Australian Strategic plans for top-five priority nations

[nufix]

You do let the asylum seekers freely get on boats and enter our waters, this is the problem lol.

No, those are considered as illegal by Indonesian govt. I mean, if we legally let them continue to Australia, I'd love to see your human right activists treat them as human too. Anyway, Australia main land is still free for 10 - 20 million more inhabitants, accepting 100.000 refugees won't hurt you right?

 

[xdrive]

I mean, if we legally let them continue to Australia, I'd love to see your human right activists treat them as human too.

You do let them continue to Australia and they are humanely treated. Legitimate asylum seekers are usually allowed to be settled in Australia.

I'm not seeing your point here. You obviously don't know much about the subject.

Anyway, Australia main land is still free for 10 - 20 million more inhabitants, accepting 100.000 refugees won't hurt you right?

Yes it will "hurt" us. You can't just all of a sudden dump 100,000 people on our land. We aren't a dumping ground, not mention the effects it would have on our infrastructure etc.

 

[nufix]

You do let them continue to Australia and they are humanely treated. Legitimate asylum seekers are usually allowed to be settled in Australia.

I'm not seeing your point here. You obviously don't know much about the subject.

You obviously don't know much about the situation of those refugees in Indonesia, what do you think your media bashing us for? If it is not Papua, it must be how we handle those refugees right? I do admit that some of Indonesians are smuggling them, but you can't say Indonesia is legally let them go to Australia, how many times do we have to shoot those refugees before you admit that Indonesia is officially not permitting them to enter your water space?

Yes it will "hurt" us. You can't just all of a sudden dump 100,000 people on our land. We aren't a dumping ground, not mention the effects it would have on our infrastructure etc.

Lol, then we can't just prevent them to go to Australia, Indonesia is already filled by 247 million inhabitants and we aren't accepting anymore random people. I understand, Australia is not a dumping ground, but you can't just give this responsibilities only to Indonesia, I hope your govt. agree to shoot them on sight, it doesn't hurt Indonesia, it will not hurt you.

 

[Kaniska]

You do let them continue to Australia and they are humanely treated. Legitimate asylum seekers are usually allowed to be settled in Australia.

I'm not seeing your point here. You obviously don't know much about the subject.



Yes it will "hurt" us. You can't just all of a sudden dump 100,000 people on our land. We aren't a dumping ground, not mention the effects it would have on our infrastructure etc.

I still donot understand why your GOV is allowing these people?? We the South Asian people get the habbit of exploiting developed nations and enter into their nation in the name of Asylum...Europle is classic example of it ..where people from South Asia migrated in a big way in the sake of asylum to different nations in europe and now they are creating lot of issue in European society....So Aussies...better be proactive otherwise your nation will be another play ground for religious war after 50 year....Why donot you guys just shoot them down in the sea??? If someone is a genuine asylum seeker, he will come through proper channel...rather than illegal way through a boat???

 

[jhungary]

Me and most Australians already know this. Labor won't be in government much longer so we don't need to worry.

Lol mate, i am an Australian (Although i was born in America) too and i been asking my friend not to vote for labor no more.

No, those are considered as illegal by Indonesian govt. I mean, if we legally let them continue to Australia, I'd love to see your human right activists treat them as human too. Anyway, Australia main land is still free for 10 - 20 million more inhabitants, accepting 100.000 refugees won't hurt you right?

The problem is not whether their status is illegal in Indonesia, but rather the Indonesian government have not done enough, not that we accuse anybody of any wrong doing, but they did let a lot of those people board your ship from indoesia and the fact that most people smuggler crew are Indonesian do not help....I mean how could Indonesian navy let those many boat left Indonesian shore while they were almost all intercepted by the Aussie Navy when they are near the Christmas Island.

The base line is, if they can be intercepted before Christmas Island, the indonesian government should be able to Intercept when they leave your shore.

I still donot understand why your GOV is allowing these people?? We the South Asian people get the habbit of exploiting developed nations and enter into their nation in the name of Asylum...Europle is classic example of it ..where people from South Asia migrated in a big way in the sake of asylum to different nations in europe and now they are creating lot of issue in European society....So Aussies...better be proactive otherwise your nation will be another play ground for religious war after 50 year....Why donot you guys just shoot them down in the sea??? If someone is a genuine asylum seeker, he will come through proper channel...rather than illegal way through a boat???

