewhat like carbon loaded tomahawk?
Than I asked you before, if something like HAARP can be made.. as EMG waves also bounce back from ionosphere, so it can jam signals deep inside enemy...