What about Russia? Sino-Soviet split was engineered by the West too, or do you think Russians are "Western dogs" too?
That might be a small point. But where is the evidence that the Sino-Soviet split was "engineered by the West"?
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What about Russia? Sino-Soviet split was engineered by the West too, or do you think Russians are "Western dogs" too?
What the h*ll is this over-the-top fake nativist 民粹 garbage? While I in way condone fanaticism that destroys cultural inheritances, but how about a little perspective? Or common sense?
Was Buddhism not an "import" to East Asia, Mr. president wannabe of Asian American Tea Party? Was the Vedic Hindusim of yore not a heavily "import-flavoured" brand originating from West Asia?
Not that I particularly want to debate these points here. But I will if you open up a thread.
You are on imbecilic grounds by calling the Christian faith a "colonialist religion" ...
Granted, I trash-talk as frequently as any here. But yours takes the cake.
i could ask, what is culture, and how do you distinguish someone who is "cultured" with someone who is "not" and even if someone has "culture", does that make a place have culture?
... and is there a logical relationship between foreignness and being cultured? if so, then new mexico is the most cultured place on earth since 90% of the population are "foreigners" to the host country.
Meh I think an argument can be made for a colonialist history of Abrahamic religions.
Given how Spanish missionaries played a key role in Pizzaro's conquest of the Inca and the impact of Christianity on native populations in Papua New Guinea. Also the effect on the social fabric in late 19th century China and the "rice christians"
And what's with the name calling? There are stupider things said here all the time, thought you'd used to it.
The point of your original post is taken. However, let's not go overboard. It's beyond a simple stretch to call the Imperial government "the fairest in the world over the past 1400 years".
Without being condescending, how well have you studied the "Imperial histories"? I have not studied it to the kind of detail that gives my confidence, and that's why I am asking.
No, my notion of warfare is not outdated. It is forward thinking, for many reasons.
Let's talk about the technological reasons. First, PAK FA. Russia will make 200 for itself and India, and 600 for export. You say that mass tank battles will not occur anymore due to air superiority. When stealth fighters become the norm and every third world nation can field 50 PAK FA's (a quarter of America's F-22 power) suddenly air superiority is difficult or impossible making tank warfare primary again. Without air superiority, tank killers like Apache and A-10 will find it difficult to operate. The same goes for any dedicated tank killer. Second, tanks will soon all have active protection against anti-tank missiles and RPGs in Shtora and Arena and similar systems. The power of an infanteer to destroy a tank with a Javelin or RPG-29 will be neutered. Third are datalinks and so-called network-centric warfare. Eventually tanks and aircraft may be unmanned removing part of the horror of war and encouraging brush fights to test technology.
Finally, the "political" reasons. I quote political because they are not really political as in based on fears of encirclement or superpowers, but resource wars. Oil, clean water and even airable land will be fought over. America tried and failed in Iraq, but that doesn't mean other nations won't when the problem becomes critical. War will become the way politicians distract citizens from serious internal problems, a way to unify the country. Now, in order to seize resources you must have land forces. You can't hold an oil pipeline with airplanes. So mass tank battles will happen. It is only a matter of time.
So my ideas are not "outdated" but perhaps early by 50 - 100 years. But whoever starts preparing for the eventual problems first will have a head start and more likely to be the victor. Nobody really knows when oil prices will skyrocket, or when certain environmental problems begin causing mass panics or deaths.
What the h*ll is this over-the-top fake nativist 民粹 garbage? While I in way condone fanaticism that destroys cultural inheritances, but how about a little perspective? Or common sense?
Was Buddhism not an "import" to East Asia, Mr. president wannabe of Asian American Tea Party? Was the Vedic Hindusim of yore not a heavily "import-flavoured" brand originating from West Asia?
Not that I particularly want to debate these points here. But I will if you open up a thread.
You are on imbecilic grounds by calling the Christian faith a "colonialist religion" ...
Granted, I trash-talk as frequently as any here. But yours takes the cake.
What is this? 800 Pak-FAs? Please don't tell me that you got the number off some Indian/Russian fanboy blog. Let us suppose that Russia, with the current military budget (less than 1/10th of the U.S.) budget, could somehow produce 10 times the number of stealth fighters as the United States, could "any third world nations" really afford the ridiculous number of stealth fighters that you've mentioned? 50 stealth fighters for North Korea or Myanmar? That will friggin bankrupt them! Even if they could some how afford these planes how the how are they going to maintain them if they can't even take care of MIG-21s???
Now let us suppose by some miracle the Russians made stealth fighters cheaper than the average MIG-21 and twice as easy to maintain. Do you seriously think that fighter technology will stand still after the 5th generation? Once the stealth fighters are on the "cheap" end of the scale the U.S., China, and Russia will have probably developed something that is a lot better. Let me take one step back one last time - let us, assume, for some strange reason, that fighter tech stops advancing after the 5th generation. What is going to stop China, Russia, the U.S. from hoarding huge numbers of stealth fighters in an effort to gain air superiority over one another?
The lack of logic is destroying my reasoning as well...
