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Australian military planners in Washington work on Syrian war plans - See more at: Boston_353-300×0 : sbbcnews.com

NEITHER Kevin Rudd nor Tony Abbott will talk of armed intervention in the Syrian crisis, but Australian officers are already working with US allies on a plan if one is needed. No such plans are being made in Canberra, but concerns are growing in the wake of chemical weapons claims and strong words from the Prime Minister.
Mr Rudd fears the situation has the potential to turn into a “major international crisis”. Asked on Channel 10′s The Project whether he supported Australian intervention in the country in the wake of reports up to 1300 were killed in a chemical massacre, the PM would not go that far, but left the door open. “The challenge now is to establish the absolute fact of whether the regime used those chemical weapons,” he said. “If they did then I believe we have a major international crisis on our hands.” Mr Rudd also reiterated Australia’s major alliance with the United States, where Australian military officers are working alongside the the US military in the Pentagon to help draw up war plans for an American-led intervention.

The news comes a day after it was alleged that government forces had attacked and killed up to 1300 civilians with chemical weapons in and around the capital Damascus. “Planning sessions involving Australians are under way to brief the administration on options,” a well-placed source said. While no specific plans are being considered as yet by the Australian Defence Force, senior officers in Canberra have demanded updated intelligence briefings on the situation. That material includes top-secret human intelligence summaries from Australian and allied spies in the field and hi-tech signals intelligence collected by satellites and other interception methods, including radio and phone traffic. It is aimed at verifying claims that the regime of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad had murdered civilians with chemical weapons. Unverified videos distributed by anti-regime activists apparently showed medics attending to suffocating children, and hospitals being overwhelmed.

Footage also showed dozens of people, including many children, laid out on the ground with some covered by white sheets. France has threatened the international community will use armed force against Syria if the chemical massacre is confirmed. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said if the United Nations Security Council was unable to make a move, “decisions will be taken in other ways”. “If this is proven, France’s position is that there must be a reaction,” Mr Fabius told French television network BFM. “There would have to be a reaction with force in Syria from the international community, but there is no question of sending troops on the ground.” UN chief Ban Ki-moon’s office said the Secretary-General was “shocked” by the reports and that talks had begun with President Bashar al-Assad’s government to gain access to the alleged attack sites. The most likely Australian military involvement would be in support of a United Nations monitoring force under a strict UN mandate, but the US could intervene without UN cover. Mr Rudd described the use of terror weapons as “repugnant” while Opposition Leader Tony Abbott urged caution until a full investigation was completed.

Mr Rudd hinted that if chemical weapons had been used against civilians then Australia could not ignore such a breach of international law and decent human behaviour. “No civilised country can stand idly by when there is the threat of chemical weapons being used … against civilians,” he said. “The use of weapons of mass destruction in any circumstances is intolerable and unacceptable in any civilised nation.” Mr Rudd did not elaborate on the options that Australia might pursue, but others noted that he was a very vocal supporter of the Libyan intervention without making a contribution. Mr Abbott said if the claims of chemical weapons attacks were true it would be “utterly reprehensible”. “And I’ve got to say, of a piece with the kind of horror we have come to expect from one of the worst regimes in the world,” he said. However, he warned that no one should underestimate the difficulty of intervening in the Middle East. A UN chemical weapons team arrived in Syria at the weekend to investigate three sites where chemical weapons were previously alleged to have been used. But they would need Syria’s approval to investigate the new allegations.

Russia reacted cautiously to the new claims, saying that it suspected provocation by rebels as UN weapons inspectors were about to begin their work. Head of the Strategic and Defence Studies Centre at the Australian National University, Hugh White, said the world had been wrestling with the question of a military intervention in Syria for two years. “The arguments for intervention were already high before this latest incident, but there are simply no effective means for intervention,” Professor White said. He said Mr Abbott was correct to be cautious but he warned that the US could intervene without United Nations support. “It really depends on what you want intervention to achieve,” he said. “If it is to destroy stockpiles of chemical weapons then that it very difficult to achieve. First you have to find them and then you have to be able to destroy them.” Professor White said calls for intervention in Syria were even muted in the US, where people had no appetite for another American war in the Middle East. Australan Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr described images coming out of Syria of children apparently affected by chemical weapons as “appalling”. Invoking President Obama, Mr Carr urged Syria’s supporters such as Iran, Russia and China to tell the Assad regime that chemical weapons were a “red line” that could not be crossed.
 
