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[jhungary]

_ You maybe right, Japanese did not export weapons for so long, they maybe lack experience for this section, but if Aussie turn another choice, it'll take more time with Type 216 or A-26 Sub class still on papers.
_ If Aussie was support for UN/International Laws, so it's good for ASEAN countries.

Type 216 is the "HOT" Choice to replace our Colin Class. But again, this is only a white paper stage. Everything from any country will still be considered. Especially the Swedish Gotland Class.

And as for our SCS stance, we remain neutral as our stance, we sue for internation abitration. That is the only stance we got.

You are such a naive person. You think, don´t think; assuming China can do, cannot do; so better you wait on the sideline.
Dude, if the cannon start to fire, then it is too late for everybody, including Australia and New Zealand. The SC sea will turn into a battlefield, in a worst case no any civil/commercial vessel can sail through.

How can you export your stuffs to Japan, China, Korea and others? Wake up!

Chill man, you forgot i am answering this as an Australian Point of View, not an American nor Swede (Well, sometime i forgot too...)

Aussie Navy is not as big as you think. If we are to light fire in SCS against the Chinese, the fire will be blown out in less than 3 days. We don't even have a destroyer to begin with. And we are an island nation. If this is not much of our business, we will not engage as if we can do anything with 16 frigates and 30 patrol boat.......

Don't forget we have 50,000 mile coast to defend too.

Basically, unless they shoot at our shipping, we will not do anything, nor will we be able to do anything.

We cannot expand our navy for something happen far far away in East Asia, our people will not like this.

I am not being naive, but being subjective. You don't live in Aus so you don't really know our situation.

If you are asking me as an American POV, i would say we send those mutherfuker Carrier and raze the Chinese. We can spare those resources.

As an Australian. We mind our own business, as the biggest island in the world, we do have a VERY VERY VERY Weak Navy to defend with.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Australia to focus on RI in regional engagement
The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | World | Fri, February 22 2013, 11:59 AM

Members of the Australian and Indonesian Navy during the second exercise of AUSINDO CORPAT 2011 (Australia-Indonesia Cordinated Patrol)

Indonesia is the center of Australia’s renewed focus on increasing regional engagement in Asia, an
official says.

Australian Secretary of Defense Dennis Richardson said that boosting engagement with the region was one of the themes of the defense white paper currently being drafted in Canberra.

“We will see a renewed focus in the region, and at the center of that is, of course, Indonesia,” he said in his Sarsono-Tambunan Memorial Lecture, titled “The Indonesia-Australia Defense Relationship in the Asian Century” on Wednesday.

The Australian government believes that there are a number of important developments taken under consideration for the renewal of their defence white paper. Among them is the drawdown of Australian troops in Afghanistan.

“The continuing shift in economic and strategic weight to Asia, the continued impact of the global financial crisis, and the US rebalance to the region,” were also significant factors, Richardson added.

Indonesian-Australian defense relations suffered a major setback in 1999 in regards to the East Timor (now Timor Leste) referendum crisis that marked the end of Indonesian annexation.

Richardson said he believed that it was in the best interest of Australia to work with Indonesia, considering its population of 240 million and relatively larger economy in terms of purchasing power parity.

“That will be an interesting psychological test for Australia because historically we have never lived in a neighborhood where we would have a neighbor with a bigger economy than ours. That will be an interesting psychological adjustment,” he added.

Australian last produced a defence white paper in 2009. Article 4.33 states that “although considered less likely, a weak, fragmented Indonesia beset by intractable communal problems, poverty and failing state institutions, would potentially be a source of threat to our own security and to Indonesia’s other neighbors”.

It goes on to say that “An authoritarian or overly nationalistic regime in Jakarta would also create strategic risks for its neighbors”.

It will be interesting to see whether the same strategic risks will be reflected in the new white paper, slated to be completed in the second quarter of 2013.

“We won’t always share the same perspectives. Indonesia rightly has its own traditions. You rightly have your own sense of the world. And you rightly have your own history which shape your perspectives. Likewise, we have ours,” Richardson said. (ASW)

Australia to focus on RI in regional engagement | The Jakarta Post

 

[Viet]

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If you are asking me as an American POV, i would say we send those mutherfuker Carrier and raze the Chinese. We can spare those resources.