Ok. Now let us talk about your claim that your theory is in fact, "earlier by 50-100 years". Do you really think politics will stand still in that period of time? In 100 years Britain changed from a super power to America's lapdog and the archenemies France and Germany are now in the same economical confederation. You are also trying to argue that the thousands of Russian tanks constitute a bigger danger than the American F-22s, implying that the Russians are a bigger threat to China in the near future than the Americans.
Obviously you can't read. I said 200 each for Russia and India and 600 for export, not 800 for Russia. And this is not from some fanboy blog but the sourced wikipedia article to Sukhoi and Putin themselves reported by Reuters. The fanboys believe Russia will make 2000.
You assume that fighter technology isn't reaching a technological pinnacle and also assume there is something out there better than stealth that the US could produce. A good example is the billions blown on OICW and "next gen" rifles when AK-74 is good enough. Ever hear of diminishing returns? If stealth is a technological pinnacle the days of US air dominance are limited only to how long it takes the rest of the world to catch up.
Your entire case on Russia and China is based on emotions and current geopolitics, but when I mention other emotions and geopolitics you arbitrarily reject it. Meanwhile you blithely dismiss facts, that is the fact that ground forces and tanks are necessary to control territory and more dangerous than hundreds of Tomahawk missiles with frankly pathetic payload. London survived the blitz and so could Chinese. Of course you dismiss as "outdated" this and believe an air war is more of a threat. Basically you have a double standard -- you want me to accept your political analysis as dogma and truth, but when I mention political analysis with a conservative estimate you dismiss it.
Hopefully state planners in China are not as naive as you. It takes decades to prepare for certain types of war like the IJN's Manhan doctrine or German General Staff's blitzkreig. Following your advice, China will be caught with its pants down. In fact I don't know what your advice is other than "hope Russia plays nice."
If you don't think Russia will buy 800 PAK FA for itself then I don't know what you're laughing at. 80-100 million is not out of buy range for one squadron for even the poorest of countries, and just ten years ago top fighters cost 20 million so the price for stealth will definitely go down. Russia will not bankrupt itself by building 800 PAK FA first -- it will be show me the money and if you can't pay, too bad. And there will be a huge market since F-22 will never be exported. You seem to think it's like the cold war with the USSR giving away weapons but that isn't the case now.
Caseless ammo, airbursting munitions, guided rockets and even flachettes don't lower the lethality of AK-74 nor make it obsolete. That is the point of mentioning a technological pinnacle -- the USA can completely neuter the opposing airforce right now with near zero losses. If stealth proliferates that will no longer be the case and Western appetite for fighter pilots shot down is near zero.
Finally the Chinese expansion of navy and airforce is due to its interests (obviously) in Taiwan. But if you want to hope that Russia won't take advantage of a Taiwan reunification/invasion and in the name of "international peace" or "global security" or "democracy" or some such excuse and attack right when China is preoccupied with Taiwan, it is up to you. Personally I would not make such a bet.
Personally I would not make such a bet. Russians are traditional enemies of the Chinese and if you speak to an average Russian you will find out they hate multiculturalism, hate other races and especially hate asians more than whites.
hate other races and especially hate asians more than whites.
Racism in post-Soviet Russia appears mainly in the form of negative attitudes and actions towards people who are not considered ethnically Russian. Traditionally, this included antisemitism, as well as hostility towards various South Caucasian and Central Asian ethnicities.
I'm glad that we are at least getting some (albeit reluctant) consensus on some points.
True, the estimated cost of the PAK-FA is around 80 to 100 million USD. However do you know what the cost of the F-22 is? 150 million dollars. Yet the United States is forced to limit production to only 187 (about 160 something is produced as of today) despite having one of the highest budgets in the world. You have to remember that it is not just the production fee that matters. You also have astronomical maintenance fees associated with these planes. How much does it cost for the F-22 to stay up in the air for just one hour? $44,000. Billions will be spent just to train the pilots and keep the planes themselves combat ready. Stealth fighters are not luxury cars. You can't just buy one and stow them away in some garage and hope that it impress your neighbors!
The U.S. air force isn't invincible but it is pretty much the next best thing. The CVGBs aren't just there for show and the air force has gained great experience in the numerous air combats with nations equipped with Soviet weaponry. The 4th gen U.S. planes have engaged air targets over Libya, Iraq, and Bosnia and almost always came out on top (only air to air loss, I believe, was a F-18 shot down by a MIG-25 in Iraq). Can you say that the USAF (USNAF) are not serious threats to Chinese air security?
I never said that China should completely relax the guards against the Russians (there are troops stationed next to the Russian and even North Korean borders). However I think it is extremely unlikely for them to turn against China anytime soon. Let's say Russia picks up the Democratic flag (unlikely under Putin's watch) and backstabs China during her confrontation with Taiwan. China will be destroyed, but so will Russia. Do you think the U.S. will get offer the bear a nice set of dentures after all of her teeth gets knocked out? Only morons would do that! For all we know we may have U.S. troops on Russian soil hunting down every last nuclear device just to make sure that the bombs don't fall into the wrong hands in the aftermath of the collapse of the Russian Federation.
Chinese-Dragon said:It says that the most prevalent forms of racism in Russia are against Jewish people, South Caucasians and Central Asians.
Perhaps I am wrong about this. I have never lived in Russia so I do not know for certain.