AVIC Presents FC-31 Stealth Fighter model to Pakistan Air Force Chief.

[ACE OF THE AIR]

@Zarvan

How is this news being taken on Indian forums?

 

[Zarvan]

@Zarvan

How is this news being taken on Indian forums?

They are not talking about it yet I am also waiting for their response but in news papers Indians are way to angry

 

[Bratva]

What kind of sensor fusion?

What kind of sensor fusion?

One should take Gripen NG as a benchmark for whatever upgrades to occur in Block 3

 

[Arsalan]

Up until mid 80s, PAF had no policy whatsoever let alone on self-sufficiency. PAF woke up one day when our Ambassador (Mr. Karamat ullah Ghouri) in Beijing was told about no more free military hardware for Pakistan.

You have a piece of this news\ article? any link or material to read? Ambassador in Beijing was told about no more free military hard ware? told by whom?
Which incident in history are you exactly trying to refer to?

What kind of sensor fusion?

What kind of sensor fusion?

enhanced network centric capabilities with better communication and data sharing between planes and also with ground based assets and AWACS. Think about a group of three four JF-17 equipped with AESA radar, sharing data for better battlefield know how backed with information from long range AWACS and ground radars, think what numbers they can engage together working as a single unit, as a team. Or in ground attached mode, think about a group of JF-17 guided by ground forces and there own radars attacking enemy positions distributing targets among themselves, controlling and guiding UAV or being guided with reconnaissance drones. This concept will be a true force multiplier.

 

[Bratva]

You have a piece of this news\ article? any link or material to read? Ambassador in Beijing was told about no more free military hard ware? told by whom?
Which incident in history are you exactly trying to refer to?



enhanced network centric capabilities with better communication and data sharing between planes and also with ground based assets and AWACS. Think about a group of three four JF-17 equipped with AESA radar, sharing data for better battlefield know how backed with information from long range AWACS and ground radars, think what numbers they can engage together working as a single unit, as a team. Or in ground attached mode, think about a group of JF-17 guided by ground forces and there own radars attacking enemy positions distributing targets among themselves, controlling and guiding UAV or being guided with reconnaissance drones. This concept will be a true force multiplier.

And it would require high speed data communication equipments. Aircrafts would be handling encrypted voice and data in real time and high density electronic warfare environment. And as far as I know, Current systems installed in across the board fleet is good at communicating in the speeds of 1-3 MB/s. (Taking cue of PTCL broadband of 1-3 MB. Download and upload speeds would be 100-210-260 Kb/s downstream/ 50-70-90 Kb/s upstream) and you can guess how insufficient it would be in high threat environment


Possibilities are limitless for netcentric warfare. JF-17 could go in radio silent, Radar turned off, AWAC guiding JF-17 through highly encrypted datalinks. Initial element of surprise achieved

But same is true for adversary as well

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

Do tell what is gonna happen that suddenly your Defense budget will swell to north of 50 billion dollars

You have a problem in comprehending English ?
$50 billion per 5 year cycle is what is being said.

 

[SipahSalar]

Even the plastic model is more than a match for IAF.

 

[syedali73]

You have a piece of this news\ article? any link or material to read? Ambassador in Beijing was told about no more free military hard ware? told by whom?
Which incident in history are you exactly trying to refer to?

I read about this in the following book:

Awakened China Shakes the World and is now Pakistan's Mainstay: Memoirs of a Diplomat - Mohammed Yunus

I'll try to quote the exact words but I don't have the book with me right now.

 

[Zarvan]

I read about this in the following book:

Awakened China Shakes the World and is now Pakistan's Mainstay: Memoirs of a Diplomat - Mohammed Yunus

I'll try to quote the exact words but I don't have the book with my right now.

Don't trust Pakistani diplomats and their written books

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

They are not talking about it yet I am also waiting for their response but in news papers Indians are way to angry

Open a new thread on the INDIAN NEWS PAPERS....Lets see how it is taken on here.

 

[Arsalan]

And it would require high speed data communication equipments. Aircrafts would be handling encrypted voice and data in real time and high density electronic warfare environment. And as far as I know, Current systems installed in across the board fleet is good at communicating in the speeds of 1-3 MB/s. (Taking cue of PTCL broadband of 1-3 MB. Download and upload speeds would be 100-210-260 Kb/s downstream/ 50-70-90 Kb/s upstream) and you can guess how insufficient it would be in high threat environment


Possibilities are limitless for netcentric warfare. JF-17 could go in radio silent, Radar turned off, AWAC guiding JF-17 through highly encrypted datalinks. Initial element of surprise achieved

But same is true for adversary as well

same will be true for adversary as well, Always!! at least in our life time we will not get to that point where Pakistan develops some break through technology that no one else will have, if it ever does.
For now keeping pace with developments in the region will be the key factor and target and all this upgrade for JF-17 will mean, as you said, give endless possibilities and potential to JF-17

I read about this in the following book:

Awakened China Shakes the World and is now Pakistan's Mainstay: Memoirs of a Diplomat - Mohammed Yunus

I'll try to quote the exact words but I don't have the book with me right now.