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I would like to see aussie in syria, plus the french.
 
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It's kind of misleading. It's just war planning scenario incase a coalition(which would include most nations) UN backed action is required. It's not a unilateral war plan.
 
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It's kind of misleading. It's just war planning scenario incase a coalition(which would include most nations) UN backed action is required. It's not a unilateral war plan.

UN backed action , like what happened in Libya ?
 
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There is and there never will be an UN back action. The Chinese and the Russians have said and will say NO.

Auss is always someone's lapdog, the Birts now the Yanks.

Us Canucks too, don't forget.
 
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UN backed action , like what happened in Libya ?

Yep exactly. The no fly zone and further action was initiated by a UN resolution.

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There is and there never will be an UN back action. The Chinese and the Russians have said and will say NO.

They are 2 countries out of 130+ countries. Majority rules. If the Majority of countries in the world pass a resolution, China and Russia will have to suck it up.

Hopefully there is an intervention. The civilized world can't sit by while thousands of people are killed by chemical weapon attacks.
 
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Yep exactly. The no fly zone and further action was initiated by a UN resolution.



They are 2 countries out of 130+ countries. Majority rules. If the Majority of countries in the world pass a resolution, China and Russia will have to suck it up.

Hopefully there is an intervention. The civilized world can't sit by while thousands of people are killed by chemical weapon attacks.

For real action to take place the UN resolution has to go through to UNSC or else it is just hogwash. The general assembly is only for shts and giggles.

UN backed action , like what happened in Libya ?

It will not happen, the Russians and Chinese were shocked with what happened in Libya. They thought a no fly zone would actually be just that and not air cover for the rebels.
 
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Idk. All UN military actions must be OK'ed by the Security Council. China and Russia are permanent members which have the veto power.
 
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Idk. All UN military actions must be OK'ed by the Security Council. China and Russia are permanent members which have the veto power.

Yeah, you are right. Most likely NATO would bypass UNSC but they probably would have done it by now if they were going to do so.
 
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Well, get ready soldier.

Hagel today said the setup is ready, waiting for the GO order.
 
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Well, get ready soldier.

Hagel today said the setup is ready, waiting for the GO order.

I'll be busy doing my own thing, more power to them. All I know is whats been going on in Syria has gone on long enough.
 
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I guess Russia and China aren't interested in stopping innocent civillians from being gassed by their own government.
 
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Yep exactly. The no fly zone and further action was initiated by a UN resolution.



They are 2 countries out of 130+ countries. Majority rules. If the Majority of countries in the world pass a resolution, China and Russia will have to suck it up.

Hopefully there is an intervention. The civilized world can't sit by while thousands of people are killed by chemical weapon attacks.

:lol: only a retarded hack like you would believe Assad would use chemical attacks when he is winning the war against terrorists and all the while UN inspectors are there.

I guess it's the white man's way to side with terrorists. It was the Yanks that created Al-Qaeda and now it's the west that's siding with terrorists using chemical weapons on innocent civilians to justify more imperial wars.

Thank god the western economies are collapsing into the scrap heap of history, we won't have to worry about the west.

I guess Russia and China aren't interested in stopping innocent civillians from being gassed by their own government.

We don't like siding with terrorists like the west.

I guess since most western regimes are terrorist states themselves, siding with Islamic terrorists is like siding with your own group of friends right?
 
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If you can't respond to a post without straight up swearing and insulting someone Lightningbolt, don't bother posting on this forum.

Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't mean you should open your responding post with insults.
 
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