The problem is more complex than any country will know (basically you need to live in Oz to know hwere the tail ends and where the heads begin)

We Australian have an open door policy where people seeking asylum if they are intercepted within Australian Migration zone, they are allow to come to Australian shore. THen we will process them and if they are really legit aslyum seeker, we let them have protective visa and stay in Australia, if not they will be deported.

Most country have something like that but what make Australian situation is the ineptness of the Government to do what they need to do to get those people out, the issue have been debated and debated and have been extensively used as chips for both Federal Election in 2007 and 2011. The problem is with the current Australian Federal Government, the leading party of Austrlaia are in a power broker status with the Green party, while the green party have a policy of "Everybody's welcome and we need to treat you nice even if you enter our soil illegally"

With that and the onshore processing (A free temporary visa for all), Australia have been a Refugee hot spot in the last 2 decades. And everytime we have policy change, the refugee seems to be addaptive to it, the current method is for a asylum boat to travel from South Western Indonesia to Christmas Island (An Australian oversea territories where lie about 200 mile off Indonesian Coast) which lies within our Migration zone (Hence you are in Australia when you are in Christmas Island), thenthey call the Australia Custom and the Federal Police, then broke their boat so they take water and force the Australian navy to bring them to Chistmas Island, then you just wait for your visa from there.

The situation is a lot different than in America where the Coast Guard just turn those cuban boat around and if they are sinking the USCG will bring them back to Cuba tFlorida, we used to do that in Australia, not anymore.

And a lot of people do die from sinking boat over the year, we have 300 asylum seeker died in 2 boat just a short few months ago when they were sunk near Christmas Island and our Navy wasn't as quick as they throught to get to the scene. If you are lucky, you got picked up by the Australian Navy, if not, you died without anypeople know

 

[Developereo]

Even though Australian public is becoming more Asia focused, there is something to note about this particular paper.

It is from the Lowy Institute, which is an extreme right-wing think tank and very pro-US. If you look at the countries mentioned, it is clear this is about consolidating an anti-China alliance, backed by the US. There is the foolishly transparent ploy to include China in the list also, as if that's going to fool anybody.

 

[nufix]

The problem is not whether their status is illegal in Indonesia, but rather the Indonesian government have not done enough, not that we accuse anybody of any wrong doing, but they did let a lot of those people board your ship from indoesia and the fact that most people smuggler crew are Indonesian do not help....I mean how could Indonesian navy let those many boat left Indonesian shore while they were almost all intercepted by the Aussie Navy when they are near the Christmas Island.

The base line is, if they can be intercepted before Christmas Island, the indonesian government should be able to Intercept when they leave your shore.

That is the problem for you, here's the problem for us, Indonesian, say we do intercept them off shore before they enter Aussie held territories, what we should do with them? taking them into our territories? we aren't dumping ground. Shoot them on sight? we have done it several times and we have been accused for human right abuses too, that's why we recently let them go to Australian water space and let them be Aussie's problem. We haven't done enough for what? preventing them to go to Australia and keep them in Indonesia? They have created many problems here sir, and I am enough of that, keeping them in here is just endangering our country, anyway, they are heading for Australia and they shouldn't be our problem.

 

[jhungary]

That is the problem for you, here's the problem for us, Indonesian, say we do intercept them off shore before they enter Aussie held territories, what we should do with them? taking them into our territories? we aren't dumping ground. Shoot them on sight? we have done it several times and we have been accused for human right abuses too, that's why we recently let them go to Australian water space and let them be Aussie's problem. We haven't done enough for what? preventing them to go to Australia and keep them in Indonesia? They have created many problems here sir, and I am enough of that, keeping them in here is just endangering our country, anyway, they are heading for Australia and they shouldn't be our problem.

Dude, when you got those people, how you do to them is your problem, they cannot leave indonesia just to leave for a better country, it will be the same if we send Afghanistani your way, you will blame us for not doing enough. Everyone need only to defend of their water, how they got to Australia is not Australian Problem, unless you want Aussie Warship operate in your Sea border. Otherwise you need to and only you can stop those people, not us.