LOL so many souls live in your heart. Be Swede, Ami, Aussie, Chinese or even a Viet. Actually in VN we don´t expect Aussie or others fighting for us, what we need is modern weapons and political backing. Autralia and New Zealand must support VN´s stance in the dispute and provide financial and other assistances.

Yeah...about the bold part: only America and Japan (unsure about Russia) have spine and power to challenge the increased assertive greedy Chinese.

 

[jhungary]

LOL so many souls live in your heart. Be Swede, Ami, Aussie, Chinese or even a Viet. Actually in VN we don´t expect Aussie or others fighting for us, what we need is modern weapons and political backing. Autralia and New Zealand must support VN´s stance in the dispute and provide financial and other assistances.

Yeah...about the bold part: only America and Japan (unsure about Russia) have spine and power to challenge the increased assertive greedy Chinese.

Aussie is a laid back kind of bloke. So when i have a child s/he will have American Hot blood, Aussie laid back attitude, swedish sensible and effective personality, Chinese culture and Vietnamese Hardworkingness. LOL

Anyway, as i said, we support a status quo situation, we will only go after whoever upset the balance in the area, beside, Aussie and Vietnamese are now in good ties with Financial Aid and military exchange and all. SO, as a normal Aussie bloke says "It's al' good, mate"

 

[Soryu]

LOL so many souls live in your heart. Be Swede, Ami, Aussie, Chinese or even a Viet. Actually in VN we don´t expect Aussie or others fighting for us, what we need is modern weapons and political backing. Autralia and New Zealand must support VN´s stance in the dispute and provide financial and other assistances.

Yeah...about the bold part: only America and Japan (unsure about Russia) have spine and power to challenge the increased assertive greedy Chinese.

Well, of course modern weapons and political backing is very good assistant, but I wish they will support more about economy and education, industry...etc. also like miliraty cooperation. It's will be great for us.

 

[Viet]

Aussie is a laid back kind of bloke. So when i have a child s/he will have American Hot blood, Aussie laid back attitude, swedish sensible and effective personality, Chinese culture and Vietnamese Hardworkingness. LOL

Your wish may come true. My wish for our VN army is a dozen modern Japan made destroyers and subs.

Anyway, as i said, we support a status quo situation, we will only go after whoever upset the balance in the area, beside, Aussie and Vietnamese are now in good ties with Financial Aid and military exchange and all. SO, as a normal Aussie bloke says "It's al' good, mate"

You served in the US army and were stationed in S. Korea and Japan, did you? I do hope the US is serious about its commitments to Asia/Pacific. The Chinese just wait for a chance to replace America in the region.

Australia is really a cool country, very nice place, open for all nationalities, I like especially Melbourne. Though, my wife dislikes Sydney, because there are too many Chinese living in the city, making Sydney to a Chinatown.

 

[jhungary]

Well, of course modern weapons and political backing is very good assistant, but I wish they will support more about economy and education, industry...etc. also like miliraty cooperation. It's will be great for us.

Aussie do invest in Vietnam Education and their finance, infact Vietnam is sees as one of the major Trading partner of AUS in asia region

http://trademinister.gov.au/speeche...au/speeches/2009/090725_austcham_vietnam.html

and again, the school i am attending have a connection in Vietnam, many of my fellow classmate are from Vietnam....

Your wish may come true. My wish for our VN army is a dozen modern Japan made destroyers and subs.

You served in the US army and were stationed in S. Korea and Japan, did you? I do hope the US is serious about its commitments to Asia/Pacific. The Chinese just wait for a chance to replace America in the region.

Australia is really a cool country, very nice place, open for all nationalities, I like especially Melbourne. Though, my wife dislikes Sydney, because there are too many Chinese living in the city, making Sydney to a Chinatown.

Most Chinese do not understand is, US is part of Asia. They can denial this but we have territories, not Base, in Asia.