Our ambassador in china being told by WHOM that there is no more free military hardware??? By the Chinese? Because if this is what this statement implies then sorry but it is wrong. But the way you wrote it, Ambassador in China, Being Told, No more Free Military hardware, it seems that it is the Chinese telling us this rather then who actually did.
I hope you can CLEAR it up a bit in simple words so others can also understand and do not take it the TOTALLY opposite way.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

And it would require high speed data communication equipments. Aircrafts would be handling encrypted voice and data in real time and high density electronic warfare environment. And as far as I know, Current systems installed in across the board fleet is good at communicating in the speeds of 1-3 MB/s. (Taking cue of PTCL broadband of 1-3 MB. Download and upload speeds would be 100-210-260 Kb/s downstream/ 50-70-90 Kb/s upstream) and you can guess how insufficient it would be in high threat environment


Possibilities are limitless for netcentric warfare. JF-17 could go in radio silent, Radar turned off, AWAC guiding JF-17 through highly encrypted datalinks. Initial element of surprise achieved

But same is true for adversary as well

For such system you require secure communication...It will not be possible til a few more satellites are not made by Pakistan and sent to Geostationary orbit. Pakistan is still able to use the Chinese for the time being but those have some limitations and are expensive too.

 

[Donatello]

I have simply stopped taking anything seriously even if it is coming from Air Chiefs' mouths. They mislead and give false hope to the nation. The fact is, PAF has no plans whatsoever, she never had. PAF has always done impulsive shopping and almost always in reaction to IAF and that is something I never agree with. With this mindset (it is no strategy) we play by the rules set by our enemy instead of forcing our enemy to play by the rules we set. Like we have been hearing the PAF is watching if and when IAF is going to induct Rafale... what did PAF learn from learning that IAF was inducting Rafale or not? Is this not the fact that almost every fighter including F-35 is on offer to IAF and she can very well afford those too? PAF has to make up her mind, whatever platform she choses, she has to begin assimilating them in numbers and soon. I have been hearing arguments that we do not want J-10bs because we'd like to see the similar tech in JF-17 Blk-III. Aerodynamically, two machines are totally different, in payload, also different. I just don't understand how JF-17 blk-III will prove a replacement of J-10b. Anyway, for me PAF is a lost case. We should just be happy with whatever we have and pray to Allah that PAF is not put to challenge otherwise results wont be much different than they were during Kargil conflict.

Not really. PAF has a come a long way since Kargil. Provision of land based and air launched cruise missiles makes sure that actual strikes by Aircraft are no longer needed in numbers as before.
I was and am a proponent of another medium weight fighter for PAF.....and that is why i was always stuck on the point that PAF get another 3-4 squadrons of either the M2Ks or J-10s. However, i guess they want to go for more F-16s, nothing wrong with that.
PAF will got the stealth route when time comes.....we don't have 5-10 billion USD lying around to buy weapons just like that. You can learn from the so called Mother of all BS drama in India....they realized the actual cost of the 126 jets and ammunition is easily going to touch 30 billion USD and they cannot afford that. It just doesn't make any sense.
Their T-50 is stuck as well.
So PAF will probably go directly to a stealth aircraft from China. Whether that will be J-31 or some other renamed fighter, we don't know. But it will happen in Due time.
And all out war is out of the question. Even if we attack first or they attack first, regardless of the firepower, it's the international sanctions that will kill you, not airforce. Need to tread a careful line there.

And it would require high speed data communication equipments. Aircrafts would be handling encrypted voice and data in real time and high density electronic warfare environment. And as far as I know, Current systems installed in across the board fleet is good at communicating in the speeds of 1-3 MB/s. (Taking cue of PTCL broadband of 1-3 MB. Download and upload speeds would be 100-210-260 Kb/s downstream/ 50-70-90 Kb/s upstream) and you can guess how insufficient it would be in high threat environment


Possibilities are limitless for netcentric warfare. JF-17 could go in radio silent, Radar turned off, AWAC guiding JF-17 through highly encrypted datalinks. Initial element of surprise achieved

But same is true for adversary as well

Voice and data doesn't really consume as much bandwidth as me streaming Youtube in HD on PTCL DSL.
Military communications are to the point and very rigid in structure. No fancy images and graphics are being exchanged.

 

[boke]

我同意一个观点：拥有强大的国防不是为了打仗，而是为了把可能发生的战争扼杀在思想萌芽状态。不管是巴基斯坦还是中国，拥有多么先进的战机也是为了保护本国的国家利益不受侵犯，并不需要和其它国家比强了多少，那没有意义。就中国来说，和巴基斯坦一道维护起新丝绸之路上的稳定是今后合作的重要内容!

 

[syedali73]

Orr ambassador in china being told by WHOM that there is no more free military hardware??? By the Chinese? Because if this is what this statement implies then sorry but it is wrong. But the way you wrote it, Ambassador in China, Being Told, No more Free Military hardware, it seems that it is the Chinese telling us this rather then who actually did.
I hope you can CLEAR it up a bit in simple words so others can also understand and do not take it the TOTALLY opposite way.

Excerpts (translation in Urdu) from this book have also been published in daily Ummat. I am pasting the article that specifically talks about that. I hope this will help.