The fact is, if you don't have spare resource, don't sign the UNCEF convention, put them to jail, shoot them i don't care, but its just wrong if you say oh, the world will look bad on us if we try to arrest those people and then you do nothing to patrol your shore. By letting those ship through you are dumping the problem to Australia, we want to deal with it ourselve, if you let us roam in your territorial water. Is that what you want?

 

[nufix]

Dude, when you got those people, how you do to them is your problem, they cannot leave indonesia just to leave for a better country, it will be the same if we send Afghanistani your way, you will blame us for not doing enough. Everyone need only to defend of their water, how they got to Australia is not Australian Problem, unless you want Aussie Warship operate in your Sea border. Otherwise you need to and only you can stop those people, not us.

The fact is, if you don't have spare resource, don't sign the UNCEF convention, put them to jail, shoot them i don't care, but its just wrong if you say oh, the world will look bad on us if we try to arrest those people and then you do nothing to patrol your shore. By letting those ship through you are dumping the problem to Australia, we want to deal with it ourselve, if you let us roam in your territorial water. Is that what you want?

And that's the background story of "why we let them to go to Australia", by letting them to go to Australia, we are defending our security. Yes, I personally want your ships doing the patrol, shoot them, and put them into remote islands, as long as your ships stay inside your territory, getting onto Australian soil means getting through Australian water territory right? All you have to do is wait and shoot them whenever they enter your territory.

I am sorry if there any words out of my mouth that hurts you, but your countrymen are recently blaming us for the things that actually very hard to be done. We have to handle thousands of random people coming from every direction, our sealine is very long, but we are still trying to do that while at the same time, your medias are always telling us that we are not doing enough. That's why I personally want to see how Australia handle them by itself, see if the mighty Australian navy can guard its water space the way Indonesia did from boat people.

 

[jhungary]

And that's the background story of "why we let them to go to Australia", by letting them to go to Australia, we are defending our security. Yes, I personally want your ships doing the patrol, shoot them, and put them into remote islands, as long as your ships stay inside your territory, getting onto Australian soil means getting through Australian water territory right? All you have to do is wait and shoot them whenever they enter your territory.

I am sorry if there any words out of my mouth that hurts you, but your countrymen are recently blaming us for the things that actually very hard to be done. We have to handle thousands of random people coming from every direction, our sealine is very long, but we are still trying to do that while at the same time, your people are always telling us that we are not doing enough. That's why I personally want to see how Australia handle them by itself, see if the mighty Australian navy can guard its water space the way Indonesia did from boat people.

You still don't understand the situation..........

You should not let them come to Australia in the first place, you can turn them away or deport them (I am sure it's a crime in your country to leave your country without proper documentation right?) You guys could have done 100 million thing when you caught them, instead you guys has been using "The humun right" to send them straight thru your territorial water and onto the International Water, this alone is wrong. And by passing unseaworthy ship onto the International water, that's is another wrong doing too, you do know they don't use Ocean-going vessel in the leg from Indonesia to Australia, right? THey use Motorboat, Sampan and Fishing boat which are not to be operate in high sea. By letting them go you are sentencing some of the to death, and A lot of them actually died.

You can't say your coastline is long so you can't guard them all at once, compare to Austrlaia, which is the LARGEST ISLAND IN THE WORLD, your coast is not long compare to ours. We keep ours okay, so yours should be too

We capture about 95% of those boat which intented to go to Australia, there are not much that can pass our P-3 survey aircraft and our navy, so we are guarding our territorial water alright, the problem is you guys didn't do your job. If you let us roam your water, i bet the Aussie navy can do better than the INdonesian navy does, we have the exact spot where the Smuggler put people on their boat, we pass them to the Indonesian authority, the boat still come......

And the problem is not this anyway so i don't know why are we agruing, some guy in OP say Australia need Indonesia because Indonesia hepl stop people smuggler, which in your word, indonesia do nothing but them them steam toward us

 

[nufix]

All right I can accept your opinion, except the fact that Indonesian coast line is 54,176 km compared to Australia's 25,760 km and your claim that we are not doing our job. And please answer my buggy question, you seem very sure that you are doing your job well, despite the fact that 95% of boat people you captured is merely half of total boat people's fleet coming to your country before it got caught by Indonesian authority, why do you even need Indonesian navy to stop them when you are so sure that your navy alone can do better?