We are not going to go away, Japanese know this the hard way, if Chinese think they can push US out. They will learn it the hard way too. We settle with a Co-existence with Chinese and Russia in Asian Region, but these goes both way, and if the Chinese don't think that, they WILL face the full american might

Sydney have more Korean than Chinese. my wife like Sydney a lot.....i don't know why

 

[xdrive]

I see the whole situation as Australia being caught with its pants down. The Australian navy was neglected for decades and then suddenly the government has gone "oh ****, the worlds changed, we better start modernizing" so we are playing catch up with new ships and little funding for new ships.

It will be well past 2020 by the time the Australian has enough modern ships.

 

[Viet]

I see the whole situation as Australia being caught with its pants down. The Australian navy was neglected for decades and then suddenly the government has gone "oh ****, the worlds changed, we better start modernizing" so we are playing catch up with new ships and little funding for new ships.

It will be well past 2020 by the time the Australian has enough modern ships.

I see so: Australia should end its self-isolation and acts more to promote peace and stability in the Asia/Pacific region.

You have power: giant landmass, abundant natural resources, rich country and great people. What lacks of is the political will. If you wait until your fleet is complete or you think the disputes of others do not concern you, then you are wrong.

Many Asian nations are on the verge of armed confrontation. That is a critical time, maybe the most dangerous moment since the end of WW II. Their fate, be well-being or disaster, will also affect your lives in Australia. You cannot affort just to sit and watch. You don´t need to send your warships to JN, CN or VN, just your diplomats. Think about it!

 

[Soryu]

@Viet: That is a critical time, maybe the most dangerous moment since the end of Cold-War

 

[Viet]

New Zealand navy to begin major deployment to Asia

English.news.cn 2013-02-23 09:20:12
Xinhua

frigate HMNZS Te Mana

WELLINGTON, Feb. 23 (Xinhua) -- Two New Zealand navy ships will set sail this week to launch a major international mission to Asia, the Royal New Zealand Navy announced Saturday.

Anzac-class frigate HMNZS Te Mana would leave Monday to visit ports in Australia, Singapore, Vietnam, China, South Korea and Japan, before returning to New Zealand in June, Maritime Component Commander, Commodore John Martin, said in a statement.

The deployment would cover a range of objectives and offer support to multiple government agencies, as well as intense training exercises and diplomatic and trade duties.

"Te Mana will be working intensively in one of the world's busiest sea lanes. Exercises such as this ensure our navy is ready to respond effectively to any situation which may impact our economic livelihood," said Martin.

"New Zealand relies on the sea to transport 99 percent of its imports and exports," he said.

"Ensuring New Zealand's ocean lifelines remain open and secure is the navy's number one priority, and maintaining strong working relationships with our partner navies is a vital component in achieving this."

tanker HMNZS Endeavour

Fleet replenishment tanker HMNZS Endeavour, leaving Sunday, would join the Te Mana for the first three weeks, training together in Australian waters and providing support to both Australia and New Zealand as the on-duty regional response tanker.

"Overseas deployments are a chance to reinforce New Zealand's interests abroad. The navy is not just working at sea, our presence in foreign ports lifts New Zealand's international profile, and helps protect our national interests," said Martin.

 

[xdrive]

I guess these pictures are semi related to the topic, but i thought they were pretty interesting. A before and after shot of Sydney Harbour from the same spot in 1872 and 2013. You can see how much the city has developed.

Sydney 1872

Sydney 2013

 

[jhungary]

Men refused bail over half-tonne of ice

A university student allegedly involved in an international drug syndicate that imported 585kg of ice into Australia has had his bail application refused in court.