 

[xdrive]

I still donot understand why your GOV is allowing these people?? We the South Asian people get the habbit of exploiting developed nations and enter into their nation in the name of Asylum...Europle is classic example of it ..where people from South Asia migrated in a big way in the sake of asylum to different nations in europe and now they are creating lot of issue in European society....So Aussies...better be proactive otherwise your nation will be another play ground for religious war after 50 year....Why donot you guys just shoot them down in the sea??? If someone is a genuine asylum seeker, he will come through proper channel...rather than illegal way through a boat???

Because governments such as mine have become too politically correct and are scared of being called "racist" by not letting people in illegally.

why do you even need Indonesian navy to stop them when you are so sure that your navy alone can do better?

Because if our navy picks them up we are required by international law to allow them to stay in Australia despite most of them being bogus refugees.

 

[Icecreamcart]

The British should of sold Christmas island to the Dutch instead of handing it to Australia.

No Christmas island, no desperate people sneaking their way into Java and to Australia. The 400km trip makes it much more appealing to refugees and profitable to people smugglers.

 

[Jade]

Even though Australian public is becoming more Asia focused, there is something to note about this particular paper.

It is from the Lowy Institute, which is an extreme right-wing think tank and very pro-US. If you look at the countries mentioned, it is clear this is about consolidating an anti-China alliance, backed by the US. There is the foolishly transparent ploy to include China in the list also, as if that's going to fool anybody.

Now, you are looking more than it is required.

China, Japan, India, South Korea are the four largest economies in Asia. China and India are resource hungry while Australia is resource rich. Indonesia is Australia's neighbor while South Korea is a tech giant. If I were Australia, I would do the same. In fact most countries outside Asia have similar policies regarding Asia.

 

[jhungary]

All right I can accept your opinion, except the fact that Indonesian coast line is 54,176 km compared to Australia's 25,760 km and your claim that we are not doing our job. And please answer my buggy question, you seem very sure that you are doing your job well, despite the fact that 95% of boat people you captured is merely half of total boat people's fleet coming to your country before it got caught by Indonesian authority, why do you even need Indonesian navy to stop them when you are so sure that your navy alone can do better?

Sigh, my point are not getting through at all.........

Not that what our navy can do, but what your navy can do, my question is an Ironically Rhetoric, we cannot stop the boat coming off your coast, only your navy can. When the boat got into our water, we then need to pick them up instead of turning them away. The problem is there are nothing we can do in your country and you have to step up cracking down those people smuggler

Because governments such as mine have become too politically correct and are scared of being called "racist" by not letting people in illegally.



Because if our navy picks them up we are required by international law to allow them to stay in Australia despite most of them being bogus refugees.

Well, a free visa to live and stay and work in Australia even if you are bogus is a very good attracting point for risking your life to go to Australia.

And our government is too soft, and beware, Julia is surging back, although the Liberal still lead, it not by much now....

The British should of sold Christmas island to the Dutch instead of handing it to Australia.

No Christmas island, no desperate people sneaking their way into Java and to Australia. The 400km trip makes it much more appealing to refugees and profitable to people smugglers.

I think we paid the Singapore government to get the Christmas Island from them or the Brits are gonna gave them to The singaporean. Well, it's our land, and we should not just give up because of the boat people issue, we jjust need to go back to what Johnny Howard days, exclude Christmas Island from our Migration Zone, tuen those boat around. That's enough and that's will do

Now, you are looking more than it is required.

China, Japan, India, South Korea are the four largest economies in Asia. China and India are resource hungry while Australia is resource rich. Indonesia is Australia's neighbor while South Korea is a tech giant. If I were Australia, I would do the same. In fact most countries outside Asia have similar policies regarding Asia.

Australia will always be pro-American. They have been our partner since WW2. But the fact is we need to go more toward Asian Powerhouse if we don't want to get left behind, but on the same time, we need to maintain our tie to the US so we can balance our interest.