Tony Ming Ly, 21, the alleged driver in the syndicate, appeared in Sydney's Central Local Court on Thursday charged over the import of $438 million worth of methamphetamine.
Police allege the IT student from the University of Western Sydney hired a van the day before he and two foreign nationals were arrested while attempting to transport the drugs from a Sydney storage facility.
Unknown to them, officers from an undercover operation had intercepted the drugs when they arrived to Sydney in a shipping container last week from southern China.
They replaced the illicit substance with a similar quantity of an inert substance.
In court, Ly's mother offered to put up the Canley Heights family home, worth $400,000, as surety.
But Magistrate Les Mabbutt said the prosecution had a strong case and denied him bail.
Police allege Ly was the driver of the hire van, which had a GPS inside that contained an address where officers seized 18 kilograms of iodine.
The court heard that iodine is commonly used in the manufacture of methamphetamine.
Ly's co-accused, Hong Kong national Cheung Tuen, 51, and Singaporean national Boon Cheng Leow, 32, did not apply for bail, which was formally refused.
All three men will have their matters heard before the same court on May 8.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/02/28/09/01/nsw-ice-seizure-breaks-records

A Vietmanese Australian, an Hong Kong Chinese and a Singaporean come together, the only common goal is drugs.

We need to recents these people as they bring the Asian Name down everywhere.

Congrat on the AFP for the drug bust. Worth 438 millions dollars....

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Australia Requests for More Super Hornets and Growlers
01 March 2013

Australia has requested a possible sale of 12 More Super Hornets and 12 Growlers (photo : Air Attack)

WASHINGTON – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress Feb. 27 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Australia for up to 12 F/A-18E/F Super Hornet aircraft and 12 EA-18G Growler aircraft and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $3.7 billion.

The Government of Australia has requested a possible sale of up to 12 F/A-18E/F Super Hornet aircraft, 12 EA-18G Growler aircraft, 54 F414-GE-402 engines(48 installed and 6 spares) 2 engine inlet devices, 35 AN/APG-79 Radar Systems, 70 AN/USQ-140 Multifunctional Informational Distribution System Low Volume Terminals (MIDS-LVT) or RT-1957(C)/USQ-190(V) Joint Tactical Radio Systems, 40 AN/ALQ-214 Integrated Countermeasures Systems, 24 AN/ALR-67(V)3 Electronic Warfare Countermeasures Receiving Sets, 72 LAU-127 Guided Missile Launchers, 15 M61A2 Vulcan Cannons, 32 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles or Night Vision Cueing Device System, 40 AN/APX-111 Combined Interrogator Transponders, 80 AN/ARC-210/RT-1990A(C)Communication Systems, 100 Digital Management Devices with KG-60’s, 36 Accurate Navigation Systems, 30 AN/AYK-29(V) Distributed Targeting Systems(DTS), 4 AN/PYQ-21 DTS Mission Planning Transit Cases, 24 AN/ASQ-228 Advance Targeting Forward Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) Pods, 40 AN/PYQ-10 Simple Key Loaders (SKL), 80 KIV-78 Mode 4/5 Module, 48COMSEC Management Workstations (CMWS), 24 AN/ALE-47 Electronic Warfare Countermeasures Systems, 80 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS), and 400 AN/ALE-55 Fiber Optic Towed Decoys. Also included are system integration and testing, tools and test equipment, support equipment, spare and repair parts, publications and technical documents, personnel training and training equipment, aircraft ferry and refueling support, U.S. Government and contractor technical assistance, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated cost is $3.7 billion.

Australia is an important ally in the Western Pacific that contributes significantly to ensuring peace and economic stability in the region. Australia’s efforts in peacekeeping and humanitarian operations have made a significant impact on regional political and economic stability and have served U.S. national security interests.

This proposed sale is consistent with those objectives and facilitates burden sharing with our allies.

The proposed sale will improve Australia’s capability in current and future coalition efforts. Australia will use the enhanced capability as a deterrent to regional threats and to strengthen its homeland defense. Australia will have no difficulty absorbing these additional aircraft into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The prime contractors will be The Boeing Corporation in St. Louis, Missouri; General Electric Aircraft Engines in Lynn, Massachusetts; Data Link Solutions in Chesterfield, Missouri; BAE Systems in Rockville, Maryland; Northrop Grumman Corporation in Falls Church, VA; Raytheon Corporation in Waltham, MA; and Visions Systems International in San Jose, California. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale may require the assignment of additional U.S. Government or contractor representatives to Australia.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.
This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

(DSCA)

 

[liontk]

@jhungary, add Canada to that after all we are part of 5 eyes nations